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| Aqhaczy - 2014-02-07 1:21 PM Start the race on time.... there are shows that have exhibition runs before the actually race...that's great, but just because you've over book the t/o or have a few snafu's during that time and start running late so what.... cut the t/o off and refund money back to those that didn't get to run. Get the show started on time. I along with several other's I know really rely on the show starting time...since some of us have to work weekends and still want to run.
Amen! There are several organizations around here that post the start time as "will not start before xx.xx" I get that they make money on the exhibitions that run prior to the race but not starting until 9:00 or later doesn't work for people who have to get up and go to WORK. | |
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Location: Texas!! | Another thing to help speed things up, is for the barrel setters to set the barrels up as soon as they are knocked down, you don't have to wait for the horse to leave the arena. I know at local shows they are usually volunteers and may not know. | |
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Location: Bandera, TX | jbw tx mom - 2014-02-07 11:24 AM I am not a producer but have attended many jackpots over the past 50 years. It seems to me that it takes multiple tractors at least 3 used during the drag, of which they know which barrel each is responsible for and which way they are all going to work. At times it looks like synchronized chaos. Also the alley set up is so that the horse leaving the arena passes the entrance quickly to allow the next rider to come in quickly and get started. And above all a great gate man in the alley to run the show. Communication Communication Communication to all the workers responsible for running the show. I Think D&G crew does an excellent job of running off a large barrel race I wish they would put a video out on how they work different ground before a show.
In Chucks words...they tear the hell out of the dirt. It doesn't matter what kind it is. Then they go to watering it correctly for its "type" and laying back down for the race. | |
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Location: Alberta | RunNitroRun......if you are from Alberta and do a race please PM me details, thanks! | |
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Location: Oklahoma | ThreeCorners - 2014-02-07 11:41 AM
Besides the arena crew and multiple tractors for the drags, I think probably the biggest time savor most efficient set up to run so many so fast is setting up the wings. That way you have your next 5 in during the drags in the holding area, and there is no waiting on the gate and the alley way cluster. Also, it eliminates the bad to start alley way issues that eat up so much time. 99.999% of horses with alley way issues have no issues with the wings set up.
Also, at our big shows, they are not allowed to come in and circle and then go....or walk down the alley, look in, go back up the alley and then start. Once you enter the alley, you must keep a forward motion down the alley or you will be DQ'ed. That speeds it up a lot. I watch videos from other places where they walk in, circle a couple of times and jack with their horses and I'm thinking.....geez, just start your run already!!! If that is allowed, then I see why it's slow. I do think multiple tractors are needed, but we do have one local jackpot that a gal drags, and she has that tractor in high gear and does a good job. It doesn't take her very long to drag. | |
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| dianeguinn - 2014-02-08 12:37 PM
ThreeCorners - 2014-02-07 11:41 AM
Besides the arena crew and multiple tractors for the drags, I think probably the biggest time savor most efficient set up to run so many so fast is setting up the wings. That way you have your next 5 in during the drags in the holding area, and there is no waiting on the gate and the alley way cluster. Also, it eliminates the bad to start alley way issues that eat up so much time. 99.999% of horses with alley way issues have no issues with the wings set up.
Also, at our big shows, they are not allowed to come in and circle and then go....or walk down the alley, look in, go back up the alley and then start. Once you enter the alley, you must keep a forward motion down the alley or you will be DQ'ed. That speeds it up a lot. I watch videos from other places where they walk in, circle a couple of times and jack with their horses and I'm thinking.....geez, just start your run already!!! If that is allowed, then I see why it's slow. I do think multiple tractors are needed, but we do have one local jackpot that a gal drags, and she has that tractor in high gear and does a good job. It doesn't take her very long to drag.
I would never go to a place again if they DQ'd you for running your horse how it likes to be ran. I know for a little while while Dee was just started running in, I had to walk her down the alley and show her the barrels or we would end up on the other side of the arena. Don't judge how others want to run their horse. We have never had anyone say anything about people taking their time. Rushing is what causes mess ups and knocked barrels. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 3:19 PM dianeguinn - 2014-02-08 12:37 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-02-07 11:41 AM Besides the arena crew and multiple tractors for the drags, I think probably the biggest time savor most efficient set up to run so many so fast is setting up the wings. That way you have your next 5 in during the drags in the holding area, and there is no waiting on the gate and the alley way cluster. Also, it eliminates the bad to start alley way issues that eat up so much time. 99.999% of horses with alley way issues have no issues with the wings set up. Also, at our big shows, they are not allowed to come in and circle and then go....or walk down the alley, look in, go back up the alley and then start. Once you enter the alley, you must keep a forward motion down the alley or you will be DQ'ed. That speeds it up a lot. I watch videos from other places where they walk in, circle a couple of times and jack with their horses and I'm thinking.....geez, just start your run already!!! If that is allowed, then I see why it's slow. I do think multiple tractors are needed, but we do have one local jackpot that a gal drags, and she has that tractor in high gear and does a good job. It doesn't take her very long to drag. I would never go to a place again if they DQ'd you for running your horse how it likes to be ran. I know for a little while while Dee was just started running in, I had to walk her down the alley and show her the barrels or we would end up on the other side of the arena. Don't judge how others want to run their horse. We have never had anyone say anything about people taking their time. Rushing is what causes mess ups and knocked barrels.
Diane wasn't judging. At small jackpots you'll get away with what your describing but at the big ones, when its your turn its forward motion only. If you need to train do it during an exhibition, that's what they are there for. Its not rushing you, its being curteous to the others. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:30 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 3:19 PM dianeguinn - 2014-02-08 12:37 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-02-07 11:41 AM Besides the arena crew and multiple tractors for the drags, I think probably the biggest time savor most efficient set up to run so many so fast is setting up the wings. That way you have your next 5 in during the drags in the holding area, and there is no waiting on the gate and the alley way cluster. Also, it eliminates the bad to start alley way issues that eat up so much time. 99.999% of horses with alley way issues have no issues with the wings set up. Also, at our big shows, they are not allowed to come in and circle and then go....or walk down the alley, look in, go back up the alley and then start. Once you enter the alley, you must keep a forward motion down the alley or you will be DQ'ed. That speeds it up a lot. I watch videos from other places where they walk in, circle a couple of times and jack with their horses and I'm thinking.....geez, just start your run already!!! If that is allowed, then I see why it's slow. I do think multiple tractors are needed, but we do have one local jackpot that a gal drags, and she has that tractor in high gear and does a good job. It doesn't take her very long to drag. I would never go to a place again if they DQ'd you for running your horse how it likes to be ran. I know for a little while while Dee was just started running in, I had to walk her down the alley and show her the barrels or we would end up on the other side of the arena. Don't judge how others want to run their horse. We have never had anyone say anything about people taking their time. Rushing is what causes mess ups and knocked barrels.
Here the exhibitions are to school your horses and when the open starts when they call your name and if they have to call 3 times your out, and no lopeing circles to get the right lead either, forward motion only. This is for the large or small barrel races. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-08 4:36 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:30 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 3:19 PM dianeguinn - 2014-02-08 12:37 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-02-07 11:41 AM Besides the arena crew and multiple tractors for the drags, I think probably the biggest time savor most efficient set up to run so many so fast is setting up the wings. That way you have your next 5 in during the drags in the holding area, and there is no waiting on the gate and the alley way cluster. Also, it eliminates the bad to start alley way issues that eat up so much time. 99.999% of horses with alley way issues have no issues with the wings set up. Also, at our big shows, they are not allowed to come in and circle and then go....or walk down the alley, look in, go back up the alley and then start. Once you enter the alley, you must keep a forward motion down the alley or you will be DQ'ed. That speeds it up a lot. I watch videos from other places where they walk in, circle a couple of times and jack with their horses and I'm thinking.....geez, just start your run already!!! If that is allowed, then I see why it's slow. I do think multiple tractors are needed, but we do have one local jackpot that a gal drags, and she has that tractor in high gear and does a good job. It doesn't take her very long to drag. I would never go to a place again if they DQ'd you for running your horse how it likes to be ran. I know for a little while while Dee was just started running in, I had to walk her down the alley and show her the barrels or we would end up on the other side of the arena. Don't judge how others want to run their horse. We have never had anyone say anything about people taking their time. Rushing is what causes mess ups and knocked barrels.
Its about like having trouble getting in the gate. I've made sure to post it on my flyers that you get 3 calls and don't expect the gate person to help you. Bring your own helper or you will be DQ'd. I've gotten tired of the same people showing up run after run causing the jackpot to get over later than it should because they have trouble at the gate. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:43 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-08 4:36 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:30 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 3:19 PM dianeguinn - 2014-02-08 12:37 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-02-07 11:41 AM Besides the arena crew and multiple tractors for the drags, I think probably the biggest time savor most efficient set up to run so many so fast is setting up the wings. That way you have your next 5 in during the drags in the holding area, and there is no waiting on the gate and the alley way cluster. Also, it eliminates the bad to start alley way issues that eat up so much time. 99.999% of horses with alley way issues have no issues with the wings set up. Also, at our big shows, they are not allowed to come in and circle and then go....or walk down the alley, look in, go back up the alley and then start. Once you enter the alley, you must keep a forward motion down the alley or you will be DQ'ed. That speeds it up a lot. I watch videos from other places where they walk in, circle a couple of times and jack with their horses and I'm thinking.....geez, just start your run already!!! If that is allowed, then I see why it's slow. I do think multiple tractors are needed, but we do have one local jackpot that a gal drags, and she has that tractor in high gear and does a good job. It doesn't take her very long to drag. I would never go to a place again if they DQ'd you for running your horse how it likes to be ran. I know for a little while while Dee was just started running in, I had to walk her down the alley and show her the barrels or we would end up on the other side of the arena. Don't judge how others want to run their horse. We have never had anyone say anything about people taking their time. Rushing is what causes mess ups and knocked barrels.
And I agree Diane was not judging these are the rules at most barrel races. | |
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Location: Canada | Thanks so much for all the replies. Usually there isn't an alley way just an open gate and gate keeper. The suggestions have certainly given me some ideas for the next jackpots. Thank you so much to everyone who replied.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-08 4:48 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:43 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-08 4:36 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:30 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 3:19 PM dianeguinn - 2014-02-08 12:37 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-02-07 11:41 AM Besides the arena crew and multiple tractors for the drags, I think probably the biggest time savor most efficient set up to run so many so fast is setting up the wings. That way you have your next 5 in during the drags in the holding area, and there is no waiting on the gate and the alley way cluster. Also, it eliminates the bad to start alley way issues that eat up so much time. 99.999% of horses with alley way issues have no issues with the wings set up. Also, at our big shows, they are not allowed to come in and circle and then go....or walk down the alley, look in, go back up the alley and then start. Once you enter the alley, you must keep a forward motion down the alley or you will be DQ'ed. That speeds it up a lot. I watch videos from other places where they walk in, circle a couple of times and jack with their horses and I'm thinking.....geez, just start your run already!!! If that is allowed, then I see why it's slow. I do think multiple tractors are needed, but we do have one local jackpot that a gal drags, and she has that tractor in high gear and does a good job. It doesn't take her very long to drag. I would never go to a place again if they DQ'd you for running your horse how it likes to be ran. I know for a little while while Dee was just started running in, I had to walk her down the alley and show her the barrels or we would end up on the other side of the arena. Don't judge how others want to run their horse. We have never had anyone say anything about people taking their time. Rushing is what causes mess ups and knocked barrels.
I don't see it as judging either....just the way most big shows and more and more little shows are running their show........YOU need to be prepared to run by the show's rules and I agree with your (FH1454) own statement........if you can't (or won't) make a run according to those rules....don't go! | |
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| NJJ - 2014-02-08 6:46 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-08 4:48 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:43 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-08 4:36 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:30 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 3:19 PM dianeguinn - 2014-02-08 12:37 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-02-07 11:41 AM Besides the arena crew and multiple tractors for the drags, I think probably the biggest time savor most efficient set up to run so many so fast is setting up the wings. That way you have your next 5 in during the drags in the holding area, and there is no waiting on the gate and the alley way cluster. Also, it eliminates the bad to start alley way issues that eat up so much time. 99.999% of horses with alley way issues have no issues with the wings set up. Also, at our big shows, they are not allowed to come in and circle and then go....or walk down the alley, look in, go back up the alley and then start. Once you enter the alley, you must keep a forward motion down the alley or you will be DQ'ed. That speeds it up a lot. I watch videos from other places where they walk in, circle a couple of times and jack with their horses and I'm thinking.....geez, just start your run already!!! If that is allowed, then I see why it's slow. I do think multiple tractors are needed, but we do have one local jackpot that a gal drags, and she has that tractor in high gear and does a good job. It doesn't take her very long to drag. I would never go to a place again if they DQ'd you for running your horse how it likes to be ran. I know for a little while while Dee was just started running in, I had to walk her down the alley and show her the barrels or we would end up on the other side of the arena. Don't judge how others want to run their horse. We have never had anyone say anything about people taking their time. Rushing is what causes mess ups and knocked barrels.
I've ran at a lot of events and there has never been a problem, large or small. So It could just be your part of the country, because here no one cares. It's however you want to go in. I wasn't meaning she was specifically judging (although it kinda came out that way) more of, around here, we don't care how you want to run. If you have enough room, circle if you need to. That is how all races, big or small, are around here. (Within reasonable time, of course, don't spend 5 minutes getting ready, generally 2 circles max and go). I don't circle mine, since she is much better running through now. I'm simply saying that around here, it doesn't matter. And it shouldn't matter. IMO | |
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| We also only have gate people if there is no arena attached to the pen (which is how it is at my 2 favorite places I run), then it is a closed pen and you have to be stopped (under control) before the gate will open (you can run in still), otherwise no one down there. | |
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Location: PA | No schooling during your run. You miss the barrel, you miss the barrel, get out of the arena. No circling the barrel twice/three times........... One shot, your done! Not fair to others in your drag and also slows down the show. In/out! I like it at the shows where you are fined if you do this!! The $$$ then goes to charity. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 9:11 PM And it shouldn't matter. IMO
I disagree, as do most producers who put on shows of 100+ entries or more.......It DOES matter........If every one of the 100 entries takes just a "mere" 30 seconds to WALK in the gate and circle a couple of times, it ADDS almost 1 hour to the show.....it is ONE of the biggest time consumer "hogs" for a show producer. | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 9:11 PM NJJ - 2014-02-08 6:46 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-08 4:48 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:43 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-08 4:36 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-08 4:30 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 3:19 PM dianeguinn - 2014-02-08 12:37 PM ThreeCorners - 2014-02-07 11:41 AM Besides the arena crew and multiple tractors for the drags, I think probably the biggest time savor most efficient set up to run so many so fast is setting up the wings. That way you have your next 5 in during the drags in the holding area, and there is no waiting on the gate and the alley way cluster. Also, it eliminates the bad to start alley way issues that eat up so much time. 99.999% of horses with alley way issues have no issues with the wings set up. Also, at our big shows, they are not allowed to come in and circle and then go....or walk down the alley, look in, go back up the alley and then start. Once you enter the alley, you must keep a forward motion down the alley or you will be DQ'ed. That speeds it up a lot. I watch videos from other places where they walk in, circle a couple of times and jack with their horses and I'm thinking.....geez, just start your run already!!! If that is allowed, then I see why it's slow. I do think multiple tractors are needed, but we do have one local jackpot that a gal drags, and she has that tractor in high gear and does a good job. It doesn't take her very long to drag. I would never go to a place again if they DQ'd you for running your horse how it likes to be ran. I know for a little while while Dee was just started running in, I had to walk her down the alley and show her the barrels or we would end up on the other side of the arena. Don't judge how others want to run their horse. We have never had anyone say anything about people taking their time. Rushing is what causes mess ups and knocked barrels. I've ran at a lot of events and there has never been a problem, large or small. So It could just be your part of the country, because here no one cares. It's however you want to go in. I wasn't meaning she was specifically judging (although it kinda came out that way ) more of, around here, we don't care how you want to run. If you have enough room, circle if you need to. That is how all races, big or small, are around here. (Within reasonable time, of course, don't spend 5 minutes getting ready, generally 2 circles max and go ). I don't circle mine, since she is much better running through now. I'm simply saying that around here, it doesn't matter. And it shouldn't matter. IMO
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Location: Too far from home | We don't run any big commercial barrel races, but have had several at our home that have been in the 90's and 100's. Here's what we do:
Start on time. Keep announcing the amount of time til you start and keep pushing exhibitions/time onlys to get them done.
Lasers help with setting barrels quickly.
When a barrel is knocked down in a run, set it back up before he/she finishes.
We only have 1 tractor, but have a system and be running when the last person on the drag crosses the line.
Be announcing the next 5 to the holding pen and the next 5 after that to get to the holding pen.
Start calling the first runner before the tractor shuts off.
Two of the main things barrel racers are looking for in a barrel race (these are really only my own beliefs) are that the GROUND is good and it's run QUICKLY. We just kind of try to set an atmosphere of efficiency and speed. Hope that helps. | |
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Location: OK | I love holding pens. I thought I wouldn't, but it really makes it run off fast when you don't have to wait for a yo yo horse to run backward trying to get him in.
Have good ground in the alley, especially if the gate is closed.
You can't please everyone, but it's so important to be nice. Be firm to the trouble makers, but be nice.
The circling before, I know a lot of people like to do it, but my way of lookin at it is, a horse will have to learn some day that the alley means business and he better get his feet right. He will. You might mess up the first a few times, but it will iron out and he will be more solid as a result. If I go to a pen that I hate because of the set up, I absolutely go back, over and over until we master it. I don't wanna have to turn down a good opportunity because my horse has to circle 3 times and me chanting his mantra to nail the first.
So don't let people chew you out too much, because whatever rules you make, somebody will be mad. If they never come back, I wouldn't count it as a loss. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2014-02-09 8:56 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2014-02-08 9:11 PM And it shouldn't matter. IMO I disagree, as do most producers who put on shows of 100+ entries or more.......It DOES matter........If every one of the 100 entries takes just a "mere" 30 seconds to WALK in the gate and circle a couple of times, it ADDS almost 1 hour to the show.....it is ONE of the biggest time consumer "hogs" for a show producer.
Yes it does matter, since some of the barrel races can get over 150 and more at the smaller and over 400 at the bigger shows and they have rules. | |
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