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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | And if this was a more proven stud then I would by all means do what it takes but he's just a high bred 3yr old and the money went to a good cause |
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Location: Oregon | Is the stallion owner/handler inexperienced? Because really, this isn't that unusual of a situation. Some mares get frightened or just flat don't like it when the stallion mounts them. And it's not because they aren't strongly in heat, they just don't like it. Once past the initial kicking they will stand just fine. |
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| TessBelle - 2014-03-27 12:39 PM
lonely va barrelxr - 2014-03-27 12:36 PM
TessBelle - 2014-03-27 12:30 PM I bought the breeding at a benefit for $250. I already have way over that in mare care and the fuel to haul her to him. I'm about ready to just give up. I don't wanna keep loosing more money.
Yep. The cheapest part of breeding is the stud fee, just like the cheapest part of owning a horse is buying one! There is no cheap way around what you are trying to do. The cheapest would have been to pack her up April 1 and let her stay until bred, whenever her first natural cycle was after that. Even then, I'd've wanted a positive ultrasound before heading home with her. Let the farm tease her daily and breed on day 3 or 4 of a strong heat cycle, repeat in 2 days if she still stands for the stallion. My stallion has settled all but one mare (one of those from last year) three years running with that formula. Two were maidens and they had no issue because they got to know the stallion before hand, plus he is well mannered at breeding time.
It kinda worries me with her. She was hand bred lest year but she didn't catch. This year she's not wanting to be bred at all.
If you tried last year and your mare didn't settle, then you might have some other issue going on as well. You might need to have your mare cultured to make sure she is clean and clear of infection.
I also agree that the stud fee is the cheap part of getting a foal on the ground. Hopefully your ultrasound will give you a clear picture of what's going on so that you can get your mare settled without a lot more time and money. I would also recommend having her ultrasounded 14 days post-breeding to determine if she is bred. This is also a good time to draw blood to check hormone levels to make sure your mare can carry the pregnancy without needing regumate. |
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Location: Great NW | I have found if they will not stand there is some physical issue. When mares will take a stallion they most likely will take. and the opposite as also been true. THere is no need in most cases to hobble and force the mare. if they are in and ready usually all they need is a good tease. If not then I do not cover that day. Safety first then compassion. My bet the vet will find some issue. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that.
Please pm me the stallion? I am curious what owner is refusing to listen to the possibitly that she may not be in actual heat without an ultrasound and just because he gave her a dang shot? |
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| Is this a maiden mare?
How old?
I had one that was maiden over 10, with hobbles, still wouldn't stand. I had to find a different stallion and pasture breed her, I left her for 6 months with the stallion and it worked. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Doesnt the vet do farm calls? I've had mares ultrasounded at home. And sorry if I missed it because I didnt read the whole first page but can they collect him and then just inseminate your mare? I also have to say I believe you need a more active relationship with the vet there as there seems to be an issue on either the mares side, or the stallion owner. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM
Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that.
I'm sooty you are having to go through this. After reading both pages of this thread the thing that kind of sticks out to me is that maybe this owner should take a short corse in breeding It's the stallions first year breeding and I would think he would be going out of his way to get your mare bred for you. There is more than one reason possible that she is not being receptive to the stallion. JMO
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-27 8:32 PM TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that. Please pm me the stallion? I am curious what owner is refusing to listen to the possibitly that she may not be in actual heat without an ultrasound and just because he gave her a dang shot?
People like that guy should not be in the breeding business.
I don't think I would pay him one single penny.
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-27 8:32 PM
TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that.
Please pm me the stallion? I am curious what owner is refusing to listen to the possibitly that she may not be in actual heat without an ultrasound and just because he gave her a dang shot?
Won't let me pm you. It says please enter the code above but there's no code |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | rockinas - 2014-03-27 8:53 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-27 8:32 PM TessBelle - 2014-03-27 6:59 PM Well he wouldn't take her to get a ultrasound. Said it would be too much trouble, not in those exact words but I got the idea. I talked him into trying to hobble her and he said he would. He called me back like 10min later and said I just needed to come get her. So I'm out about $800 now and with no baby. Very disappointed. I was really looking forward to have a baby that I had actually bred and raised. He said I could bring another mare but I don't have another one. I asked if my sister could bring her mare and he said no. I've talked to 2 vets and a breeder today and all 3 said she wasn't in heat and I tried to tell him that but he wouldn't listen. He said she had the shots so she had to be in heat. I offered to call his vet and pay with debit card what ever it would cost to have her ultrasound and mildly sedated but he didn't want to do any of that. Please pm me the stallion? I am curious what owner is refusing to listen to the possibitly that she may not be in actual heat without an ultrasound and just because he gave her a dang shot?
I don't think I would pay him one single penny.
I agree, I hated having to deal with live covering a mare that was kicking, but there are so many ways around it. Honestly, it sounds like since you bought the breeding thru an auction, he could care less about taking care of you as a customer. Sorry you are dealing with this. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | cheryl makofka - 2014-03-27 8:36 PM
Is this a maiden mare?
How old?
I had one that was maiden over 10, with hobbles, still wouldn't stand. I had to find a different stallion and pasture breed her, I left her for 6 months with the stallion and it worked.
She's 15. She was bred last year and though she caught but when I got her I noticed her loosing weight so I has her checked and she wasn't bred. They tried pasture breeding and hand breeding neither worked. |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I even asked if we could just carry it over to next yr because I already have like $800 in it(I know that's not much for most breeding a but it is to me) but he said he sold the stud to people in MN. |
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Location: Qld Australia | I am not going to suger coat this so sorry if I offend; He is an IDIOT.
We side line EVERY mare, this is for out stallions and our safety. We have had plenty of mare owners over the years say that their mare does not need side lines. Too bad, go elsewhere, it is a safety precaution. We advise mare owners to scan mares if there are issues. We have had plenty that have no issues at all and will not stand like a sweetheart. We have successfully bred every mare as we use safety measures and common sense.
This idiot should not be standing a stallion he sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
I am sorry that you are out of pocket, this type of behaviour gives stallion owners a bad name. |
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| I would like to know who you are dealing with, because I am also in lower Alabama. So sorry you are going thru this. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | After reading the sale ad for the stallion you were breeding to on here and on facebook...Honey you got taken advantage of. He says right in the ad he doesn't have time for outside mares. He should have thought of that before he donated a breeding unless the fool planned to buy his own stud fee. If I were you, I would take this up with the auction people or him. You deserve some mare care money back in my opinion. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Why would someone donate a breeding and advertise a stallion when they have no intention of completing their job. 
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Location: Here | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-03-28 6:50 PM After reading the sale ad for the stallion you were breeding to on here and on facebook...Honey you got taken advantage of. He says right in the ad he doesn't have time for outside mares. He should have thought of that before he donated a breeding unless the fool planned to buy his own stud fee. If I were you, I would take this up with the auction people or him. You deserve some mare care money back in my opinion.
I agree, and honestly if he did sell the stallion, the stallion is better off.
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| when they are ready, they will break down and pee, when you bring her up to the stud,if she is ready, that will happen. if you get to anxious, u will mess things up. she knows when she is ready. don't force anything. unless u already missed the ovulation. |
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