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Location: in the ozone | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-09 6:18 PM
FirstFirewater - 2014-03-09 6:59 PM
Some seem to find it beneath them to worry about what others do or say- I'm just trying to discuss if you've noticed it, and if it ever irks you. Personally whoa/hoe is stop to my horses :)
I do find this comment to be rude.
I have to focus on my own horses, my own run, I don't need to be distracted with what someone else is doing. If I have a free moment after my run or while I am waiting, I would rather spend my time visiting with friends then tearing apart someone's run.
There are so many different ways to train a successful barrel horse, the only thing that matters is if the rider is having fun.
isn't this kind of like the pot calling the kettle black??
at any rate, if I "say" anything, it's "hey" or easy. |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | Most of the time I'm to busy just trying to stay centered in my turns to say anything... but if I do I will say hey or easy for a rate usually after I sit and something nasty when I get whiplashed because I can't seem to get up and out of a turn. Then of course the run is so quick I'm thanking Jesus that we both had a safe run and I can run another day.  |
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Location: Benton City, WA | dhdqhllc - 2014-03-09 5:43 PM i think that using whoa/hoe to check a horse says a lot about someone's training if that's their method.....and that they don't figure there's much use for their horse other than barrels....
I think that statement is absurd and judgemental. I do say whoa at the barrels, if I need more rate. I don't pull on a horse or check them for rate. I would rather use my body position and voice (if needed) to cue them. What exactly is wrong with that?
I do use my horses for things other than barrels, BTW. My horses aren't stupid- they know the difference when I say it at a barrel or riding around. And no I don't pull on them to stop either. When I say sit down and say whoa, It means get on your ass now. It works for me.
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-03-09 7:43 PM
i think that using whoa/hoe to check a horse says a lot about someone's training if that's their method.....and that they don't figure there's much use for their horse other than barrels....
Here is my philosophy
Reiners don't say whoa, they sit, the horse stops, how I was taught to stop a horse by a reining trainer was to sit first, then say whoa pick up the reins and back the horse to where you sat.
Therefore if you sit your horse should be stopping.
In barrels when trainers teach you to go to your rate point, and sit to teach the horse to rate. Most will get the rider to stop at the rate point to over emphasize the importance of rating. Most people when they stop will say whoa, at this rate point as they want their horse to stop (talking just starting a horse)
So how many people when starting a horse on barrels don't say whoa when stopping at the rate point?
Also going back to the reiners stop, shouldn't the horse be stopping when you sit for the turn if the horse is Reiner broke? What is the difference between sitting if that is how the horse learned to stop, or by saying whoa?
Horses are intelligent animals, with proper patterning whatever cues a person uses and however the horse was trained, the horse will figure out what the person is requiring of them in and out of the arena. |
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| Ran one horse that if you said woah he would stop. Hard. My horse now he doesn't care if you say anything or not he turns the same. |
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Location: Benton City, WA | I guess my thought would be that pulling and hanging on the horse to rate and turn is much more telling on the "training methods" than someone using whoa as a verbal cue.
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | slipperyslope - 2014-03-09 9:14 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-03-09 6:18 PM
FirstFirewater - 2014-03-09 6:59 PM
Some seem to find it beneath them to worry about what others do or say- I'm just trying to discuss if you've noticed it, and if it ever irks you. Personally whoa/hoe is stop to my horses :)
I do find this comment to be rude.
I have to focus on my own horses, my own run, I don't need to be distracted with what someone else is doing. If I have a free moment after my run or while I am waiting, I would rather spend my time visiting with friends then tearing apart someone's run.
There are so many different ways to train a successful barrel horse, the only thing that matters is if the rider is having fun.
isn't this kind of like the pot calling the kettle black??
at any rate, if I "say" anything, it's "hey" or easy.
couldn't have said it better myself. Although that's not why I posted |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | LeterBuck - 2014-03-09 9:53 PM
Ran one horse that if you said woah he would stop. Hard. My horse now he doesn't care if you say anything or not he turns the same.
that's always my fear that if I said it my guy would stop so hard I'd fly by myself to third lol |
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Location: North MS | I admit- I say ho. Not even long enough to add an e to the end. Sometimes I'm called Santa Claus. I just say it for extra reinforcement. MIT for me than them. |
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Location: Benton City, WA | FirstFirewater - 2014-03-09 8:03 PM LeterBuck - 2014-03-09 9:53 PM Ran one horse that if you said woah he would stop. Hard. My horse now he doesn't care if you say anything or not he turns the same. that's always my fear that if I said it my guy would stop so hard I'd fly by myself to third lol
Yeah its not something that I would just go out and try during a run on a finished horse, thats for sure.
I train my own, so its just a part of the training, and slow work. If the horse gets really ratey, then clearly I'm not going to be saying whoa! |
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| Saying "hoe" with anything to do with horses has always seemed weird to me. Always sounded like baby talk for whoa. I cue with hand signals. Lol
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Location: Texas! | I have to agree with Cheryl...on the sit deep stop and sorry my horse doesn't stop when making a full out run and I sit too deep. He knows his job and that it's go time. Same if someone happens to says whoa during a run your horse is not going to think stop with all that momentum going but most likely OK time to slow this speed wagon down.
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Location: Central Montana | Hoe??? A hoe is a garden tool or a Ho is someone who stands on a corner. Seriously, why would anyone use "hoe" as a voice command?
I agree with Cheryl, if using proper horsemanship skills a horse is taught to slow and stop by how the rider uses their body in the saddle. Talking to them while running shouldn't be necesarry and unless you are really screaming chances are they can't hear you anyhow. It must just make a rider feel better. |
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Location: Texas! | bennie1 - 2014-03-09 10:16 PM This is in the top 3 most ridiculous threads ever posted on this board.
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| Well I was taught "hoe/ho" sounds too much like "no" so I say "whoa" and that means stop your feet. They all learn it from the first time I touch them. "Hey" is the attention getter & "easy" is to slow it down or relax. So depending on the response I want, that's what I say. I got out of the habit of saying "whoa" to rate when I ran a reiner. Whoa and sitting down at an increased rate of speed meant slide stop. I only got dashboarded 10 or so times before I finally learned to quit that habit. |
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| slipperyslope - 2014-03-09 9:14 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-03-09 6:18 PM
FirstFirewater - 2014-03-09 6:59 PM
Some seem to find it beneath them to worry about what others do or say- I'm just trying to discuss if you've noticed it, and if it ever irks you. Personally whoa/hoe is stop to my horses :)
I do find this comment to be rude.
I have to focus on my own horses, my own run, I don't need to be distracted with what someone else is doing. If I have a free moment after my run or while I am waiting, I would rather spend my time visiting with friends then tearing apart someone's run.
There are so many different ways to train a successful barrel horse, the only thing that matters is if the rider is having fun.
isn't this kind of like the pot calling the kettle black??
at any rate, if I "say" anything, it's "hey" or easy.
What I got from the op's comment is that she is insinuating that since some of us don't notice how people are cueing their horses, that rudely she is saying we think, we the people who don't notice what other people do, that we are better then everyone at the barrel race.
I don't know the op, still think that she was insulting the riders who don't notice or pay attention to how other people ride.
As I said, I would rather spend the time on my horse preparing for my run, or visiting with my friends, this does not make me any better or worse then any other barrel racer.
I also believe a good horse person if they did notice someone saying whoa at the barrel instead of being disturbed by it, reflect with an open mind and ask the question why would someone do this, what would the point be, and should I be integrating this into my practice.
A good horse person doesn't quit learning and looks at everything with an open mind, as a good horse person knows not all horses are the same, and some training methods needs to be tweaked.
Myself, I am still learning, I try to go to a barrel clinic yearly, I also attend seminars on horse topics such as bits, saddle fit, reining demos. I also have friends that I can ride with that have cutting and working cow background that will give me pointers/suggestions.
To me there is only one individual who is qualified to judge a person, that is definitely not me. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-03-09 11:58 PM
slipperyslope - 2014-03-09 9:14 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-03-09 6:18 PM
FirstFirewater - 2014-03-09 6:59 PM
Some seem to find it beneath them to worry about what others do or say- I'm just trying to discuss if you've noticed it, and if it ever irks you. Personally whoa/hoe is stop to my horses :)
I do find this comment to be rude.
I have to focus on my own horses, my own run, I don't need to be distracted with what someone else is doing. If I have a free moment after my run or while I am waiting, I would rather spend my time visiting with friends then tearing apart someone's run.
There are so many different ways to train a successful barrel horse, the only thing that matters is if the rider is having fun.
isn't this kind of like the pot calling the kettle black??
at any rate, if I "say" anything, it's "hey" or easy.
What I got from the op's comment is that she is insinuating that since some of us don't notice how people are cueing their horses, that rudely she is saying we think, we the people who don't notice what other people do, that we are better then everyone at the barrel race.
I don't know the op, still think that she was insulting the riders who don't notice or pay attention to how other people ride.
As I said, I would rather spend the time on my horse preparing for my run, or visiting with my friends, this does not make me any better or worse then any other barrel racer.
I also believe a good horse person if they did notice someone saying whoa at the barrel instead of being disturbed by it, reflect with an open mind and ask the question why would someone do this, what would the point be, and should I be integrating this into my practice.
A good horse person doesn't quit learning and looks at everything with an open mind, as a good horse person knows not all horses are the same, and some training methods needs to be tweaked.
Myself, I am still learning, I try to go to a barrel clinic yearly, I also attend seminars on horse topics such as bits, saddle fit, reining demos. I also have friends that I can ride with that have cutting and working cow background that will give me pointers/suggestions.
To me there is only one individual who is qualified to judge a person, that is definitely not me.
Ok well on that note, I'll say I am the type of person that notices what other people do simply because I'm an observer, a people watcher. Therefore, I notice when people yell or scream things at their horses during a run, or warming up or whatever. If they're just talking to their horse, I generally don't notice it because it doesn't draw my attention. However, I do note in my head during a run when a jockey starts yelling whoa and the horse doesn't pay any attention. I can see the run off, the blown barrel, the knock, from a figurative mile away. Generally I think to myself that the poor horse was set up to fail and/or doesn't know what a true whoa is in my book at least. I don't think I'm necessarily "judging" someone. I may be thinking "well I maybe would try this, do that, think about something else for that horse" and I can't say I've ever worried about being judged from above for it. If anything, I think I'd be doing exactly what you said, attempting to be a good horseperson with an open mind to learn from what others do... |
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Location: WYOMING | Sweet! Guess my horses are smarter than your average horse... they stop and stand to whoa AND they prepare to turn to whoa, when I remember to say something. Whoda thunk I have always had above average intelligence horses!
Whats Spanish or Chinese for whoa? They are so smat Im gonna teach them a secord or third language!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | WYOracer - 2014-03-09 11:35 PM
bennie1 - 2014-03-09 10:16 PM This is in the top 3 most ridiculous threads ever posted on this board.
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