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Location: Phoenix | I would definitely get a second opinion.
My moms good mare was navicular since she was 8. She had her shod correctly and maintained her and rode her until she was 18. Won a bunch on her too.
My brothers' last three horses haven't been completely sound. One had acute laminitis, and the others were navicular and nerved. They require a little more upkeep and were fine. I honestly don't know what I would do though. :/
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Location: Tx | Thanks for everyone input. I have scheduled a second apt for this weekend to have a 3rd vet check him and she is going to provide me with the clear vet check she had done about a month ago. I will be able to make an informed decision then.
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| Whiteboy - 2014-03-11 10:26 AM I had a six year old gelding that was nerved. Never had a problem with it. I would do it again if I had a navicular horse.
This would be an option for me IF it were a horse I already owned. If you have the option to take the horse back and get your money back that's going to be your best option. My advice, take him back before you get more attached to him, before he costs you a ton of money (and he will) AND before you get your heart broken further!! |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | Next to Heaven - 2014-03-11 11:26 AM This wouldn't be so hard if he didn't have so much try, personality and LOOKS! Any good lameness vets between Salado and Dallas??? (texas)
Wes Williams
Lone Star Park in Grand Praire
He is who found both on mine.
He had an intern there that misdiagnosed mine.
Dr Williams is one of the best IMHO.
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| Canchasr1 - 2014-03-11 9:07 AM I have to say this..
I had TWO diagnosed with navicular changes at young ages... TWO. Both by the same vet at a very reputable clinic. The both had noticeable limp on circling with head bobbing. Not in a straight line.
The first one was my brothers mare. He sold her to an older gentleman for his grand daughter. They took her to their chiro as a maintenance thing. Her should was way out. Shoulder adjusted the girl started riding her with no limp. They re-xrayed her with another vet... no navicular... That mare made one butt kicking barrel horse that is sound to this day.
Second horse was a son of Mr Jess Perry that I bought off the slaughter truck. He had been sold by a high end barrel racer due to the SAME vet diagnosing with navicular changes. He was supposed to have been a pleasure only horse but was placed in the kill pen. I bought him, had him rexrayed, no navicular... none. But shoulder was way out of alignment. We had to pad his hoof to lift him up 3/4 inches , adjust the shoulder and reshod in three weeks. He went back to running 1-2D times and is still sound and winning.
My point to this is.... IF you like the horse, get a second opinion. Vets are not always right. What one might see as navicular, may be bad x rays, or even just not reading correctly.
(ETA: that vet also diagnosed my husbands horse with cysts in his growth plate in his left rear at a year old. Told us to put him down that he would never be sound. Eight years later, he is a reiner, calf horse and heel horse as well as using horse... never taken a lame step and can flat slide.... )
We had a very similar experience with a very reputable vet clinic... turned out the gelding's "navicular" was all in his neck/shoulder and he ended up being sound after some extensive chiro work. |
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Location: Tx | Tys-ol-lady - 2014-03-11 4:41 PM
Canchasr1 - 2014-03-11 9:07 AM I have to say this..
 I had TWO diagnosed with navicular changes at young ages... TWO. Both by the same vet at a very reputable clinic. The both had noticeable limp on circling with head bobbing. Not in a straight line.
The first one was my brothers mare. He sold her to an older gentleman for his grand daughter. They took her to their chiro as a maintenance thing. Her should was way out. Shoulder adjusted the girl started riding her with no limp. They re-xrayed her with another vet... no navicular... That mare made one butt kicking barrel horse that is sound to this day.
Second horse was a son of Mr Jess Perry that I bought off the slaughter truck. He had been sold by a high end barrel racer due to the SAME vet diagnosing with navicular changes. He was supposed to have been a pleasure only horse but was placed in the kill pen. I bought him, had him rexrayed, no navicular... none. But shoulder was way out of alignment. We had to pad his hoof to lift him up 3/4 inches , adjust the shoulder and reshod in three weeks. He went back to running 1-2D times and is still sound and winning.
My point to this is.... IF you like the horse, get a second opinion. Vets are not always right. What one might see as navicular, may be bad x rays, or even just not reading correctly.
(ETA: that vet also diagnosed my husbands horse with cysts in his growth plate in his left rear at a year old. Told us to put him down that he would never be sound. Eight years later, he is a reiner, calf horse and heel horse as well as using horse... never taken a lame step and can flat slide.... )  Â
We had a very similar experience with a very reputable vet clinic... turned out the gelding's "navicular" was all in his neck/shoulder and he ended up being sound after some extensive chiro work.
So if I were to have him looked at by a chiro before I made my decision should I have that done before or after taking him to the third vet? |
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Location: Qld Australia | I would take him to the vet first and if he comes up clean look into physio/chiro.
Good luck and keep us posted. I feel for both you and the original owner. Vets can be wrong, at this point, which one is though, that's the question.
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Location: Tx | rockinj - 2014-03-11 4:51 PM
I would take him to the vet first and if he comes up clean look into physio/chiro.
Good luck and keep us posted. I feel for both you and the original owner. Vets can be wrong, at this point, which one is though, that's the question.
Hugs.Â
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| Tys-ol-lady - 2014-03-11 3:41 PM
Canchasr1 - 2014-03-11 9:07 AM I have to say this..
 I had TWO diagnosed with navicular changes at young ages... TWO. Both by the same vet at a very reputable clinic. The both had noticeable limp on circling with head bobbing. Not in a straight line.
The first one was my brothers mare. He sold her to an older gentleman for his grand daughter. They took her to their chiro as a maintenance thing. Her should was way out. Shoulder adjusted the girl started riding her with no limp. They re-xrayed her with another vet... no navicular... That mare made one butt kicking barrel horse that is sound to this day.
Second horse was a son of Mr Jess Perry that I bought off the slaughter truck. He had been sold by a high end barrel racer due to the SAME vet diagnosing with navicular changes. He was supposed to have been a pleasure only horse but was placed in the kill pen. I bought him, had him rexrayed, no navicular... none. But shoulder was way out of alignment. We had to pad his hoof to lift him up 3/4 inches , adjust the shoulder and reshod in three weeks. He went back to running 1-2D times and is still sound and winning.
My point to this is.... IF you like the horse, get a second opinion. Vets are not always right. What one might see as navicular, may be bad x rays, or even just not reading correctly.
(ETA: that vet also diagnosed my husbands horse with cysts in his growth plate in his left rear at a year old. Told us to put him down that he would never be sound. Eight years later, he is a reiner, calf horse and heel horse as well as using horse... never taken a lame step and can flat slide.... )  Â
We had a very similar experience with a very reputable vet clinic... turned out the gelding's "navicular" was all in his neck/shoulder and he ended up being sound after some extensive chiro work.
I have a mare that I'm currently running that supposedly had navicular. Nope, it was in her shoulders. My husband is an awesome farrier, he changed some angles, had the chiro adjust her and she is sound and running 1D times. Good luck with your horse and yr decision. |
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Location: Tx | I decided, because of many friends referrals, to go see Dr honnas in bryan instead of going north. Here are his x-rays (if i can get them to.post from my phone...)
Grrr... File is too big. Shoot.
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| If you decide to keep the horse try Equipak. AMAZING stuff. We kept jacking with my mare's feet until she was crippled. (as per vet) I finally told my farrier to just shoe her flat. My trainer who has a YOUNG navicular horse, suggested the Equipak. Farrier put that in. The horse has been sound since. |
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| For those saying their horse lameness issues were in the shoulder, what do the chiropractor do exactly that eliminated the pain? Sorry to the op to be off topic. |
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| If it were me, I would probably pass. I know I look forward to longevity with a horse and I get far too attached. However, with that said, I did take in a horse with a confirmation flaw which may result in X, Y, Z...
He has corrective shoes on and so far that seems to be working well for him. However, I know his career will not be as long as I would like it to be. hes one of the nicest horses I've swung a leg over and so I understand your dilemma.
I paid $400 for mine... and honestly that was worth the risk. Any more than that and i would have saved myself the worry. |
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Location: Tx | Well, she had originally told me she would cut the price substantially but she messaged me last night and told me she had someone willing to pay full price for him so I am going to save myself the trouble (worry and the second vet check) and just take him back. I adore this horse and know that he COULD have a bright future but I am a firm believer in "if its meant to be it will be" and with this much pressure I don't think that it is.
I am really worried that the horse MIGHT have a real problem (navicular, arthritic, or just way out in the shoulder) and she will sell him with her clean vet check but I hope that whoever he goes to that they will get their vet to check him. |
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Location: In a happy place | Next to Heaven - 2014-03-12 8:06 AM Well, she had originally told me she would cut the price substantially but she messaged me last night and told me she had someone willing to pay full price for him so I am going to save myself the trouble (worry and the second vet check ) and just take him back. I adore this horse and know that he COULD have a bright future but I am a firm believer in "if its meant to be it will be" and with this much pressure I don't think that it is. I am really worried that the horse MIGHT have a real problem (navicular, arthritic, or just way out in the shoulder ) and she will sell him with her clean vet check but I hope that whoever he goes to that they will get their vet to check him.
Bless your heart. I know this is a hard decision. But it is probably for the best. Just know that you can love the next one you find too. |
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| Next to Heaven - 2014-03-12 7:06 AM Well, she had originally told me she would cut the price substantially but she messaged me last night and told me she had someone willing to pay full price for him so I am going to save myself the trouble (worry and the second vet check ) and just take him back. I adore this horse and know that he COULD have a bright future but I am a firm believer in "if its meant to be it will be" and with this much pressure I don't think that it is. I am really worried that the horse MIGHT have a real problem (navicular, arthritic, or just way out in the shoulder ) and she will sell him with her clean vet check but I hope that whoever he goes to that they will get their vet to check him.
Hugs to you, I think you are doing the right thing.
Maybe just me but I have enough trouble with my sound horses getting into scrapes, lamenesses, illness without starting with one with issues already.
Previous posters have mentioned a 2nd opinion on the navicular - this I agree with. It's very hard to dx navicular on a rad just like that. However, it is very hard to misdiagnose arthritis, it is very easy to see. And if he already has arthritis it's not going to go away. So on that alone I would have passed, navicular or not.
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Location: Oklahoma | Next to Heaven, I am going to pm you. I know, just looking at how that horse is shod, that he is shod to MAKE him navicular and have arthritis in his ankle, even if he started out fine. Shoe on front foot is way too far forward...there's no shoe supporting the heel at all. Toe needs to be pulled back and looks like maybe a bigger shoe put on him. Personally, I think most navicular issues are caused by bad shoeing. It would be like you wearing bad shoes and trying to run...pretty soon you'd be crippled, too. JMO
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| Canchasr1 - 2014-03-11 8:07 AM
I have to say this..
 I had TWO diagnosed with navicular changes at young ages... TWO. Both by the same vet at a very reputable clinic. The both had noticeable limp on circling with head bobbing. Not in a straight line.
The first one was my brothers mare. He sold her to an older gentleman for his grand daughter. They took her to their chiro as a maintenance thing. Her should was way out. Shoulder adjusted the girl started riding her with no limp. They re-xrayed her with another vet... no navicular... That mare made one butt kicking barrel horse that is sound to this day.
Second horse was a son of Mr Jess Perry that I bought off the slaughter truck. He had been sold by a high end barrel racer due to the SAME vet diagnosing with navicular changes. He was supposed to have been a pleasure only horse but was placed in the kill pen. I bought him, had him rexrayed, no navicular... none. But shoulder was way out of alignment. We had to pad his hoof to lift him up 3/4 inches , adjust the shoulder and reshod in three weeks. He went back to running 1-2D times and is still sound and winning.
My point to this is.... IF you like the horse, get a second opinion. Vets are not always right. What one might see as navicular, may be bad x rays, or even just not reading correctly.
(ETA: that vet also diagnosed my husbands horse with cysts in his growth plate in his left rear at a year old. Told us to put him down that he would never be sound. Eight years later, he is a reiner, calf horse and heel horse as well as using horse... never taken a lame step and can flat slide.... )  Â
I agree, get a second (or third) opinion. I had a navicular OTTB that everyone told us to sell, but he really had the navicular issue because his hooves grew at much different angles. We had a farrier that took his time with the horse and eventually he was sound with no pads or bar shoes. Rode him every day until he died from surgical complications at age 24. |
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