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TurnNBurn-3Barrels
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2015-03-03 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: National Anthems and hats



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 I was taught along the lines of religion and not just that women had their hats pinned on. It is to symbolize that women were under the protection of God and men to show their respect to God took theirs off, but that is just the way I was taught, so I do not remove mine.

ETA: I guess that was more along the lines of prayer and not national anthems but I don't remove mine for national anthems either. 


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RodeoGirlJodi
Reg. Jul 2013
Posted 2015-03-03 10:03 AM
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Once I get that thing on, I leave it on.  I think it would be more disrespectful to show my awful hat hair lol!  But, I always do put my hand over my heart. 
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kramerica
Reg. Oct 2005
Posted 2015-03-03 11:38 AM
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I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore?
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TessBelle
Reg. Mar 2014
Posted 2015-03-03 12:37 PM
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If I'm doing a queens presentation it's usally pinned hair sprayed and taped so it would be too much trouble to take it off. Any other time I take it off. I noticed at Open World in the walk out for finals I was one of the few women to take mine off but I don't see why a man should have to but a woman shouldn't. I don't think it should matter.
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dianeguinn
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2015-03-03 12:55 PM
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kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM

I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore?

No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
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rachellyn80
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2015-03-03 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: National Anthems and hats



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Gunner11 - 2014-03-11 8:38 AM I thought everybody was supposed to take it off, but now I know women don't HAVE to. When I was watching The American, I noticed the female participants didn't remove their hats. My initial thought was "man, that's disrespectful" but then I realized their hats were probably pinned on and not easily removed.

The announcer actually said something to the effect of "gentlemen remove your hats for the national anthem"...
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2015-03-03 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: National Anthems and hats



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I'm old and men took off their hats and women put their hand over their heart. Now the younger generation are reading and texting while the Anthem is played. 
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sodapop
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2015-03-03 10:12 PM
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dianeguinn - 2015-03-03 12:55 PM
kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore?
No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
We do the pledge to the American flag and the Oklahoma flag every morning led over the intercom by some part of our school administration.  I don't know about middle school or high school, but this is in elementary.  I thought it was required in Oklahoma to do both.  Maybe not.  In recent years we had to start including the Oklahoma pledge as well.  Maybe only the elementary schools do it.  Students are taught to put their right hand over their heart.  If a student or parent requested the child not be required to do the pledges, then of course they could be exempt. We also have a moment of silence to which I believe is required in Oklahoma.  Don't know if every school does it or not. 

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redmansmyman11
Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2015-03-03 10:26 PM
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dianeguinn - 2015-03-03 12:55 PM
kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore?
No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
We do the pledge to the American flag and the Oklahoma flag every morning led over the intercom by some part of our school administration.  I don't know about middle school or high school, but this is in elementary.  I thought it was required in Oklahoma to do both.  Maybe not.  In recent years we had to start including the Oklahoma pledge as well.  Maybe only the elementary schools do it.  Students are taught to put their right hand over their heart.  If a student or parent requested the child not be required to do the pledges, then of course they could be exempt. We also have a moment of silence to which I believe is required in Oklahoma.  Don't know if every school does it or not. 

I student teach 6th grade in Idaho and we have the pledge every morning as well.
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dashnlotti
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2015-03-03 10:54 PM
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sodapop - 2015-03-03 10:12 PM
dianeguinn - 2015-03-03 12:55 PM
kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore?
No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
We do the pledge to the American flag and the Oklahoma flag every morning led over the intercom by some part of our school administration.  I don't know about middle school or high school, but this is in elementary.  I thought it was required in Oklahoma to do both.  Maybe not.  In recent years we had to start including the Oklahoma pledge as well.  Maybe only the elementary schools do it.  Students are taught to put their right hand over their heart.  If a student or parent requested the child not be required to do the pledges, then of course they could be exempt. We also have a moment of silence to which I believe is required in Oklahoma.  Don't know if every school does it or not. 

The HS (actually preK-12 all one campus) I graduated from does the pledge and prayer over intercom each morning.  They get away with the prayer because it is led by a volunteer student.  If there isn't a student on a particular day, an adult leads the pledge and then has a moment of silence.  I don't remember many days when there wasn't a prayer though.  
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EqualRanch
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-03-03 10:55 PM
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My children go to the same school I went too, (town population less than 700) and still say the pedge, the state song of Texas and a prayer. There has never been a parent complain or get upset. 

OP - It honestly depends on how my hair is done. I always put my hand over my heart and sing along! LOL
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2015-03-03 11:34 PM
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Nevertooold - 2015-03-03 1:41 PM

I'm old and men took off their hats and women put their hand over their heart. Now the younger generation are reading and texting while the Anthem is played. 

It would be at this point where I took my hand off my heart and hat off my head and whacked "the younger generation" with both. Respect for those men and women and that flag isn't negotiable in my house.
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ghost rider
Reg. Jun 2005
Posted 2015-03-03 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: National Anthems and hats


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missroselee - 2014-03-10 8:34 PM I was taught men remove cover, woman don't.  But I always remove mine.  I'm not so different from a man that I can't do the same to show respect. 

Ditto. 
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Griz
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-03-04 5:47 AM
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I take my hat off and put my hand over my heart - I'm not that vain that I worry about what my hair looks like!
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hlynn
Reg. Dec 2011
Posted 2015-03-04 7:00 AM
Subject: RE: National Anthems and hats


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Take off the hat no matter what gender you are. You can pin/tape/spray it down again later. Tradition or religious excuses don't trump respect to me. Maybe I'm weird but I always take off my hat.

And stand still!!!! If your horse won't stand, get off and go somewhere away from the arena. That irks me like none other. It's 2 minutes of your time. Take of your hat and stand still. It isn't that hard.
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melaself
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2015-03-04 7:33 AM
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It all goes to show just how very little people know about respect and the rules of etiquette these days 
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Just Plain Lucky
Reg. Jun 2008
Posted 2015-03-04 8:06 AM
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I don't usually wear hats, but when I was in HS marching band we all took them off. Now I just put my hand over my heart and sing along (quietly, I can't sing LOL). 
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NJJ
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2015-03-04 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: National Anthems and hats


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There IS actually a U.S Code to cover this issue....Women are not required to remove cover........
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem
Current through Pub. L. 113-296, except 113-287, 113-291, 113-295.
 
(a) Designation.— The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing.— During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

 
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pinx05
Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2015-03-04 12:22 PM
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dashnlotti - 2015-03-03 10:54 PM
sodapop - 2015-03-03 10:12 PM
dianeguinn - 2015-03-03 12:55 PM
kramerica - 2015-03-03 11:38 AM I notice a lot of the younger generations (20somethings and under) don't put their hand over their heart. We were taught that in school, do they not teach that anymore?
No, they're not. The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer said every morning, so they don't know they're supposed to do that unless they're taught at home. Respect is a thing of the past. :/
We do the pledge to the American flag and the Oklahoma flag every morning led over the intercom by some part of our school administration.  I don't know about middle school or high school, but this is in elementary.  I thought it was required in Oklahoma to do both.  Maybe not.  In recent years we had to start including the Oklahoma pledge as well.  Maybe only the elementary schools do it.  Students are taught to put their right hand over their heart.  If a student or parent requested the child not be required to do the pledges, then of course they could be exempt. We also have a moment of silence to which I believe is required in Oklahoma.  Don't know if every school does it or not. 
The HS (actually preK-12 all one campus) I graduated from does the pledge and prayer over intercom each morning.  They get away with the prayer because it is led by a volunteer student.  If there isn't a student on a particular day, an adult leads the pledge and then has a moment of silence.  I don't remember many days when there wasn't a prayer though.  

We are in Texas, my son is in the 4th grade. They do the pledge to both flags, and the principal has a moment of silence. It has been that way since I went to school there. In school programs etc. it isn't uncommon for him to mention God either in his speach before the program starts. 

My son came home a few weeks ago and said the entire 3rd and 4th grade got in trouble that day. I was going for what?! Then he told me some of the kids weren't being respectful during the pledge of allegiance and the principal and the teachers let all the other grades go to class but kept those 2 grades in the gym (They all gather in the gym before school starts). He made it clear to them that as long as he was principal they would respect the flag and told them why they should. My son said "I have never seen him that mad.... he was REALLY mad at us." I thought good for him. 
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Ashton94
Reg. Feb 2014
Posted 2015-03-04 2:10 PM
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I don't think that it's disrespectful for a woman to leave her hat on. I leave mine on and put my hand over my heart during the National Anthem and bow my head with it on during prayer. I've never even heard of females taking their hats off... And the more I think about it, I don't like the idea of it at all. Not sure why, it just seems more lady-like to keep it on. And men are superior and the head of the household, so it is respectful of them to "remove cover". I'm not sure how to explain it, but I just think it's 100% OK for a gal to keep her hat on.
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