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| Because some people find it difficult to move past old stigmas. No one used to want to ride a palomino because they were "only good for parades because they are pretty." Or this one I heard from a very prominent Futurity trainer a long time ago "if you can't ride a good one, might as well ride a buckskin". Clearly times have changed. Paints have historically been thought of as being pretty but not as fast as the QH. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | moeman17 - 2014-01-19 11:47 PM Lee campbell out of oklahoma
Yes, ma'am! We know the horse and the people! Anyone remember JL Treasured Smash? Same people! Great people and care givers. |
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Location: N Texas | Just Plain Lucky - 2014-01-20 12:27 AM Well, for starters, they can't run. They're either crazy or have bad attitudes. Hmm....lets see, what else? Oh, right, they're ugly (solid horses FTW!).
*SARCASM**THATWASAJOKE**NOTREAL**MYOPINIONISTHEEXACTOPPOSITE**
I know you meant that as a joke, but back when I first got started riding competitively, I was told by numerous people that paints and apps are not desirable speed horses because they're slow. However, I've seen plenty that disproved that, so I think a lot of people don't realize how far the colored horses have come, as far as being competitive with QH's. |
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Location: Feeding those that need me | luvmyphoenix - 2014-01-19 7:15 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-19 7:03 PM luvmyphoenix - 2014-01-19 5:22 PM I have to disagree with your post. Barrel and Race bred, full registry APHA horses bring every bit as much a horse of similar blood. If you go to the Heritage Sale with a World Champion producing dam of popular QH bloodlines, she will bring most likely over $80,000+, compare her to a World Champion paint of equally popular paint bloodlines and I have seen them go for uner $5K. I think the most expensive one I have seen sell was $20K. We are talking bred back, relatively same age, whatever. I love paints, and a good one will still bring decent money in the barrel world, but APHA doesn't have as many breed shows nor the incentives to breed paints.Â
I still don't agree with you about the APHA/AQHA pricing tho. Â I know there are exceptions to every rule, but APHA horses are popular when we bred and built right and do fetch the money.Â
They do. We just launched it last year and it is taking off like wildfire. Check it out on their website. It's called PBRIP. Anyone can apply to have any race deemed eligible. There will be side pots at all the big shows this year and any little shows that someone applys for eligibility. I believe Melanie is in Arizona right now running the PBRIP table. There is a lot of money to be had running a paint horse! |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-19 6:23 PM luvmyphoenix - 2014-01-20 5:22 PM I have to disagree with your post. Barrel and Race bred, full registry APHA horses bring every bit as much a horse of similar blood. Ditto. If they are a trained performance horse, sometimes people will pay more for their color.
I love paints, but the reason I quit breeding them was because they were not worth what an AQHA of similar caliber and breeding was. I had own daughters of Treasured, Judys Lineage, Texas Hero, ect. My JL daughter was a stakes producer. They were't junky spotted mares but good, colored, proven producing and proven running stock.
I'm not knocking them~ because I love them, but can't afford to raise them because they aren't worth much. I've sat through many sales too, and the best bred paints don't bring much more than the mediocre bred Quarter Horses will.
I had a paint daughter of A Streak Of Fling for sale this fall, and while she did sell, I only had her priced at half of what an AQHA prospect her caliber would have been and still had people balk at her because she was a paint.
I had a daughter of A Sharper Image that had won and placed at several futurities her 5 year old year. She made the short round at the WPRA World Finals Futurity and she placed in 2 go's and the average of the Badlands Circuit Finals rodeo. She was finished, solid, and easy to ride. I had several people that wanted to buy her and ended up selling her for as much as I would have gotten for an AQHA..............but only because she was finished, proven, and winning!
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Location: North Dakota | I know that may not be the case but I personally noticed that paints were cheaper when I was shopping last year. |
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| We got my solid paint mare and a nice POA mare in a trade for a $3,500 AQHA stupid gelding. The paint is now a 2D barrel horse and a super nice showmanship mare. We got a really good deal because she was a solid paint (built like a truck too!) |
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Location: WYOMING | I have a B/W extremely broke nice 3 yr old daughter of Perks Alive. Saw someone looking for a FF prospect around her price range so I txted them about her. Their response was "thats close to budget but we wouldnt pay that for a paint anyway"... 
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Location: Wearing a winter coat...... | I was told by many a race track trainers that they don't have the races out there like the quarter horses do. They money isn't the same and owners with nice mares aren't willing to risk breeding their black type mare and getting less. Years ago when the AQHA wouldn't do Embryo transfers and paints did, there were quite a few TOP mares bred to paints. I had a mare that was full bother to this gelding http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=TEXAS+... and she was bought at Heritage place for 3,500. Her dam sold there for 20-30,000 at the same sale. Her AQHA foals brought a ton too. The race track guys just aren't willing to race paints for so much less money. |
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Location: Arizona | Reading threw these posts confuse me. A Paint is a COLOR not a BREED......
Just like Palominos....a color not a breed....
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Location: PNW | LIVE2RUN - 2014-01-20 11:32 AM
Reading threw these posts confuse me. A Paint is a COLOR not a BREED......
Just like Palominos....a color not a breed....
False... The American Paint Horse IS A BREED. Palomino is a color, buckskin is a color, dun is a color, brown is a color. Paint is a breed.
A breed is any group of animals with a homogenous, regular phenotype/genotype. If you breed two paints, you are going to get a paint (exceptions for the crop out/plain marked) - if you breed two palominos, you might get one, you might not.
There are crop out QHs also that have "excessive white" - there are the oddballs in every group - but I assure you, the APH is most definitely its own specific breed.
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Location: Kansas | Â I like paints, but I'm a flashy paint kinda gal. I don't think it's just paints.......look at apps, I've seen speed bred appaloosa go for dirt cheap because nobody wants to ride one. I personally like appaloosa as well |
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Location: Oklahoma | svincent - 2014-01-20 11:41 AM LIVE2RUN - 2014-01-20 11:32 AM Reading threw these posts confuse me. A Paint is a COLOR not a BREED...... Just like Palominos....a color not a breed.... False... The American Paint Horse IS A BREED. Palomino is a color, buckskin is a color, dun is a color, brown is a color. Paint is a breed. A breed is any group of animals with a homogenous, regular phenotype/genotype. If you breed two paints, you are going to get a paint (exceptions for the crop out/plain marked ) - if you breed two palominos, you might get one, you might not. There are crop out QHs also that have "excessive white" - there are the oddballs in every group - but I assure you, the APH is most definitely its own specific breed.
Correct, Paint is a breed. Not a color. |
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Location: Texas | Runnin < C > - 2014-01-20 11:53 AM
svincent - 2014-01-20 11:41 AM LIVE2RUN - 2014-01-20 11:32 AM Reading threw these posts confuse me. A Paint is a COLOR not a BREED...... Just like Palominos....a color not a breed.... False... The American Paint Horse IS A BREED. Palomino is a color, buckskin is a color, dun is a color, brown is a color. Paint is a breed. A breed is any group of animals with a homogenous, regular phenotype/genotype. If you breed two paints, you are going to get a paint (exceptions for the crop out/plain marked ) - if you breed two palominos, you might get one, you might not. There are crop out QHs also that have "excessive white" - there are the oddballs in every group - but I assure you, the APH is most definitely its own specific breed. Correct, Paint is a breed. Not a color.
which is why they allow solid paints to be registered… LOL.
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Location: Kansas (but Great Lakes member since 1978) | I didn't read all the posts but here is my take on it.
Color breeds began only for color. I remember seeing a lot of spots, palominos, apps, any color you can think of that were really pretty colored but their confirmation wasn't exactly anything I liked. Yes, I'm a AQHA person but I also own some mighty nice paints (no spots unfortunately). The Paint Horse Association started with people that wanted quality and color. I mainly consider myself a rodeo person and my husband and I are both mounted on paints and I'm also starting a palomino that I raised. In fact I have several palominos now because of my fondness for their breeding. They are pretty but a pain in the butt to keep their mane and tail hair white… HA! Anyway, I think the stigma from the past just hasn't quite gone away for the old "color is the only important thing with breeding a horse". |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Paints do sell for less and they are not as sought out. Thats why I only have 2 paint broodmares and one is my personal mare i ran barrels on and i only plan on breeding her twice for foals to keep.
Also Paints are not as fast on the track. Paints have not even began to approach the success quarter horses have had on the track. Every body who likes paints Looks at Judys lineage and texas Hero, ETC like they are gods in the paint world. WHere if a QH had their record on the track most people wouldnt give them a 2nd look as a stud.
I have recently found a racing paint stud i LOVE and definitely plan on breeding him to one of my QH track mares. He has over 100K earned on the track and is a AAAT. I feel he is approaching a high standard for paints and think he could be the next great sire in the paint horse world. |
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| I will probably get flamed badly for this but I personally will probably never own a paint. It would have to be a good deal on an absolutely exceptional horse for me to spend my money on a paint rather than a QH. I realize that they're pretty much the same thing, but I think my pet peeve comes from showing as a kid and everybody and their dog had a paint and they were the "in thing" at the time, but it never seemed like any of them really won, so I guess I just got it in my head that paints were no good. I realize now that that's not the case and theres plenty of good ones out there, they're just not really my thing... |
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Location: FL | From personal experience I can tell you my paint mare has been fast enough to run with a lot of them. She might be a little quirkie but that makes her who she is...and always got compliments on how pretty she is.
She also by a full brother of Alive N Firen and out of a solid paint mare. But I guess I am a little partial.
I also own QH's and have all my life. Color doesn't make the horse anyway. I would ride a grade horse if it took me to the pay window!
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Location: PNW | casualdust07 - 2014-01-20 11:56 AM
Runnin < C > - 2014-01-20 11:53 AM
svincent - 2014-01-20 11:41 AM LIVE2RUN - 2014-01-20 11:32 AM Reading threw these posts confuse me. A Paint is a COLOR not a BREED...... Just like Palominos....a color not a breed.... False... The American Paint Horse IS A BREED. Palomino is a color, buckskin is a color, dun is a color, brown is a color. Paint is a breed. A breed is any group of animals with a homogenous, regular phenotype/genotype. If you breed two paints, you are going to get a paint (exceptions for the crop out/plain marked ) - if you breed two palominos, you might get one, you might not. There are crop out QHs also that have "excessive white" - there are the oddballs in every group - but I assure you, the APH is most definitely its own specific breed. Correct, Paint is a breed. Not a color.
which is why they allow solid paints to be registered… LOL.
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Location: Arizona | svincent - 2014-01-20 11:29 AM
casualdust07 - 2014-01-20 11:56 AM
Runnin < C > - 2014-01-20 11:53 AM
svincent - 2014-01-20 11:41 AM LIVE2RUN - 2014-01-20 11:32 AM Reading threw these posts confuse me. A Paint is a COLOR not a BREED...... Just like Palominos....a color not a breed.... False... The American Paint Horse IS A BREED. Palomino is a color, buckskin is a color, dun is a color, brown is a color. Paint is a breed. A breed is any group of animals with a homogenous, regular phenotype/genotype. If you breed two paints, you are going to get a paint (exceptions for the crop out/plain marked ) - if you breed two palominos, you might get one, you might not. There are crop out QHs also that have "excessive white" - there are the oddballs in every group - but I assure you, the APH is most definitely its own specific breed. Correct, Paint is a breed. Not a color.
which is why they allow solid paints to be registered… LOL.
Exactly.lol
Hmm, I still don't agree...if you have two quarter horses, you breed them and you get a colored horse...what is the horse? If you have two Arabians you breed them and you get a colored horse, what is the horse? I guess I just don't see a "paint" as a breed. I see it as a color....I understand that the AQHA won't register a horse of color thus the APHA was formed...
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