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| I support the use of "medical" marijuana. At one time that was something I did not have an opinion on;however, the segment on The Doctor's show, with the little girl who had constant seizures to the point that her parents not only signed a DNR ,but also found themselves praying for the Lord to take her totally changed my mind. This 4 year old beautiful child was bed-ridden, her seizures were so severe I can't even explain them (they showed videos) non of the traditional seizure medications did a thing to help her. Finally, a doctor suggested trying her on medical marijuana that was showing very promising results for seizures in children that had the syndrome that this little girl had. Two teaspoons a day made from the oil of marijuana plants that had been cultivated in a controlled setting to not have the THC (what makes people "high") in it brought the seizures to a complete STOP. The next thing they knew this child was running, playing swimming and was as healthy as any child. I do not support legalized recreational use but I would fight long and hard to get medical marijuana into the medicine cabinets of people who could be helped like this child was....it's a no-brainer and one would have to be without compassion not to feel the same way after seeing the suffering that medical marijuana can end and not support it. Medical marijuana is a strong and effective homeopathic medicine, period.
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Location: Midwest | Ok, I will add my thoughts in bold.
"It simply astounds me the number of people who support legalization of marijuana. I don't intend to start an argument with this; in fact, I will not only refuse to participate in one, I will unfriend you if you start one.
Already been discussed on this thread, but why put your thoughts out there if you don't want to "argue".... that's like slapping someone but saying they shouldn't retaliate. lol
If you plan to start one, go ahead and unfriend me now. I know all of the "logical" and "compassionate" reasons why the pro-legalization platform wants it legalized. But I'm going to share one reason with you that no one talks about: enslavement. For the first time in America, a nationwide poll indicates a majority supports legalization for medical reasons. But the problem is the medical reasons are so many and insignificant that it may as well be legalized for recreational use.
I'm not sold on the statement that its effects are insignificant. Appetite stimulation and pain relief, as well as relief from anxiety are hardly insignificant. Especially when other drugs are NOT working to accomplish this, or perhaps this relieves side effects for people with little side effects of its own. To the person that is sick, they get a little relief.. and that's basically priceless
The outcome will be the same: Marijuana users will never be able to hold federal jobs.
I think that if the substance is legal, better testing will be developed to determine whether or not a person is currently under the influence.... not just whether someone has used this in the past xxx days. (that is, once it is federally legal in addition to the state). Alcohol has an ability to inebriate, but you are still allowed to drink it when you are "off the clock".
What? You say you don't want one? Wait until drug tests are required for you to vote.
^^ Won't happen... they can't even get it passed that you need ID to vote
Or a prescription automatically puts you on a list of people disqualified from driving, piloting an aircraft, owning a firearm, or adopting children.
As far as I know, this doesn't happen now with other "controlled substances"... you just can't be taking certain things or have then in your system while driving
You don't want to do any of those things? You'll end up failing the competency tests for jobs in healthcare, law enforcement, military service, and *food service*. That's right, you won't be able to work at McDonald's or Wendy's or Taco Bell because you'll be a danger to others. Wait ten years after legalization and enough people will have demonstrated enough incompetence as a result of excessive use that a new class of people dependent on the state will have been created.
Conjecture. Are we supporting a class of invalids from other, legal substance abuse?
And when the marijuana no longer provides the same relief that it once did, which is guaranteed for everyone except the terminally ill,
OK, I would like to see some research supporting this statement. Why is a terminally ill (which is not a specific description of a health problem) going to respond differently than a healthy person to this drug, biologically?
then that group of people will turn to stronger drugs.
Sorry, but I don't buy this. Does alcohol lead to "stronger drugs"? Maybe for some, but not the majority.
Welcome to a brave new world. And thank you, unthinking licentious people, for ushering it in for the rest of us. Because we'll all be stuck with caring for you.
Highly doubt that.
Also, I have never smoked weed. I also find it a bit demeaning that said person thinks because something is legal, that everyone will become a slave to the substance. Are we all alcholics? Addicted to perscription pills?
I have known plenty of pot smokers in my lifetime. They were certainly not "inhibited" by occasional use of the drug, overall. Personally, I have seen worse health and life damage done by alcohol and tobacco over time than weed. If someone could show me how weed is worse for your health, or more addictive than these LEGAL susbtances, I might change my mind.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I can explain the terminally ill comment. If you die before the effects of the drug lessen to the point of being ineffective, it's not an issue. I'm not so sure that a legitimate medical need would become immune but I don't know enough to say that with confidence. |
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| I've got an idea that would go right along with the ideas of the OP. When you go to the hospital to have major surgery, let's make it illegal to send patients home with pain meds. It's obvious that some of these people are going to end up enslaved to an addiciton to the pain medication. In this computerized world we live in it'll be easy for potential employers to see that you had surgery thus pain meds and assume that you would be a bad employee because you may of gotten addicted to those pain meds that came with surgery.....ummm, need to nip that in bud right now! Pain meds for a bad back....addict! Don't want anyone operating macihinery that might have an addiciton.
Yes, some people get addicted to pain meds but most don't. Again, I'm all for medical marijuana for the right reasons but do not support recreational legalization. The way the OP thinks one might wonder what they were on when they came up with all these compelling arguments that make absolutely no sense! |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | SKM - 2014-01-07 6:32 PM Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-07 4:36 PM I don't believe this will remove any criminal element. In CO the overall tax rate on it will be about 29%. I doubt very many are going to choose to pay that over what they were paying before from their regular suppliers. No it won't because they are now working on passing legislation that will allow people to grow 5 plants in their home for personal use. That blows the taxing out of the water.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | runs4fun - 2014-01-08 10:02 AM I've got an idea that would go right along with the ideas of the OP. When you go to the hospital to have major surgery, let's make it illegal to send patients home with pain meds. It's obvious that some of these people are going to end up enslaved to an addiciton to the pain medication. In this computerized world we live in it'll be easy for potential employers to see that you had surgery thus pain meds and assume that you would be a bad employee because you may of gotten addicted to those pain meds that came with surgery.....ummm, need to nip that in bud right now! Pain meds for a bad back....addict! Don't want anyone operating macihinery that might have an addiciton.
Yes, some people get addicted to pain meds but most don't. Again, I'm all for medical marijuana for the right reasons but do not support recreational legalization. The way the OP thinks one might wonder what they were on when they came up with all these compelling arguments that make absolutely no sense!
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Location: Midwest | Three 4 Luck - 2014-01-08 9:59 AM I can explain the terminally ill comment. If you die before the effects of the drug lessen to the point of being ineffective, it's not an issue. I'm not so sure that a legitimate medical need would become immune but I don't know enough to say that with confidence.
As far as I know, the people that smoke don't need a constantly stronger and stronger weed to get high
It's not like coke or heroin, where you are constantly trying to recapture that "high", of course I am not a user of it, so I could be wrong.
I was reading this study and it seems that especially in the western world, addiction and tolerance are more a mental response than physical. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/828472 |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | Itsme - 2014-01-07 5:48 PM Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-07 5:36 PM I don't believe this will remove any criminal element. In CO the overall tax rate on it will be about 29%. I doubt very many are going to choose to pay that over what they were paying before from their regular suppliers. This has already been done. What do you think people said in the 20s? Once production picks up and the prices start to drop no one will want to buy from an illegal supplier with questionable products. Do we the people of this great country want personal freedoms and responsibilities or are we just going to throw them all down the drain in the name of big govt?
Baloney. They've found suppliers they like and will continue to buy there and grow their own. |
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-08 10:32 AM
Itsme - 2014-01-07 5:48 PM Tilt The Kilt - 2014-01-07 5:36 PM I don't believe this will remove any criminal element. In CO the overall tax rate on it will be about 29%. I doubt very many are going to choose to pay that over what they were paying before from their regular suppliers. This has already been done. What do you think people said in the 20s? Once production picks up and the prices start to drop no one will want to buy from an illegal supplier with questionable products. Do we the people of this great country want personal freedoms and responsibilities or are we just going to throw them all down the drain in the name of big govt?
Its (can be) legal to grow your own...I find it amazing how many people are for more taxes. ENOUGH AMERICA!!! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's how I see this whole issue/debate. We have states in which it is now legal to smoke pot for recreational in addition to medical use. This is the beauty of state soverignty. Now we have an entire state like Colorado that can serve as a huge laboratory where most of these questions and concerns will be addressed and answered. No more conjecture. No more speculation. Instead we have an evolving treasure trove of data.....hundreds of thousands. We can look at:
Traffic accidents/fatalities
Violent crimes
Incidence of addiction to other chemicals - alcohol, coke, heroin, meth, prescription narcotics.
Unemployment trends
Divorce rates
Cancer rates - ie: lung, et al
School performance/literacy
Economic impact
That's just to name a few. The lab is up and running! In 5 years we will know a lot. In 10 years we will know even more. Once we know data, other states can decide what they want. |
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| honestly ... let it be a free Country .. if people want to really smoke the stuff and pay the high taxes on it . let them .. maybe I wont have to pay as much for the truly lazy people. ...I see more people killing them selves over eating than I do seeing people kill them selves over cigarette smoke...so now lets ban food. I do not smoke pot.. never have liked the stuff.. I don't even really drink.... I have babies so I know in the morning I want to be a good mom and drinking the night before I just cant be that mom the next day. My mother on the other hand lives in a 4,000 sqft home and is the accountant and bis. director of a prominent company and smokes pot relatively regularly on her 6 figure salary. openly? heck no!! I didn't even find out till I was 20!! my husband is also a police officer if they legalized it he would feel the same eh there are worse things. I think a lot of people would be shocked with the amount of prominent, respected, hard working, loving people that partake in smoking bud. paha. |
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Location: southeast Texas | runs4fun - 2014-01-08 10:02 AM I've got an idea that would go right along with the ideas of the OP. When you go to the hospital to have major surgery, let's make it illegal to send patients home with pain meds. It's obvious that some of these people are going to end up enslaved to an addiciton to the pain medication. In this computerized world we live in it'll be easy for potential employers to see that you had surgery thus pain meds and assume that you would be a bad employee because you may of gotten addicted to those pain meds that came with surgery.....ummm, need to nip that in bud right now! Pain meds for a bad back....addict! Don't want anyone operating macihinery that might have an addiciton.
Yes, some people get addicted to pain meds but most don't. Again, I'm all for medical marijuana for the right reasons but do not support recreational legalization. The way the OP thinks one might wonder what they were on when they came up with all these compelling arguments that make absolutely no sense!
Where I work, you are not allowed on the property, if you are on pain meds and other legal substances they have deamed unsafe in working conditions. ( did you know walking is working?) on some meds there is a window of six to eight hours you can take and be ok to come to work.
Drinking, yes it's legal. And they have pulled people in to do breathalyzer test. And or pee test.
You get in an accident, at work. First thing they do is test for drugs. They test for drugs, just because.
So, Mary Jane stays in your system for how long? Admitted pot smokers at work, will not smoke cause they value their job.
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| roxieannie - 2014-01-08 12:47 PM runs4fun - 2014-01-08 10:02 AM I've got an idea that would go right along with the ideas of the OP. When you go to the hospital to have major surgery, let's make it illegal to send patients home with pain meds. It's obvious that some of these people are going to end up enslaved to an addiciton to the pain medication. In this computerized world we live in it'll be easy for potential employers to see that you had surgery thus pain meds and assume that you would be a bad employee because you may of gotten addicted to those pain meds that came with surgery.....ummm, need to nip that in bud right now! Pain meds for a bad back....addict! Don't want anyone operating macihinery that might have an addiciton.
Yes, some people get addicted to pain meds but most don't. Again, I'm all for medical marijuana for the right reasons but do not support recreational legalization. The way the OP thinks one might wonder what they were on when they came up with all these compelling arguments that make absolutely no sense! Where I work, you are not allowed on the property, if you are on pain meds and other legal substances they have deamed unsafe in working conditions. ( did you know walking is working?) on some meds there is a window of six to eight hours you can take and be ok to come to work.
Drinking, yes it's legal. And they have pulled people in to do breathalyzer test. And or pee test.
You get in an accident, at work. First thing they do is test for drugs. They test for drugs, just because.
So, Mary Jane stays in your system for how long? Admitted pot smokers at work, will not smoke cause they value their job.
But that is not an argument to outlaw pain meds for those that need them is it? Or is it your point that it is? |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | People in WA and CO will be the healtiest people in the country! Jajajajajajajajajajaja
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | It just seems to me that a company would want to package the Marajuana into an edible treatment because the smoke from inhaling seems to over shadow the benefits. marijuana lung cancer in the future. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-01-08 12:45 PM
People in WA and CO will be the healtiest people in the country! Jajajajajajajajajajaja
I think Colo people already are or at the very top anyways. |
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Location: Augusta, KS | Loose leaf vaporizers are the new "thing" for pot smokers to protect their lungs. Almost no smell, no smoke. Unscrew the end, insert your pot into a littler holder thingy, turn it on and let it heat up for 30 seconds, and wa-lah. Essentially the same as the e-cigs.
www.ploom.com/pax
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Location: southeast Texas | In this computerized world we live in it'll be easy for potential employers to see that you had surgery thus pain meds and assume that you would be a bad employee because you may of gotten addicted to those pain meds that came with surgery.....ummm, need to nip that in bud right now! Pain meds for a bad back....addict! Don't want anyone operating macihinery that might have An adiction.
But that is not an argument to outlaw pain meds for those that need them is it? Or is it your point that it is?
Just following your statement about employers and operating machinery.
Every drug has its place. There will be those that abuse and others that use for its intended purposes.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think we're getting ahead of ourselves now. Like I was saying, we should have most of these questions answered within 5-10 years. I don't want to use pot because I like being sober, however I can see where the option of pot could be enticing. I think if our government continues to plunge us deeper into debt and things start to collapse, a lot of us will be lining up for our doobies. I'm of the belief that most of our congressmen and senators could just as well be stoned anyway. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | My over 30 yr old son is my business partner & every once in awhile one of us will say, "Jeez...we should take up weed". Life could be much less stressful if you could forget wahtever it was you thinking...lol.
It's just a joke between us!!!
I find it hard to believe that there's people out there that will try it now that it's legal!
I will point out something some of my family members who work in the prisons say...that most criminals will now go onto harder illegal drugs becasue they are just contrary...? I have no clue if that's a real concern... |
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