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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-03-06 10:30 AM This article is not science that lady has no credentials Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Exactly. I'm all for holoistic, BUT it should stand up to sound scientific scrutiny. I can't stand quackery. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | barrelracr131 - 2014-03-06 10:30 AM This article is not science that lady has no credentials Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
 HEY....It is on the internet so it MUST be true....Bon Jour
Really folks....any blogger can take excerpts from numerous sources "out of context" and make a case for any statement! |
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Location: Here | LRQHS - 2014-03-06 10:33 AM Water can be toxic if you drink too much.
LOL I was going to say the same thing |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-03-06 11:15 AM
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-06 9:33 AM
lindseylou2290 - 2014-03-06 8:37 AM If you feed too much of any one thing, it can then result in a toxicity of sorts. Do your own research, contact a state extension agent in your local area to help you balance your rations to avoid toxicity. I have fed beet pulp with no bad side issues - but I made sure that my ration was balanced and the horse was getting everything it required. I know for a fact our local county extension agent for agriculture knows less about feeding horses than I do. When someone calls him with a question, he calls me. 
Ha! Now that is funny! Perhaps I am spoiled as I live near the state University and we have a specialist in equine nutrition that I've called a few time :) |
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | So here's a little info from the ag side on beet pulp....currently the sugar beet industry is trying to cut back on the tonnage of beets and focus greatly on sugar content. What that means is less bulk tonnage more beet sugar concentrate if that makes any sense. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | lindseylou2290 - 2014-03-06 11:17 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-06 9:33 AM lindseylou2290 - 2014-03-06 8:37 AM If you feed too much of any one thing, it can then result in a toxicity of sorts. Do your own research, contact a state extension agent in your local area to help you balance your rations to avoid toxicity. I have fed beet pulp with no bad side issues - but I made sure that my ration was balanced and the horse was getting everything it required. I know for a fact our local county extension agent for agriculture knows less about feeding horses than I do. When someone calls him with a question, he calls me. Ha! Now that is funny! Perhaps I am spoiled as I live near the state University and we have a specialist in equine nutrition that I've called a few time : )
I have to confess our state specialist is fairly knowledgeable. And I'm married to our county Ag agent...he's an excellent row crops guy, but we don't have enough livestock in this area for him to need to be up on feed and forage.  |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | docschic - 2014-03-06 11:21 AM So here's a little info from the ag side on beet pulp....currently the sugar beet industry is trying to cut back on the tonnage of beets and focus greatly on sugar content. What that means is less bulk tonnage more beet sugar concentrate if that makes any sense.
So you're saying in the future beet pulp could be less plentiful? |
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-06 11:30 AM docschic - 2014-03-06 11:21 AM So here's a little info from the ag side on beet pulp....currently the sugar beet industry is trying to cut back on the tonnage of beets and focus greatly on sugar content. What that means is less bulk tonnage more beet sugar concentrate if that makes any sense. So you're saying in the future beet pulp could be less plentiful?
Good possibility....everyone is trying to reduce green house gases before the General Mills and Wal-Marts of the world tell us what we HAVE to do in order for them to do business with us as producers. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I have fed beet pulp off and on over the last few years. I didn't notice anything bad. It did put weight on any hard keepers I had.
But lets look at this with logic. ANY product grown by a commercial grower is going to have pesticides, fertilizers and other products to increase yield. Hay and grain we feed has that too. But all of that is regulated.
There are no specifics in the article. Testing or other scientific reasons why beet pulp might not be healthy...or less healthy than any other forage.
To the person that said it is recommended to feed with alfalfa...I have to wonder why. Calcium and phosphorus needs to be fed in balance of roughly 1.5 to 1 in the total ration of a horse. BP has a 15 to 1 ratio. Alfalfa has a 5 to 1 ratio. Alfalfa is high in calcium and beet pulp is high in calcium. They are very similar in that quality. So if BP and Alfalfa are fed together, they don't compliment each other. They actually amplify the faults they both have. If you feed more than 50% of the total diet's forage in PB's presoaked weight per day, you probably need to supplement with a ration balancer intended for a straight alfalfa diet.
I never used BP to replace forage. I've used it to increase the calory content of the diet without increasing grain in a hard keeper. I could see someone getting in trouble using it as something more than to augment the hay portion of the diet or to replace the grain portion of the diet without the proper supplement. |
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| My advice is to go to a sugar beet processing plant and check it out for yourself. I did and I will never feed beet pulp again.
The amount of chemicals in this stuff is unbelievable. Chemical fertilizers and pesticides used when the plant is growing, heavy chemical agents that they wash the sugar beets in once they are harvested, and heavy chemicals that they process the "pulp" with was enough for me to stop feeding it.
And my horses have done way better. JMHO.......
Do your homework. Go to a sugar beet facility and then make your own decision. |
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Location: Iowa | I also was reading from a "holistic" that beet pulp is crap and filled with all the above plus GMOs!! Makes me sad because I'm a big beet pulp advocate and just bought a big bag not too long ago. Dont know what to do with it! |
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| Evittranch - 2014-03-06 4:34 PM I also was reading from a "holistic" that beet pulp is crap and filled with all the above plus GMOs!! Makes me sad because I'm a big beet pulp advocate and just bought a big bag not too long ago. Dont know what to do with it!
me too :( |
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| There was an article doing its rounds on Facebook. Written by a equine vet that said there was no long term negative effects to feeding beet pulp.
I have never fed it, and won't as I don't have to, but I would say creditablility wise, both studies leave out too many unanswered questions.
As for the person who toured the plant, this would be more info I would like to see on all products, is the processing and manufacturing |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Evittranch - 2014-03-06 4:34 PM I also was reading from a "holistic" that beet pulp is crap and filled with all the above plus GMOs!! Makes me sad because I'm a big beet pulp advocate and just bought a big bag not too long ago. Dont know what to do with it!
Corn, soybeans, rice, and some alfalfa are GMO as well, and they all use fertilizer and pesticides. What are you going to feed a horse that's not? |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-06 5:15 PM Evittranch - 2014-03-06 4:34 PM I also was reading from a "holistic" that beet pulp is crap and filled with all the above plus GMOs!! Makes me sad because I'm a big beet pulp advocate and just bought a big bag not too long ago. Dont know what to do with it! Corn, soybeans, rice, and some alfalfa are GMO as well, and they all use fertilizer and pesticides. What are you going to feed a horse that's not?
yep, not much out there to chose from that I have found. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | phoenix - 2014-03-06 3:33 PM
My advice is to go to a sugar beet processing plant and check it out for yourself. I did and I will never feed beet pulp again.
The amount of chemicals in this stuff is unbelievable. Chemical fertilizers and pesticides used when the plant is growing, heavy chemical agents that they wash the sugar beets in once they are harvested, and heavy chemicals that they process the "pulp" with was enough for me to stop feeding it.
And my horses have done way better. JMHO.......
Do your homework. Go to a sugar beet facility and then make your own decision.
Another case of a person who has no REAL knowledge of the so-called heavy chemicals used in beet processing. They are processed to make sucrose (and food grade juice, etc) and the chemicals used are FDA approved and are used in most processing plants. Additionally, you had better not ever feed ANY kind of processed feed that includes corn, oats, soy bean, etc....all have been sprayed with fertilizer and pesticides....
and YES....I have done my research....in fact, I worked at GPC (Kent Feeds) in the Research Labs for 10 years......just saying..... |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-03-06 5:15 PM
Evittranch - 2014-03-06 4:34 PM I also was reading from a "holistic" that beet pulp is crap and filled with all the above plus GMOs!! Makes me sad because I'm a big beet pulp advocate and just bought a big bag not too long ago. Dont know what to do with it!
Corn, soybeans, rice, and some alfalfa are GMO as well, and they all use fertilizer and pesticides. What are you going to feed a horse that's not?
You make a good point,
I guess I will keep feeding our home grown feed, and keep my rosé coloured glasses on regarding the ulcer and joint supplements I feed my horses. |
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| Dont forget about the sh!! That is on the feed tag like wheat middlings, distillers grain, and all that other stuff on the bag as i dont feed a processed feed. Athough people may laugh at me but my 19 year old mare has quit cribbing and my geldingmhas stopped stall walking i give a general ration balancer that has vitimans and mimerals and added fat as with what i feed needs added fat. |
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