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| I was surprised Troy Crumrine didn't try to enter the American.He trained Mullberry Canyon Moon who won a couple of goes at the NFR.This cat can ride. |
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| Nita - 2014-03-04 12:13 AM jbhoot - 2014-03-04 12:08 AM hlynn - 2014-03-03 11:08 PM jbhoot - 2014-03-03 11:41 PMQuestion. Since the PRCA is open to all presently I assume that you are asking should the WPRA open up their membership to all. PRCA does not offer barrel racing WPRA runs them in conjunction with PRCA. It really is up to the Rodeo promoter to choose which association they go with and who's rules they use. RFD American did not use PRCA or WPRA rules. So in one since rodeos are open to all presently under some associations but not under the WPRA. Ok. So where is it stated that the PRCA is open to women also?I had no idea the allowed women into the PRCA. That's why the WPRA was started, wasn't it? To allow girls to rodeo in any event they want?I mean, it's called the Pro Rodeo CowBOYS Assn. So I figured since they refer to all card holders as "he, him, his or cowboy (s )" that it was only open to men. Did they amend the rules and I missed it? Under the bylaws B1.O.1 No discrimination. And under B1.O.3. Gender. The way I read them it is open to any one that is 18 years old and has a S.S. card. Thanks for the info, jbhoot... I wonder why we don't see more women in the other events. Is it just tradition, or do the women who try get some hostility for it? Would love to hear from some women who have tried it. I also wonder why PRCA hasn't included barrel racing since the other events are open?
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| hlynn - 2014-03-04 12:13 AMEveryone should be allowed to compete equally. Women in roping and rough stock. Men in barrels. I would love to see the kind of woman to qualify in steer wrestling. If the men are any indication, those will be some stout ladies for sure. I would love to see an even playing field across the board. Guys have more strength so they are favored in rough stock and steer wrestling. Ladies are more petite so they are favored in barrels. And weight plays a HUGE factor in speed. Learned this when the 3/4D mare we sold is now winning the 1D with a youth rider. And upper body strength is needed for the rough stock. The ladies will have to play by the men's rules. No two hands in bareback or bulls. No holding the pommel in saddle bronc. Everyone plays the same game. How many women do you think would compete as you describe? How many women do you know that are in rodeo who would do that? Ladies aren't favored over men in the barrel racing because of size, strength, or talent.
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| Didn't the PRCA try to take over the WPRA a few years back? Or was that simply the lawsuit the one male barrel racer brought against the WPRA?
I seem to remember a huge blow up about the PRCA and the WPRA over the barrel race at the NFR. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-03 11:14 PM I'm older so I would like to see it staying traditional. There is just so much changes that is going on with the U.S and I would hate to see this happen to our Rodeos, needs to stay the same. There is enough of Barrel races that are huge, with awesome pay outs they we women love sharing with the men no problems there 
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Location: NC | SKM - 2014-03-04 7:18 AM
Didn't the PRCA try to take over the WPRA a few years back? Or was that simply the lawsuit the one male barrel racer brought against the WPRA?
I seem to remember a huge blow up about the PRCA and the WPRA over the barrel race at the NFR.
Yup. The PWBRA wasn't it? In 2009 or so I want to say.
I'm not saying there are women out there capable of doing the other events. Just like they're aren't many women capable of combat roles. But everyone wants to see them have a chance, don't they? Then why not the men in barrels? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | SKM - 2014-03-04 6:18 AM Didn't the PRCA try to take over the WPRA a few years back? Or was that simply the lawsuit the one male barrel racer brought against the WPRA?
I seem to remember a huge blow up about the PRCA and the WPRA over the barrel race at the NFR.
Yes the PRCA did take the barrel racing for a short time. The whole thing was riddled with lawsuit after lawsuit and in the end, the WPRA got the barrel racing back. It was short lived.
The lawsuit brought on by a male over the barrel racing was 20+ maybe even 30 years ago. It was brought by Lance Graves sueing the WPRA and he lost that suit. He sued for loss of wages and you cant claim loss of wages when their is no base pay. Any time you run down that alley there is no gaurantee you are going to make money. Now, HAD he sued for discrimination, he would probably win. Especially today.
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Location: Where I am happiest | sodapop - 2014-03-04 5:31 AM Nita - 2014-03-04 12:13 AM jbhoot - 2014-03-04 12:08 AM hlynn - 2014-03-03 11:08 PM jbhoot - 2014-03-03 11:41 PMQuestion. Since the PRCA is open to all presently I assume that you are asking should the WPRA open up their membership to all. PRCA does not offer barrel racing WPRA runs them in conjunction with PRCA. It really is up to the Rodeo promoter to choose which association they go with and who's rules they use. RFD American did not use PRCA or WPRA rules. So in one since rodeos are open to all presently under some associations but not under the WPRA. Ok. So where is it stated that the PRCA is open to women also?I had no idea the allowed women into the PRCA. That's why the WPRA was started, wasn't it? To allow girls to rodeo in any event they want?I mean, it's called the Pro Rodeo CowBOYS Assn. So I figured since they refer to all card holders as "he, him, his or cowboy (s )" that it was only open to men. Did they amend the rules and I missed it? Under the bylaws B1.O.1 No discrimination. And under B1.O.3. Gender. The way I read them it is open to any one that is 18 years old and has a S.S. card. Thanks for the info, jbhoot... I wonder why we don't see more women in the other events. Is it just tradition, or do the women who try get some hostility for it? Would love to hear from some women who have tried it. I also wonder why PRCA hasn't included barrel racing since the other events are open? I put that out there about the PRCA & why they don't just have barrel racing in their association. The PRCA obviously doesn't want men in the barrel racing or they would make it happen since they are really a man's association. If they did, there's always a possibility one year you would see an NFR without a woman in it. There's a much better chance for a man and several of them to qualify in barrel racing than there is for one woman to qualify in any of the other events. Do you all know lots of women roughstock riders that could physically go to the number of rodeos it takes to qualify for the NFR let alone have the physical ability to ride at that level? How many women want to steer wrestle or could physically do that at 70+ rodeos a year to qualify? The comments that each event should be open to everyone just doesn't really hold since very few women could or would compete in those events. There used to be all women rodeos with all the events except I think steer wrestling & even those roughstock events had modifications like riding two handed....why don't they still have them? Not enough contestants. I have no dog in this fight, just things to consider.
Most women dont go compete in the other events BUT, they CAN if they so chose. The door is open there but barrel racing it is not open. Thats the only event. |
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Location: Mi | I am also going to be the odd man out. I beleive rodeos need to stay with CowGIRLS Barrel Racing, its a tradition, there are six other event, seven if you count the steer tripping for the men to compete in, do they really need another?! Women athletes in any sport do not make near the money male athletes do, nor do they have the amount of sports or opportunities male athletes do. Why take something else away from them! Men can barrel race anywehre else, and run for as much and in many cases more at the futurities and big barrel races as they can at a rodeo, do they really need to be able to enter the rodeos too?! I'm not against competing against men at barrel races etc, and I'm not against men being able to compete at barrel races etc. I just beleive they should stay out of the rodeos. Just my opinion! |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | CYA Ranch - 2014-03-05 6:27 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-03 11:14 PM I'm older so I would like to see it staying traditional. There is just so much changes that is going on with the U.S and I would hate to see this happen to our Rodeos, needs to stay the same. There is enough of Barrel races that are huge, with awesome pay outs they we women love sharing with the men no problems there
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| I just wanted to be clear that the PRCA is open for ANYONE OF ANY GENDER to enter ANY event. The WPRA is an invited guest at the rodeos. As for the WPRA they are able to exist as is because they are a Women's Only association. No different than Indian Rodeo Association or High School Rodeo. There are certain rules you have to be within in order to compete in each of those association.
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Location: The edge of no where | I liked that they American was nothing but an open horse race. Perhaps there would be fewer cat fights and the ground might get more attention at rodeos if they also let the guys in. There's really no advantage to either gender in barrel racing. Open it up and let the best team win. |
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Location: Kentucky | Open it up to all. I understand why people disagree, but heck, Danica is running in NASCAR, which I thought would never happen. Ashley Force and her sisters have beaten all the boys in drag racing, so who cares.
I still don't think the number of men will outweigh the women running. Most men don't want to run in rodeos for fear of being teased, and I don't know about your areas, but women still outnumber the men at local jackpots. Men are good riders, and good barrel racers. I've seen some awesome women team ropers too. So really, why not? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | For those of you who don't quite understand the rules used at The American.......
There was NO one set of rules (ie. PRCA/WPRA) used. The Rough stock riders were run under a rough stock association rules (like the NO "mark out" rule being used). The bull riding was run under the PBR rules and the barrel racing was run under the BBR rules....THAT is the only reason that men (and under 18 year olds) were allowed to compete.
Additionally, every man in the U.S was allowed to compete to qualify.....how many did? Apparently, most were not that concerned with being able to run at a rodeo. |
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Location: North Dakota | I think it should be seperate. For me barrel racing is a womans sport, sorry if I anger anyone but that is how I feel. I have nothing against men, I am married to one, but some sports are for women and some for men period! |
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Location: The edge of no where | NJJ - 2014-03-04 8:44 AM For those of you who don't quite understand the rules used at The American.......
There was NO one set of rules (ie. PRCA/WPRA) used. The Rough stock riders were run under a rough stock association rules (like the NO "mark out" rule being used). The bull riding was run under the PBR rules and the barrel racing was run under the BBR rules....THAT is the only reason that men (and under 18 year olds) were allowed to compete.
Additionally, every man in the U.S was allowed to compete to qualify.....how many did? Apparently, most were not that concerned with being able to run at a rodeo.
I saw where quite a few of the tougher guys entered the qualifiers, but didn't get qualified. I wouldn't think that they entered 'because they wanted to run at a rodeo', doubt anyone cares....but entered to have a shot at $1,000,000. |
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Location: The edge of no where | angelica - 2014-03-04 8:45 AM I think it should be seperate. For me barrel racing is a womans sport, sorry if I anger anyone but that is how I feel. I have nothing against men, I am married to one, but some sports are for women and some for men period!
So do you feel that women should be able to team rope?
We would all !@#$%^&*()_)(*&^%$#@#$% if they told us we couldn't enter something because we're women. Kinda hypocritical to turn around and say, 'only girls get to play'. |
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Location: Online | NJJ - 2014-03-04 7:44 AM For those of you who don't quite understand the rules used at The American.......
There was NO one set of rules (ie. PRCA/WPRA) used. The Rough stock riders were run under a rough stock association rules (like the NO "mark out" rule being used). The bull riding was run under the PBR rules and the barrel racing was run under the BBR rules....THAT is the only reason that men (and under 18 year olds) were allowed to compete.
Additionally, every man in the U.S was allowed to compete to qualify.....how many did? Apparently, most were not that concerned with being able to run at a rodeo. Thank you. 
I don't know why we're discussing this - other than it's something to talk about. It's comparing apples and oranges. The American is completely separate from PRCA and WPRA. They designed it that way, it's an OPEN rodeo. Any open rodeo I have been to allowed men in barrel racing as well as women in the roping and even rough stock events. They didn't get any of those entries, but they were allowed. The only thing that had anything to do with those associations were the invites. Which I think the PRCA and WPRA should have had to qualify too. Or at least only take the top 5, maybe.... It's a chance for those who don't have the ability to haul enough to make the NFR or go to the bigger money rodeos to compete for that amount of money. I loved the fact that there were some "no names" (for lack of a better term) who made it to the shootout.
As for men in the WPRA....... I will continue to keep that to myself.
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Location: Washington | rodeomom13 - 2014-03-04 7:00 AM NJJ - 2014-03-04 7:44 AM For those of you who don't quite understand the rules used at The American.......
There was NO one set of rules (ie. PRCA/WPRA) used. The Rough stock riders were run under a rough stock association rules (like the NO "mark out" rule being used). The bull riding was run under the PBR rules and the barrel racing was run under the BBR rules....THAT is the only reason that men (and under 18 year olds) were allowed to compete.
Additionally, every man in the U.S was allowed to compete to qualify.....how many did? Apparently, most were not that concerned with being able to run at a rodeo. Thank you.
I don't know why we're discussing this - other than it's something to talk about. It's comparing apples and oranges. The American is completely separate from PRCA and WPRA. They designed it that way, it's an OPEN rodeo. Any open rodeo I have been to allowed men in barrel racing as well as women in the roping and even rough stock events. They didn't get any of those entries, but they were allowed. The only thing that had anything to do with those associations were the invites. Which I think the PRCA and WPRA should have had to qualify too. Or at least only take the top 5, maybe.... It's a chance for those who don't have the ability to haul enough to make the NFR or go to the bigger money rodeos to compete for that amount of money. I loved the fact that there were some "no names" (for lack of a better term) who made it to the shootout.
As for men in the WPRA....... I will continue to keep that to myself.
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