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Location: Cookeville TN | Married2Rodeo - 2014-01-21 10:17 AM
First Be careful!!! Aggressiveness can be very hard to deal with and you must have the correct timing with the displine. Even a second off won't work. Laying one down does work but it must be done correctly or you can actually cause more damage. (We discipline IMMEDIATeLY and make them think they are going to die for three seconds) also this is VERY important as soon as the discipline is over forget about it don't hold it against the horse or stay mad. If you're mad or frustrated go tie her up and get recentered Were all human and sometimes need a break. You will help her more by doing that then staying mad and trying to work through it. disclaimer out of the way. With an aggressive horse you must gain respect on the ground. Make her move her feet, always keep her on a line 1 so you can pull her head around if she tries to leave, 2 to help communicate your requests. Work her in a thin rope halter that has some bite to it. The bucking right now I would ignore. Just send her forward. You need to fix the biting and lunging at you first. First exercise I would do with her is lunge in round pen one direction. Using your body weight step toward her hip and WHOA! Sit her down ( whoa on her hock and turn to face you.)Send her in the next direction. Same thing step toward hip and WHOA. Don't give her a ton of time to plan on evading you only one to two laps around at a trot or easy lope. Not Mach 10. You become the dominate mare deciding what direction she goes and when. Work on this for about 20 min. Tie her up let her think on it. Hour later take a bucket of water and offer it to her. She drinks great she doesn't oh well. You now control every aspect of her life. Same exercise again see how much was retained. The lunging and biting would have her running into the butt end of a whip. Then chased backwards for 10 or so steps then sent to work lunging. There is no leyway here. If she does that and gets you down you're toast. The smack in the neck or elbow isn't working it sounds like it's escalated to far. My guess and I'm sry if I'm wrong. Is that when she goes to bite and lunge you move out of the way then smack her. Or you just smack her and don't move her feet If you move and/or don't make her move she becomes dominate mare. She made you move which is what she wanted. Again sry if I'm reading it wrong. We have had a couple that came for training bc of that. I would keep her in the round pen and take away grain only feed hay and water. She has plenty of spice so she doesn't need any grain lol. There's a lot more exercises you can do and I'm sure you will get plenty of great advice here. Please just be careful and have a buddy there when you work with her and if you lay her down have someone who has done it before helping you so you don't get in a wreak. Our way is not always rainbows and butterflies but it works for us and has worked for some pretty hopeless cases. Good luck!
Thank you so much, I am going to try this! |
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Location: Cookeville TN | Southtxponygirl - 2014-01-21 10:17 AM
Put her on some supplement like Mare Magic for a while and see if it might help with her moods. It's would worth a shot 
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Location: Great NW | mare Magic is Raspberry leaves... and yes it does work on some moody mares. you can find mare Magic at most feed stores. but if not - online stores like Valley Vet have it. or if you have any good health food stores you can find the leaves there and but about 1lb. you feed like 1/2 oz or less a day.(what you can scoop up in a 2oz measure usually works on my mares.) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | speedjunkie - 2014-01-21 11:17 AM mare Magic is Raspberry leaves... and yes it does work on some moody mares. you can find mare Magic at most feed stores. but if not - online stores like Valley Vet have it. or if you have any good health food stores you can find the leaves there and but about 1lb. you feed like 1/2 oz or less a day.(what you can scoop up in a 2oz measure usually works on my mares.)
This^^^^ Google it and see what comes up so you can read up on it. I know it works on some horses, but not all, so I would just try and see if it will help out some on your mare. Goodluck with her  |
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Location: Cookeville TN | Thank you ALL. I'm definitely going to give your ideas a try!
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | bringinithome - 2014-01-21 11:19 AM Well the ONLY reason I have held her feed is because she has come after me at feeding time, and I feel like if I go ahead and give her her grain, she will be rewarded for her behavior.
I disagree with holding feed with an aggressive horse as hunger can cause aggression. Rather then hold it altogether, just somehow make her wait on it? I don't know if you can, but when my colts would get food aggressive I would dump their feed I a no refuse to let them near it until they stood a distance away for a minute or so. I used whatever means necessary to make them stand away, and I won't even sugar coat it, I've whooped a few rear ends over it.
just going out on a limb, if you are dead set on working with her, try regumate or something of the sort. She really does sound hormonal. Sorry that you are dealing with this |
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| Married2Rodeo - 2014-01-21 10:17 AM
First Be careful!!! Aggressiveness can be very hard to deal with and you must have the correct timing with the displine. Even a second off won't work. Laying one down does work but it must be done correctly or you can actually cause more damage. (We discipline IMMEDIATeLY and make them think they are going to die for three seconds) also this is VERY important as soon as the discipline is over forget about it don't hold it against the horse or stay mad. If you're mad or frustrated go tie her up and get recentered Were all human and sometimes need a break. You will help her more by doing that then staying mad and trying to work through it. disclaimer out of the way. With an aggressive horse you must gain respect on the ground. Make her move her feet, always keep her on a line 1 so you can pull her head around if she tries to leave, 2 to help communicate your requests. Work her in a thin rope halter that has some bite to it. The bucking right now I would ignore. Just send her forward. You need to fix the biting and lunging at you first. First exercise I would do with her is lunge in round pen one direction. Using your body weight step toward her hip and WHOA! Sit her down ( whoa on her hock and turn to face you.)Send her in the next direction. Same thing step toward hip and WHOA. Don't give her a ton of time to plan on evading you only one to two laps around at a trot or easy lope. Not Mach 10. You become the dominate mare deciding what direction she goes and when. Work on this for about 20 min. Tie her up let her think on it. Hour later take a bucket of water and offer it to her. She drinks great she doesn't oh well. You now control every aspect of her life. Same exercise again see how much was retained. The lunging and biting would have her running into the butt end of a whip. Then chased backwards for 10 or so steps then sent to work lunging. There is no leyway here. If she does that and gets you down you're toast. The smack in the neck or elbow isn't working it sounds like it's escalated to far. My guess and I'm sry if I'm wrong. Is that when she goes to bite and lunge you move out of the way then smack her. Or you just smack her and don't move her feet If you move and/or don't make her move she becomes dominate mare. She made you move which is what she wanted. Again sry if I'm reading it wrong. We have had a couple that came for training bc of that. I would keep her in the round pen and take away grain only feed hay and water. She has plenty of spice so she doesn't need any grain lol. There's a lot more exercises you can do and I'm sure you will get plenty of great advice here. Please just be careful and have a buddy there when you work with her and if you lay her down have someone who has done it before helping you so you don't get in a wreak. Our way is not always rainbows and butterflies but it works for us and has worked for some pretty hopeless cases. Good luck!
THIS^ Great advice right here! That's what my mom always used to tell me - if a horse is super naughty discipline them and make them think they're going to die for 3 seconds, then act like nothing ever happened and go back to work. You have some great suggestions here, I hope you figure it out! Be safe and update us! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I hate to blame bad behavior on health issues all the time as some horse ae just born nasty. But I wonder if she has PSSM or ulcers or somethiing that is just eating at her and moving around makes her just insane with pain? |
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Location: Cookeville TN | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-21 12:25 PM
I hate to blame bad behavior on health issues all the time as some horse ae just born nasty. But I wonder if she has PSSM or ulcers or somethiing that is just eating at her and moving around makes her just insane with pain?
Yes, I am planning on taking her for a very, very thorough vet visit soon! |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | If pain is ruled out I would send her to someone else to start or get rid of her.
I truly believe there are to many nice ones in this world to deal with the bad ones. |
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | :0))) wished u lived closer I'd love a try at her :0))) |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | bringinithome - 2014-01-21 7:07 AM I want to add that she stands for the farrier, is okay with picking up hooves, but ONLY if someone is holding her at her halter. If you attempt to lift her hooves with her tied to trailer/tree/hitching post, etc., she will not cooperate. This morning, since there is some extreme weather coming in (for our area, it's extreme) I was getting her out of the round pen to let her out to pasture where the round bale is, I reached for her halter and she tried to bite me, when I touched her shoulder, just to pet her, hoping to calm her a little, she immediately spun around to kick me. She just has such a nasty attitude.. I'm at a loss, I was hoping to have her riding this spring and starting her on a "job", but I've got to get this attitude straightened out!
I would have immediately smacked her HARD. When haltering a young horse I always keep my elbow ready so I can move it up and bump them with it. Remember she is in your space, you're not in hers. If you don't get it under control soon it's going to be too late. This horse has no respect for you at all. I don't know what you feed, but I'd also take her off of everything except some grass hay. The last thing you want to do is feed her up while she is kept stalled or in a small pen.
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I would feed her THE Calming Powder and THE Calming Cookies so she gets double the dose. I know they also have a Moody Mare formula that might help as well. Maybe give her THE GastroPLUS for ulcers too. I hope you bring a whip with you for protection. JMO I wouldn't want to go against something aggressive unarmed. I wish you the best of luck and pray for your safety! 
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| get rid of her not worth it
i bought 1 beautiful bred like a million bucks but she dam near killed me won/t go into to deal but everything here suggested did.
i finally sent her to andeson in tifton ga after 6weeks she came home but he too said you can never trust her sold her to charlie
we nickname her dollywood her full brother was aswome she was hateful trecherous mean
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-01-21 9:42 AM
Too many good horses, since you guys can can them, get someone to shoot her. You life is worth more then a cranky grade horse.
AGREED. Too many risks, not enough gain in this equation. I'm sorry. |
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Location: hot, humid and dry...Gulf coast East of Houston.. | Yakima - 2014-01-21 3:19 PM :0))) wished u lived closer I'd love a try at her :0)))
I have one with an attitude I can sent your way if your itching to play... LOL |
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| things that don't kill us (knock on wood ) will only make us stronger. I think even if she wont turn out to be the best thing ever (or she could) if you learn to turn her into something workable you will gain much knowledge as a horse person knowledge is POWER. I didn't have a choice but to learn how to train particular horses and did not have an option of getting another... now im pretty confident and feel I have many tools for teaching young horses that normally would have people backed into a corner. I encourage people to be open minded and problems solvers for the ones that don't come as easy because it WILL make you better horseman. |
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | I have a filly at my house that is by my deceased stallion and out of a mare I sold with said filly in utero. I sold the mare with the unborn filly to a woman out of state. When the filly was a young 2yo, she called to tell me that she was selling her because the filly was aggressive and attacking her. I was shocked at that information. The woman raises trains breaks and shows arabs and half arabs. She sold the filly to another woman who then came down with cancer and couldn't keep her so the original woman took her back. She kept her a month and called to say that she was attacking her and making her run out of the round pen. She said she'd give her to me if I paid the shipping. The shippers told me it took the woman 3 hours to load the filly because the owner tapped, and tapped and tapped ad nauseum the filly on the heels and butt to get her in the trailer. In talking to the woman, she said that she treated the filly like her arabs, and she never tells them to do anything she only asks (and asks, and asks, and asks.....).
So we have had the filly at our house for a year. We broke and and have got her riding nicely. She has never attacked us, never bit, never bared her teeth or acted aggressive. We treat her like all our horses, she knows the rules, she knows we are are the herd bosses. We don't peck or tap excessively. We are fair and firm. Our horses know what is expected of them.
I really can't explain why this filly acted aggressive with her first owner but not with us but I have a few ideas.
Perhaps starting over is a good place to start, what about Anderson's "Lunging for Respect" lesson? Maybe she needs to be laid down by someone who's experienced in doing so? |
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| I would send her packing and FAST ! You dont stay here long if you have a bad attitude. Take her to local auction and let her go where she belongs may sound harsh but hospital bills are more $ then a grade horse is worth ! |
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Location: Alberta | If your determined to give her a chance and have the money and access to a good trainer who works off a ranch setting, I'd send her there.....being cowboy'ed off learns a horse fast what respect and work ethic means....AND if it's a good trainer they will try what they can and tell you if the horse is worth the effort....
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