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| Runnin < C > - 2014-03-17 8:50 PM mreklaw - 2014-03-17 8:38 PM Runnin < C > - 2014-03-17 8:24 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-17 2:22 PM Dash Ta Fame direct get and grand-get represented 50% of the futurity finalists. They also took home $155,559 or 68% of the futurity money. There wasn't any other sire or grand sire that was even close to this kind of haul. I'm beginning to question why anybody would own anything else! There aint no denying they are AWESOME! However, I think you need to do the % of DTF get and grand get who were ENTERED vs other horses ... there are dang sure a lot more DTFs than any other bloodline IMO. There are more of them BECAUSE of how natural they rate and still have the speed! I always laugh when I see this comment. There is always gonna be a great demand for what works and excels !!! More than likely there are going to be more DTF in the winners circle : )
The statement they are winning has been used for a lot of bloodlines over the years. Lets say there are 100 horses, 50 are DTF, 75 are FG and 25 are others. All things being equal the odds would be highest on the DTF but in the horse world all things are not equal.
The theory that they win because there are so many of them can be countered by saying there are so many of them because they ARE winning. Sure the odds go up with a huge number of mares bred to him or whatever popular stud (and the quality of mare usually goes up) but again that doesn't happen without a reason. A friend of mine has a stallion and always says "Well if my stud got that many good mares he'd have winners too" I guess we'll never know because there just aren't many stallions that will ever have that situation due to lack of prowess in the pen, bloodlines or whatever mare owners seek. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | amy laymon - 2014-03-17 9:05 PM
There is a good reason so many win...they have that speed and a move to die for! Â Â I can't afford the real deal although I have started a few...but there are some really nice sons of DTF siring that same move!
Not to mention all the DTF daughters producing winners with the same moves! Crossed on many different studs! |
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Location: Texas | Yep there is no denying Dash Ta Fame is one potent sire, both as a direct sire, a paternal grandsire, and a broodmare sire. Like someone else said, those horses are born with natural speed and the crave to turn. He is at the top of my list to breed my Strawflyin Buds mare to in a few years, if I could ever afford it. He would compliment her well without taking any run away. However, judging by the results, I could do pretty dang well breeding to one of his sons! (which I have already :P just waiting for it to get here). |
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Location: Oklahoma | Whiteboy - 2014-03-17 5:10 PM
Longneck - 2014-03-17 2:49 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-17 2:22 PM  Dash Ta Fame direct get and grand-get represented 50% of the futurity finalists. They also took home $155,559 or 68% of the futurity money. There wasn't any other sire or grand sire that was even close to this kind of haul.  I'm beginning to question why anybody would own anything else! I'm gonna be guessing $$$$$$$$  I don't know what DTF prospects run, but I'm gonna assume they're not depreciating any time soon!Â
 I'm glad to see so many Texas horses win! I was just being sarcastic/snarky when I asked about them coming from Texas. I don't guess it came out that way! |
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| Frenchie - 2014-03-17 9:13 PM
Runnin < C > - 2014-03-17 8:50 PM mreklaw - 2014-03-17 8:38 PM Runnin < C > - 2014-03-17 8:24 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-17 2:22 PM  Dash Ta Fame direct get and grand-get represented 50% of the futurity finalists. They also took home $155,559 or 68% of the futurity money. There wasn't any other sire or grand sire that was even close to this kind of haul.  I'm beginning to question why anybody would own anything else! There aint no denying they are AWESOME!  However, I think you need to do the % of DTF get and grand get who were ENTERED vs other horses ... there are dang sure a lot more DTFs than any other bloodline IMO. There are more of them BECAUSE of how natural they rate and still have the speed! I always laugh when I see this comment. There is always gonna be a great demand for what works and excels !!! More than likely there are going to be more DTF in the winners circle : )
The theory that they win because there are so many of them can be countered by saying there are so many of them because they ARE winning. Sure the odds go up with a huge number of mares bred to him or whatever popular stud (and the quality of mare usually goes up)  but again that doesn't happen without a reason. A friend of mine has a stallion and always says "Well if my stud got that many good mares he'd have winners too" I guess we'll never know because there just aren't many stallions that will ever have that situation due to lack of prowess in the pen, bloodlines or whatever mare owners seek.
I am not arguing that they are nice horses but they are also IMO getting MORE chances to succeed. They are a hot bloodline right now. So they are in high demand and more trainers are getting on them because they are the "hot" thing and they also are proven. Im just saying I understand what Running C is saying.
As far as the PC Hayday, i think theres been at least 3 in barrels.... stingray and george and I thought another. Then they are also used in the roping arena which probably doesnt matter for this thread. |
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| MS2011 - 2014-03-17 6:26 PM
3 To Go - 2014-03-17 4:15 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-03-17 1:57 PM 3 To Go - 2014-03-17 3:52 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-03-17 1:30 PM The interesting thing is DTF dominates futurities but not the NFR There are more own get of DTF that have run at NFR than any other sire since people really started paying attention to breeding for barrel horses and keeping track of records. DTF has sired 8 of them. (Gonna Be Famous, JL Dash Ta Heaven, Dash Ta Vanila, Repete Fame, Real Claim Ta Fame, Swivel Ta Fame, Judge My Fame, Fantasia Fame ). More then I thought, but how much money has been one on a DTF, as compared to FWF, PC Frenchmans Hayday, DFP, FG You could pull Equistat reports, but it's only been the last couple of years they have really been tracking rodeo earnings for the entire season. So they wouldn't be entirely accurate since several of the DTFs and others you listed ran before rodeo earnings were being kept throughout the year and not just at the NFR. I don't think it's a statistic that can be accurately used right now since until recent years rodeo record were largely incomplete compared to Futurity, Derby and 4D earnings being tracked.
I'm not 100% positive on this, but isn't Stingray the only PC Frenchmans Hayday to run at the NFR?
Sherry ran George in a couple of rounds after Stingray fell the year before last. Tammy Fischer also ran hers but he did not qualify her, Roundpen was injured. There have been a few in the Steer Wrestling and Team Roping as well. |
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| Runnin < C > - 2014-03-17 8:24 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-17 2:22 PM Dash Ta Fame direct get and grand-get represented 50% of the futurity finalists. They also took home $155,559 or 68% of the futurity money. There wasn't any other sire or grand sire that was even close to this kind of haul. I'm beginning to question why anybody would own anything else! There aint no denying they are AWESOME! However, I think you need to do the % of DTF get and grand get who were ENTERED vs other horses ... there are dang sure a lot more DTFs than any other bloodline IMO.
There are more DTF than any other, they represent 25% all the horses running in this futurity. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Whiteboy - 2014-03-18 9:29 AM Runnin < C > - 2014-03-17 8:24 PM Whiteboy - 2014-03-17 2:22 PM Dash Ta Fame direct get and grand-get represented 50% of the futurity finalists. They also took home $155,559 or 68% of the futurity money. There wasn't any other sire or grand sire that was even close to this kind of haul. I'm beginning to question why anybody would own anything else! There aint no denying they are AWESOME! However, I think you need to do the % of DTF get and grand get who were ENTERED vs other horses ... there are dang sure a lot more DTFs than any other bloodline IMO.
Cool facts!!! Love this post!!!! They are athletes for sure!!!!! |
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Location: Online | Still wouldn't own one..... If someone gave one to me I would love to sell it.
Flame away. Dislike if you will, but that's my opinion. |
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Location: MI | This isn't new News or just unique to Diamonds and Dirt. If you take a look at Barrel Futurity Sire stats for 2009, #1 is DTF with $238,156. Runnerelse was #2 with $138,076. Bully Bowlan Bug was #3 with $90,336. Firewater Flit was #6 at $41,148 and Frenchmans Guy was #7 at$40,154. The people that are out running and riding have known this for several years. |
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Location: Oklahoma | rodeomom13 - 2014-03-18 10:03 AM Still wouldn't own one..... If someone gave one to me I would love to sell it.
Flame away. Dislike if you will, but that's my opinion.
May I ask why? I don't want to start any fights, but I am curious. |
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| BandWranch - 2014-03-18 1:30 PM
This isn't new News or just unique to Diamonds and Dirt. Â If you take a look at Barrel Futurity Sire stats for 2009, #1 is DTF with $238,156. Â Runnerelse was #2 with $138,076. Â Bully Bowlan Bug was #3 with $90,336. Â Firewater Flit was #6 at $41,148 and Frenchmans Guy was #7 at$40,154. Â The people that are out running and riding have known this for several years.Â
Glad to see you on here! That was one of the purposes of my original post, even though I wasn't specific. I figured this was the same at all the other futurities, I just had this information in front of me. Pretty awesome what he has produced, and pretty awesome that it is still happening as a maternal and paternal grandsire also. |
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| Now, what if Chics Beduino had numbers like that in futurities, would you all put down your hatin'?
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| HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-03-18 2:44 PM Now, what if Chics Beduino had numbers like that in futurities, would you all put down your hatin'?
But CB doesn't have those numbers, not even close. |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-03-18 2:49 PM
HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-03-18 2:44 PM Now, what if Chics Beduino had numbers like that in futurities, would you all put down your hatin'?
Yes, he died before barrel racing really got serious about futurities, and we were all still just taking rejects from other disciplines. I was joking.
But you do see his name on the pedigrees of quite a few good barrel horse sires. |
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Location: MI | Decided to go even farther back and it is even more significant. Stats for barrel sires for 2007...DTF #1 with 617,469, Marthas Six Moons #2 with $142,520. Title Contender #3 with $120,700. Frenchmans Guy #6 with $56,179. Firewater Flit #7 with $51,136 and Bully Bullion #8 with$45,837 |
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| So, here in Utah dtf's have been around a long time, this is where bob burt lives. When did his get start showing up on the national scene? |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-03-18 4:06 PM
So, here in Utah dtf's have been around a long time, this is where bob burt lives. When did his get start showing up on the national scene?Â
Probably when Vicki, Terri and Anne started kicking everyone's butt with them in the late 90's and early 2000's. I always thought Vicki had the first one - Gems For Royalty, that I really remember. She ran in the late 90's. Then Terri had a few and when Martha got Fame Fox Kirk from Anne they really took off after that. His futurity year was 2000. The DTFs have been around for a while now. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | So with all the good stat numbers being posted, alot cant breed to DTF himself, so which son of his is the strongest sire? |
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Location: Way up North | rodeomom13 - 2014-03-18 10:03 AM Still wouldn't own one..... If someone gave one to me I would love to sell it.
Flame away. Dislike if you will, but that's my opinion.
Meh, each to their own. It's not the first time I have heard this and it honestly doesn't suprise me or hurt my feelings. I am in love with my DTF grand get but that's me. I, on the other hand, do not care for DFP horses. Absolutely nothing against them they just aren't for me and I have had people get their panties in a wad over it. Everybody has their own likes and dislikes which is great for keeping outcross options open too! |
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