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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This whole thing has been nothing more than a ruse. Just more intrusive, meddlesome government control. They can't seem to get anything done that really makes a difference, so they have to just make up a bunch of sh!t. I have always been amazed by politicians attempts to use climate and the weather as a tool to sway voters to support some agenda that has, at best, weak scientific evidence to support it. This is nothing new. It all started back around the spring of 1970, when we had the very first "Earth Day". Of course, back then, the big fear was "global cooling" and the rage was "Zero Population Growth". We have permitted politicians to violate a very critical unwritten law by allowing politics and science to become intertwined. Now the floodgates have been opened and solid science and critical analysis are scarce, if not extinct. This is why we have this never ending debate over "global warming". Politicians whose livelihood depends on the "validity" of that premise, need global warming to be "fact" and, more importantly, that man is the main contributing factor. The revelations of the East Anglia global warming scandal shed some light into the perverse influence that politics has had in science. In spite of some sound evidence and expert opinions to the contrary, the environmental extremists on the far left have managed to preserve this "global warming" agenda and sell it as a legitimate concern that is a "proven fact". Of course, since we have been freezing our asses off in recent years, the progressives have changed the term "global warming" into "global climate change". All of this is a ginned up tool to get us to drastically change the way we live.....the cars we drive, the products we consume, and the energy we use.....so they can legislate controls over all these factors.......hence, "Green technology", another left wing euphemism, just like "liberal" has been euphemistically re-labelled "progressive".
This is why they don't want people to burn wood. Burning wood is an independent undertaking. Independence, liberty, and freedom to a progressive is like sunlight, holy water, and garlic to Dracula. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | In my area they haven't made it illegal just very hard to get insurance (In Canada). They have a rule stating that if you live more then 15km from the closest fire department your not insurable if you have a wood burning stove and any type of burning gas furnace. 15km doesn't go very far when you in the middle of nowhere and I am 25+ Km from the nearest town... we decided insurance for our property was worth more to us over cheap heating and now have a geothermal furnace that is backed up by an electric one. But I do miss a nice wood burning stove, there is nothing like the warmth and coziness it gives; it's a completely different type of heat then what I have to me.
ETA: Most places closer to town or in town that would meet the requirements ended up getting propane or were able to get the Natural gas pipe to their house so they don't burn either.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Just another way to strip away our freedom, I wonder what they would do with the ones that have fireplaces in their homes? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ndiehl - 2014-02-27 10:25 AM In my area they haven't made it illegal just very hard to get insurance (In Canada). They have a rule stating that if you live more then 15km from the closest fire department your not insurable if you have a wood burning stove and any type of burning gas furnace. 15km doesn't go very far when you in the middle of nowhere and I am 25+ Km from the nearest town... we decided insurance for our property was worth more to us over cheap heating and now have a geothermal furnace that is backed up by an electric one. But I do miss a nice wood burning stove, there is nothing like the warmth and coziness it gives; it's a completely different type of heat then what I have to me. ETA: Most places closer to town or in town that would meet the requirements ended up getting propane or were able to get the Natural gas pipe to their house so they don't burn either.
Did you know some European countries don't allow anyone to build houses outside of a town or village? You have to be grandfathered in to live in the country. People living in town are less self-sufficient. So many possibilities there to be exploited. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | HotbearLVR - 2014-02-27 10:12 AM This whole thing has been nothing more than a ruse. Just more intrusive, meddlesome government control. They can't seem to get anything done that really makes a difference, so they have to just make up a bunch of sh!t. I have always been amazed by politicians attempts to use climate and the weather as a tool to sway voters to support some agenda that has, at best, weak scientific evidence to support it. This is nothing new. It all started back around the spring of 1970, when we had the very first "Earth Day". Of course, back then, the big fear was "global cooling" and the rage was "Zero Population Growth". We have permitted politicians to violate a very critical unwritten law by allowing politics and science to become intertwined. Now the floodgates have been opened and solid science and critical analysis are scarce, if not extinct. This is why we have this never ending debate over "global warming". Politicians whose livelihood depends on the "validity" of that premise, need global warming to be "fact" and, more importantly, that man is the main contributing factor. The revelations of the East Anglia global warming scandal shed some light into the perverse influence that politics has had in science. In spite of some sound evidence and expert opinions to the contrary, the environmental extremists on the far left have managed to preserve this "global warming" agenda and sell it as a legitimate concern that is a "proven fact". Of course, since we have been freezing our asses off in recent years, the progressives have changed the term "global warming" into "global climate change". All of this is a ginned up tool to get us to drastically change the way we live.....the cars we drive, the products we consume, and the energy we use.....so they can legislate controls over all these factors.......hence, "Green technology", another left wing euphemism, just like "liberal" has been euphemistically re-labelled "progressive".
This is why they don't want people to burn wood. Burning wood is an independent undertaking. Independence, liberty, and freedom to a progressive is like sunlight, holy water, and garlic to Dracula.
They are even saying now, the reason it is so much colder is because the effect of "global warming" is.. the hot months are hotter and the cold months are colder. Still trying to corrolate it to justify their stupid a$$ rules and regulations!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I giggle at the string of ironies we've been seeing in recent years. It all makes me realize how God has an amazing sense of humor. Every time there is a planned conference on global warming there's a blizzard or ice storm, it seems. Another hilarious incident was when this ship full of scientists studying the effects of global warming and the melting polar ice caps went to Antarctica and wound up getting stranded and frozen in the expanding arctic ice. I think God enjoys embarassing fools and idiots. Been there a time or two myself!
Every once in a while you see a good interview with a climatologist who explains things like La Nina and El Nino and how our weather has been naturally cyclic for thousands of years.
Google George Carlin's take on "environmentalists" sometime, for a good laugh. |
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| I guess it's going to take an uprising in this country for us to be heard. They won't listen to our elected politicians in Washington that don't agree with them, even though they represent all of us out here that believe that way, doesn't matter. Can you believe Harry Reid yesterday saying that all the people complaining about their health insurance costs and cancellations and problems brought on by Obamacare are LYING!!!! Really??? We all got together and decided we would tell all these lies about the Presidents health plan. How out of reach can they be and if this is not the year we take back control of both houses, heaven help us. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-02-27 11:00 AM
I giggle at the string of ironies we've been seeing in recent years. It all makes me realize how God has an amazing sense of humor. Every time there is a planned conference on global warming there's a blizzard or ice storm, it seems. Another hilarious incident was when this ship full of scientists studying the effects of global warming and the melting polar ice caps went to Antarctica and wound up getting stranded and frozen in the expanding arctic ice. I think God enjoys embarassing fools and idiots. Been there a time or two myself!
Every once in a while you see a good interview with a climatologist who explains things like La Nina and El Nino and how our weather has been naturally cyclic for thousands of years.
Google George Carlin's take on "environmentalists" sometime, for a good laugh.
I too have always thought that God created man as comic relief. Climate change..... just another example of man's arrogance. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Frodo - 2014-02-27 9:21 AM
These people fail to consider the fact that someone out there is making a living building woodburning stoves. It will cost jobs. When Obama first came into office, he went after corporate jets, a key industry in the area where I live. The damage took years to overcome.
You're from Kansas so I'm not surprised you don't understand that a whole lot more people make money CUTTING firewood than making the stoves. Where I come from this ban will finally be the start of the shooting war that has been coming. Virtually everybody has a wood stove in rural Missouri and they all have guns too. We simply can't afford any other form of heat in the winter. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | There's simply no good reason for banning wood buring stoves. More meddlesome bullsh!t. If I stayed up here in Minnesota, I would build a wood stove shed and heat my home with hot water. Bugs the hell out of me to pay $500 a month just to heat my house. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-02-27 11:00 AM
I giggle at the string of ironies we've been seeing in recent years. It all makes me realize how God has an amazing sense of humor. Every time there is a planned conference on global warming there's a blizzard or ice storm, it seems. Another hilarious incident was when this ship full of scientists studying the effects of global warming and the melting polar ice caps went to Antarctica and wound up getting stranded and frozen in the expanding arctic ice. I think God enjoys embarassing fools and idiots. Been there a time or two myself!
Every once in a while you see a good interview with a climatologist who explains things like La Nina and El Nino and how our weather has been naturally cyclic for thousands of years.
Google George Carlin's take on "environmentalists" sometime, for a good laugh.
What I find really humorous about that ship of fools that got icebound? Nobody seems to appreciate the fact that it was the middle of SUMMER in the southern hemisphere when they got iced in!
The Big O is only doing what he promised during his first campaign. I cannot bear to listen to the man speak (I had the same reaction to Bill Clinton) and only listened to part of one campaign speech where he was selling green energy and promised that our utility bills would go up by as much as 300% .... and they cheered wildly??!!?? Did they actually hear what I heard???
Just as Obamacare has nothing to do with healthcare, this has noting to do with saving the environment. It's all about control. And while our current POTUS is the current spearhead, there is no doubt in my mind they just about every career politician is in alignment with him. There are just some that would prefer that it happen more slowly so as not to provoke us (like the frog in the pot).
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Location: Oz, Kansas | I guess I better have the hubby keep tabs on this. We are going to build another house in the next 5 years & will want to continue heating with a wood stove & maybe add in floor heat in the bathrooms. We are primarily wood heat now & only turn the heater on when it's supposed to be in single digits overnight just so it doesn't go below 65 & my bill is still around $180/month. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 3canstorun - 2014-02-27 9:41 AM ridejg - 2014-02-27 10:31 AM By the time Obama...the "king" will be done with this country...it will no longer be the Land of the Free...
God Help Us 
Seems a little far fetched, but my opinion is only for those who stick their head in the sand and say "America" is fine.
Not far fetched at all...Add to it why they want to disarm us. All this administration does is lie and we are allowing it. If he was all white he would have been impeached a long time ago. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | lookout hill - 2014-02-27 12:01 PM I guess I better have the hubby keep tabs on this. We are going to build another house in the next 5 years & will want to continue heating with a wood stove & maybe add in floor heat in the bathrooms. We are primarily wood heat now & only turn the heater on when it's supposed to be in single digits overnight just so it doesn't go below 65 & my bill is still around $180/month.
I'd go ahead and put in another wood stove. If anyone says anything, I'd tell them to stick it in their ass. Whose going to know anyway? I've about had it with these dirty rotten bastards. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | Three 4 Luck - 2014-02-27 10:31 AM
ndiehl - 2014-02-27 10:25 AM In my area they haven't made it illegal just very hard to get insurance (In Canada). They have a rule stating that if you live more then 15km from the closest fire department your not insurable if you have a wood burning stove and any type of burning gas furnace. 15km doesn't go very far when you in the middle of nowhere and I am 25+ Km from the nearest town... we decided insurance for our property was worth more to us over cheap heating and now have a geothermal furnace that is backed up by an electric one. But I do miss a nice wood burning stove, there is nothing like the warmth and coziness it gives; it's a completely different type of heat then what I have to me. ETA: Most places closer to town or in town that would meet the requirements ended up getting propane or were able to get the Natural gas pipe to their house so they don't burn either.
Did you know some European countries don't allow anyone to build houses outside of a town or village? You have to be grandfathered in to live in the country. People living in town are less self-sufficient. So many possibilities there to be exploited.
I didn't know there were countries that didn't allow it, but know of a lot of places over there where its hard too. We have an old family farm on the far outskirts of a town in Germany, unfortunately now its up against the town due to growth. My aunt has the house and it just got changed over from wood to a more environmentally friendly (I don't know what it is) source of heat. |
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | A Public Service Announcement:
I want to suggest a correction for those of you who are interested in discussing or disputing (or even those that are supportive) the concept of "global warming".
For you to be, speak and sound informed and knowledgeable about whatever side you are on, the correct term used by scientists and now some of the Obummer administration is "climate change". Its the term used by the Dept. of Interior.
"Climate change" as you might guess is the the weather extremes which they state are caused by a variety of natural and man-made impacts.
So now if its too cold or too hot, its climate change, they can take credit or blame no matter what the temps are.
Carry On. |
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| So you guys are all for the epa condemning multimillion dollar buildings because of mold but are up in arms over fireplaces? EPA is a typical govt entity that knows no bounds and will continue to grow and crush our economy and freedoms. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ndiehl - 2014-02-27 12:13 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-02-27 10:31 AM ndiehl - 2014-02-27 10:25 AM In my area they haven't made it illegal just very hard to get insurance (In Canada). They have a rule stating that if you live more then 15km from the closest fire department your not insurable if you have a wood burning stove and any type of burning gas furnace. 15km doesn't go very far when you in the middle of nowhere and I am 25+ Km from the nearest town... we decided insurance for our property was worth more to us over cheap heating and now have a geothermal furnace that is backed up by an electric one. But I do miss a nice wood burning stove, there is nothing like the warmth and coziness it gives; it's a completely different type of heat then what I have to me. ETA: Most places closer to town or in town that would meet the requirements ended up getting propane or were able to get the Natural gas pipe to their house so they don't burn either. Did you know some European countries don't allow anyone to build houses outside of a town or village? You have to be grandfathered in to live in the country. People living in town are less self-sufficient. So many possibilities there to be exploited. I didn't know there were countries that didn't allow it, but know of a lot of places over there where its hard too. We have an old family farm on the far outskirts of a town in Germany, unfortunately now its up against the town due to growth. My aunt has the house and it just got changed over from wood to a more environmentally friendly (I don't know what it is ) source of heat.
I know Switzerland is one of them. We rented farm land from a Swiss couple for many years and they sold us a little piece to build on. They were all excited that farmers could still live on the farm in the US. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Itsme - 2014-02-27 12:26 PM So you guys are all for the epa condemning multimillion dollar buildings because of mold but are up in arms over fireplaces? EPA is a typical govt entity that knows no bounds and will continue to grow and crush our economy and freedoms.
The EPA needs to go away--they have usurped a state power. I said that straight to one of our senators once and they seemed surprised I felt that way. The more centralized (read federalized) our government, the smaller our voices. The state of things is disgusting. |
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| I dont know all the details but I do know my father in law had to have his stove removed from his house by last week in order to keep his homeowners insurance due to it not passing new regulations. |
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