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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | People DONT pay attention to ribbons. HECK if i asked every one to tell me what red, blue, yellow, white, and green meant most wouldnt know!
Would i do it anyway for liability purposes!? Yes!
If your horse is aggressive and thinks it should get to kick and act out thats a NO GO BRO for me. I get after them and they cut that crap out. If you want to stand next to friends on your horse, or your horses gets a little crowded in a group do you want to sit there in a panic waiting for your horse to blow? I wouldnt....
I have a mare that started that crap and tried to be a kicker in close proximity to horses and when im on OR AROUND her, that is a NO NO. and she learned that FAST. Now she might pin her ears, but THATS IT she will not react.
She's still a witch when shes stalled with horses next to her, but thats her space, so as long as shes not ruining my stalls No problem.
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Location: Texas | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2014-02-10 1:09 PM People DONT pay attention to ribbons. HECK if i asked every one to tell me what red, blue, yellow, white, and green meant most wouldnt know! Would i do it anyway for liability purposes!? Yes! If your horse is aggressive and thinks it should get to kick and act out thats a NO GO BRO for me. I get after them and they cut that crap out. If you want to stand next to friends on your horse, or your horses gets a little crowded in a group do you want to sit there in a panic waiting for your horse to blow? I wouldnt.... I have a mare that started that crap and tried to be a kicker in close proximity to horses and when im on OR AROUND her, that is a NO NO. and she learned that FAST. Now she might pin her ears, but THATS IT she will not react. She's still a witch when shes stalled with horses next to her, but thats her space, so as long as shes not ruining my stalls No problem.
I am one of them that doesn't know what they all mean. On the other side though, I assume everything kicks, bites, or whatever. My friends had some nasty horses when we were growing up, and you didn't want your horse near them for your safety and your horses.... so it is a habit now to give myself plenty of distance.
Even though I don't know what they mean, I know they mean something lol. I do notice them though, and don't assume they are there for decoration. I just keep a bigger bubble around those horses. |
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| horsepoor1 - 2014-02-09 3:23 PM
i would. but no worries, some people wont pay attention to it. i had a mare that would kick-tried the ribbon-didn't work. tried writing on my back numbers with HUGE red marker "i kick" didn't work, tried getting the paint that you can paint on horses with and wrote across her rear end "I KICK" didn't work lol. people actually got mad at me if she kicked at their horse (when they clearly ran up her butt but ok, sorry about that)
i think some people have no etiquette as far as warm up areas
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | pinx05 - 2014-02-10 1:11 PM
Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2014-02-10 1:09 PM People DONT pay attention to ribbons. HECK if i asked every one to tell me what red, blue, yellow, white, and green meant most wouldnt know! Would i do it anyway for liability purposes!? Yes! If your horse is aggressive and thinks it should get to kick and act out thats a NO GO BRO for me. I get after them and they cut that crap out. If you want to stand next to friends on your horse, or your horses gets a little crowded in a group do you want to sit there in a panic waiting for your horse to blow? I wouldnt.... I have a mare that started that crap and tried to be a kicker in close proximity to horses and when im on OR AROUND her, that is a NO NO. and she learned that FAST. Now she might pin her ears, but THATS IT she will not react. She's still a witch when shes stalled with horses next to her, but thats her space, so as long as shes not ruining my stalls No problem.
I am one of them that doesn't know what they all mean. On the other side though, I assume everything kicks, bites, or whatever. My friends had some nasty horses when we were growing up, and you didn't want your horse near them for your safety and your horses.... so it is a habit now to give myself plenty of distance.
Even though I don't know what they mean, I know they mean something lol. I do notice them though, and don't assume they are there for decoration. I just keep a bigger bubble around those horses.
LOL yup i like what you said there. when people ask does your horse bite or kick I got it has teeth so it can bite it has legs so it can kick so i suppose yes it bites and kicks.
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Here you go, They dont have yellow on there, but these are the most important anyway. Or maybe yellow doesnt mean anything, let me get back to you on that.
Ah ok had to research that real quick Blue/Yellow are used interchangeably to signify its a stallion. But i think blue is more widely known cause it makes sense Boys wear blue. Right>?
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| We were at a show in Cali and I was cooling off the stallion, spraying him with hose and I had some liniment in a bucket. I was off all by my self between a fence and the walls of the stalls so I could make sure no one would be around. This lady came walking up and I told her, "don't come this way he will kick at you, he's a stud still". This horse has ravaged other horses a couple of times and I knew what would happen. I looked away for half a second and she proceeded to walk up on him, I guess she thought I didn't know what I was talking about, he kicked with both hind legs and her head split them. she was so lucky.... I screamed at her then because it scared me so much. she proceeded to get mad at me when I told her, looking right in her eyes, DO NOT COME THIS WAY, STAY BACK FROM HIM!
I guess what I'm saying, people don't care or pay any attention until they get smacked in the face. I would put a ribbon on but don't expect anyone to pay attention and listen. |
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Location: Texas | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2014-02-10 2:48 PM Here you go, They dont have yellow on there, but these are the most important anyway. Or maybe yellow doesnt mean anything, let me get back to you on that. Ah ok had to research that real quick Blue/Yellow are used interchangeably to signify its a stallion. But i think blue is more widely known cause it makes sense Boys wear blue. Right>?
That one threw me off for a second lol. The only one I thought I knew was yellow... then I thought I had it wrong all these years! Thanks for clearing that up though.
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| Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2014-02-10 12:48 PM
Here you go, They dont have yellow on there, but these are the most important anyway. Or maybe yellow doesnt mean anything, let me get back to you on that.
Ah ok had to research that real quick Blue/Yellow are used interchangeably to signify its a stallion. But i think blue is more widely known cause it makes sense Boys wear blue. Right>?
I didnt know there were other colors. Ive only seen the red ribbon around here. Thanks for info. |
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| I don't put a ribbon in my horse's tail, because she isn't a kicker. But she is a mare, and I will bet money that your stupid trail pony runs up on her, she will probably pin her ears and kick. Because she is a horse and horses do that. Do I condone it? No, do I get after her for it? Heck yes, but I'm not going to give my horse a bad reputation for other people's stupidity, because she is not a 'kicker', she is a horse. Use common sense or stay away from them is all I have to say.
I do put a sign on my gelding's stall where ever we go though, because he is a striker. He will come between those bars so quick you won't know what hit you. I also try to put a blue ribbon in his tail at 4H events, not because he is a stallion, but because he will mount a mare if you leave her too close to him. He has 15 babies on the ground, he knows what a mare is.  He also proved at fair a few years ago, he can't be trusted with those irresponsible people around him so it's better to give them the warning. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cecollins0811 - 2014-02-09 5:17 PM
My gelding isn't a known kicker but when he is around unknown horses he pins his ears back and sometimes tries to lunge at them, especially riding in a small arena warming up. He never really tries to bite them but just scare them off away from him. Should I tie a red ribbon on his tail just so people know to stay away?
Some things to think about... a ribbon at the back end of your horse will not alert people in front of you that your horse might lunge at their horse... Perhaps your horse is jealous and worries about sharing you with other horses. |
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Location: Southern OK aka God's Country | rodeomom3 - 2014-02-10 12:16 PM
I agree others may not know what the red ribbon means but at least you are doing what you can to be responsible. We had a kicker, couldn't find our ribbon so asked in the office if they had anything I could use. The lady in line behind me excitedly said I didn't know a ribbon would make them stop kicking, does it have to be red? :). She was a little embarrassed when I explained the purpose of the ribbon.
This is so funny!! Almost as good as the deer crossing lady. |
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| I apologize but I don't have any tolerance for kickers (whether it be mare or stud) - no matter the circumstances it is unacceptable for a horse to kick another horse when you are riding them. So I am wondering if your child starts biting other kids at daycare (whether provoked or not) - do you put a ribbon on him and send him back or do you correct the problem. |
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| Ok, I'm just going to step out here and say what everyone is thinking, lol. By all means, get a red ribbon(to help with liability) but yes, it is his fault, no, others shouldn't have to stay away, and I would beat the ever living daylights out of him! There is no horse that would ever be on my feed bill who would be allowed to pin his ears and lunge at other horses.....I'd knock him flat on his back for that and DARE him to ever try that mess again! |
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| I try to train my horses for success.
I start out small, going to small events where there are a few horses in the warm up, then I gradually increase to full blown chaos.
I believe using little steps allow the horse to have the confidence to handle the crowds.
If my horses misbehave in any way they get their behinds whooped.
I did have one horse that liked their own personal space and would kick when I wasn't around, I had a friend stand by him and smack him everytime he pinned his ears back, this worked, but every year or two he would need a refresher.
If I had a horse that was lunging or kicking in crowded warm ups, I would get there super early to warm up, or would find another place to warm up.
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| Bewitching Racer - 2014-02-11 8:55 AM
I apologize but I don't have any tolerance for kickers (whether it be mare or stud) - no matter the circumstances it is unacceptable for a horse to kick another horse when you are riding them. So I am wondering if your child starts biting other kids at daycare (whether provoked or not) - do you put a ribbon on him and send him back or do you correct the problem.
For the sake of opinions ... I agree to a point. I don't condone the kicking/biting/ horrid behavior. However, it takes time to correct behavior that has been allowed by a previous owner/ rider. Should I keep my really good horse at home because the person who owned it before me had no ability to correct certain behaviors? Also, with the kid, do you not allow that child back to school or do you correct it and then allow it to go back knowing that the child has a mind of their own and MIGHT do it again?
I think correction and teaching behavior is a process, just like good parenting. You do your personal best. Sometimes others may be "better" at it than you, but that doesn't mean you are not diligently trying to fix whatever issue. Thus, the ribbons are warnings to others that this horse may be in the process ... Just like those kids at school, sometimes they are sitting at a desk by themselves but they are still at school and participating.
ETA - Of course you keep horses away from others if they are a danger. You start small and work up to large events, correcting behavior and emphasizing change but it takes time. Just like kids who are a DANGER ... they end up in Juvie or other places to correct the behavior.
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| I encourage people to put ribbons on problem horses as long as they are admitting and trying to correct the problem. I just strongly feel that kickers are very dangerous and unpredictable and if you don't feel like you have a known kicker under control then they have no business being in a crowded warm up pen. I also think about the children, beginners etc that are on their horses in these warm up pens. |
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I kind of feel like if he misbehaves that bad it's your responsibility to keep him away from any horse he might injure by kicking or biting. Sometimes inside areas can get pretty crowded and I don't think it's fair to blame someone else for getting too close to your horse.
I would be royally p!ssed if I happened to walk by and he kicked a horse of mine.
Can you just warm him up outside until you've got his behavior corrected?
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Location: Great NW | OregonBR - 2014-02-11 9:47 AM Correct the behavior or stay home.
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