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Bear Reg. Dec 2007	Posted 2014-04-08 1:26 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
BHW Resident Surgeon Posts: 25352 Location: Bastrop, Texas	I have to say that I completely see what David is saying. He has a very good point. NDSU has gained some national prominence over the past decade since becoming a division I school. I do know that tuition and other costs has skyrocketed over the past 10 years. In ND, all you need to do is follow the money. It's not even subtle. North Dakota's publicly funded crooks are novices in the art of criminal deception and the average citizen is naive. Now, with oil money, we can expect to see this rise rise at an even greater rate.
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-08 2:18 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	dhdqhllc - 2014-04-08 1:01 PM TXBO - 2014-04-08 12:41 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-08 12:33 PM collegiate sports should be privatized at every level and have to pay for themselves......collegiate sports have had a huge hand in completely ruining higher education How so? athletics at every college level are funded one by the taxpayer and second by the students.....even at top level high visibility programs, athletics sucks huge amounts of funding from both state, local and student resources.....ND for example is a prime example of how with athletic succes, education for all students become less and less of a priority and more and more of a priority to fund athletics....this comes at the expense of the students, where tuition has risen out of control in this state in order to support athletics....not only in regards to tuition but funding for actual education dries up in order to turn more and more towards athletics....honestly, my opinion is that as colleges have increasingly successful athletics, their education decreases accordingly.... adding.....this has nothing to do with the actual athletes....it has to do with administration, boosters, politicians, presidents, staff, business' that are all raking in huge amounts of money from the students and taxes to support their gluttony.....above and beyond what is generated by the athletic merchandising itself...... how many worthless bowl games can you actually have??? What you say is so true in more cases than not however it's mostly not in D1 where the talk of paying students is at question. Many of those programs not only support themselves but also give money back to academics to fund chairs and scholarships. I totally agree with questioning the funding from taxpayers but I don't think that is limited to athletics. I've fumed over many chairs, grants, bs research and programs that I don't feel are apropriate. 1) Remove the Title IX requirements and virtually all NCAA division 1 schools' athletic departments could be self-sufficient immediately. 2) Get the government out of the student loan and grant business. That's doing more to drive up the cost of higher education than athletics ever will. Edited by TXBO 2014-04-08 2:22 PM
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dhdqhllc Reg. Feb 2011	Posted 2014-04-08 2:24 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Always Off Topic Posts: 6382 Location: ND	TXBO - 2014-04-08 2:18 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-08 1:01 PM TXBO - 2014-04-08 12:41 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-08 12:33 PM collegiate sports should be privatized at every level and have to pay for themselves......collegiate sports have had a huge hand in completely ruining higher education How so? athletics at every college level are funded one by the taxpayer and second by the students.....even at top level high visibility programs, athletics sucks huge amounts of funding from both state, local and student resources.....ND for example is a prime example of how with athletic succes, education for all students become less and less of a priority and more and more of a priority to fund athletics....this comes at the expense of the students, where tuition has risen out of control in this state in order to support athletics....not only in regards to tuition but funding for actual education dries up in order to turn more and more towards athletics....honestly, my opinion is that as colleges have increasingly successful athletics, their education decreases accordingly.... adding.....this has nothing to do with the actual athletes....it has to do with administration, boosters, politicians, presidents, staff, business' that are all raking in huge amounts of money from the students and taxes to support their gluttony.....above and beyond what is generated by the athletic merchandising itself...... how many worthless bowl games can you actually have??? What you say is so true in more cases than not however it's mostly not in D1 where the talk of paying students is at question. Many of those programs not only support themselves but also give money back to academics to fund chairs and scholarships. I totally agree with questioning the funding from taxpayers but I don't think that is limited to athletics. I've fumed over many chairs, grants, bs research and programs that I don't feel are apropriate. 1) Remove the Title IX requirements and virtually all NCAA division 1 schools' athletic departments could be self-sufficient immediately. 2) Get the government out of the student loan and grant business. That's doing more to drive up the cost of higher education than athletics ever will. agreed
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-08 2:28 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	Frosty - 2014-04-08 1:07 PM I think something needs to change because players can't work and play at the same time. Not all scholarships pay for everything! Having a son that will be playing college football next year, this concerns me and my pocketbook. Big colleges make a lot of money off their athletes, why not share the wealth?! Afterall, whose making the money for them? jmo And have you put a number to the value of that scholarship? Make sure you factor in free healthcare and no taxes. What would he have to earn in the workforce to equal it? Is it higher or lower than what a typical 18 year old would make with no education?
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dhdqhllc Reg. Feb 2011	Posted 2014-04-08 2:34 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Always Off Topic Posts: 6382 Location: ND	TXBO - 2014-04-08 2:28 PM Frosty - 2014-04-08 1:07 PM I think something needs to change because players can't work and play at the same time. Not all scholarships pay for everything! Having a son that will be playing college football next year, this concerns me and my pocketbook. Big colleges make a lot of money off their athletes, why not share the wealth?! Afterall, whose making the money for them? jmo And have you put a number to the value of that scholarship? Make sure you factor in free healthcare and no taxes. What would he have to earn in the workforce to equal it? Is it higher or lower than what a typical 18 year old would make with no education? taxes will be an issue....an one that they really haven't thought of.....once you are an 'employee', that 'pay', whether it's actually money or scholarship will be taxed.....including union dues.....so if you have a scholarship worth 30k-80k/yr, start figuring the taxes on that salary.....
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-08 2:43 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	I'm actually all for having the NFL remove the requirement that forces prospective athletes to be three years removed from high school. If you're capable of making money off your talents, take straight to the NFL. If you're not, quite bittching that a $100k+ education, room, board, healthcare and the ability to develope your skills with $100M worth of facilities and coaches isn't enough.
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-08 2:45 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	dhdqhllc - 2014-04-08 2:34 PM TXBO - 2014-04-08 2:28 PM Frosty - 2014-04-08 1:07 PM I think something needs to change because players can't work and play at the same time. Not all scholarships pay for everything! Having a son that will be playing college football next year, this concerns me and my pocketbook. Big colleges make a lot of money off their athletes, why not share the wealth?! Afterall, whose making the money for them? jmo And have you put a number to the value of that scholarship? Make sure you factor in free healthcare and no taxes. What would he have to earn in the workforce to equal it? Is it higher or lower than what a typical 18 year old would make with no education? taxes will be an issue....an one that they really haven't thought of.....once you are an 'employee', that 'pay', whether it's actually money or scholarship will be taxed.....including union dues.....so if you have a scholarship worth 30k-80k/yr, start figuring the taxes on that salary..... Yep. What would a current Stanford athlete have to make to take home in income what he gets from his scholarship? $100K?
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-08 3:34 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	Whiteboy - 2014-04-08 12:10 PM Nateracer - 2014-04-08 12:00 PM In reality, they are already "getting paid." Scholarships are money paid to them. Unionization just seems odd. NCAA has pimped out atheletes for too long. Scholarships are nothing compared to what they are producing. That depends on whether you're the quarterback at Alabama or the catcher on the women's softball team at Vanderbilt. Edited by TXBO 2014-04-08 3:35 PM
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Whiteboy Reg. Jul 2012	Posted 2014-04-08 3:41 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
That's White "Man" to You Posts: 5515	TXBO - 2014-04-08 3:34 PM Whiteboy - 2014-04-08 12:10 PM Nateracer - 2014-04-08 12:00 PM In reality, they are already "getting paid." Scholarships are money paid to them. Unionization just seems odd. NCAA has pimped out atheletes for too long. Scholarships are nothing compared to what they are producing. That depends on whether you're the quarterback at Alabama or the catcher on the women's softball team at Vanderbilt. That is a valid point.
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CurlyQ Reg. Sep 2006	Posted 2014-04-08 4:25 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Cold hands and Warm Heart Location: oklahoma	Paid to do a job also means that they can be fired. I hate to see this come about for the simple fact that the 'hunger' will be gone once they turn 'pro'. No incentive to work. Part of me knows that the multi million dollar programs are out of hand for a lot of reasons but the drive to utilize a scholarship is sometimes the only way a regular joe can get an eduction. Besides, a very small percentage has a career in the pros.
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Black Horse Reg. Jan 2009	Posted 2014-04-08 6:01 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Elite Veteran Posts: 721 Location: The Great West	brlraceaddict - 2014-04-08 11:52 AM TXBO - 2014-04-08 10:41 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-04-08 12:33 PM collegiate sports should be privatized at every level and have to pay for themselves......collegiate sports have had a huge hand in completely ruining higher education How so? Because it's all about revenue. You have a powerhouse college football program - the students come - simple as that. Our university which should be in the WAC is in Division 1A - simply for the revenue from TV. Idaho has no business playing Nebraska, period. Our AD thinks he should get more money so he doesn't have to schedule teams like Nebraska. I could almost guarantee you the athletic budget is a mess and it's being subsidized somehow. There are upgrades and upates to the athletic facilities (that no one else gets to use) but faculty and staff haven't had raises in 6 years, campus building maintenance is behind, and tuition is constantly on the rise - it's hard to justify paying for college football programs in light of all that. But you have a big powerhouse program that generates revenue - it's certainly much more attainable. First... They are nuts not to schedule Nebraska! I live there and graduated from a WAC school and compaired to what they used to be...Nebraska is a glorified high school team yet they are still on prime time TV and make bowl games every year. That equals tv time that would take millions to equal that kink of publicity for a school even if they are blown out. Second... I was a scholarship athlete in college not div 1 and definately not football but I felt like I was a racehorse. If you were hurt they "put a bandaid on a broken arm" and ran you in the next claimer. Those kids are there to get an education first and play sports second but if they get hurt playing for the school the school should fix it at least to the point that they can live their life without pain instead of just yanking the scholarship and sending them on their way because they can't play anymore.
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BARRELHORSE USA Reg. Sep 2011	Posted 2014-04-08 6:13 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
	Throw college football out of the universities and make them schools of learning again .. MAKE THE COLLEGE TEAMS SEMI PRO AND COMPLETELY OFF OF THE UNIVERSITY CAMPUS .... THEN PAY COLLEGE ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT FOR THEIR LOGO ...
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TXBO Reg. Aug 2009	Posted 2014-04-08 6:22 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Googly Goo Posts: 7053	BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-04-08 6:13 PM Throw college football out of the universities and make them schools of learning again .. MAKE THE COLLEGE TEAMS SEMI PRO AND COMPLETELY OFF OF THE UNIVERSITY CAMPUS .... THEN PAY COLLEGE ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT FOR THEIR LOGO ... What do you think happens to all the other college athletics if you do that?
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dme0324 Reg. Aug 2006	Posted 2014-04-09 10:33 AM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Over Informed Posts: 5372 Location: West Tennessee	While stuff still goes on behind closed doors -- some of the NCAA regulations that get programs in trouble have brought this on, in my humble opinion. I can remember a time when my Dad was an active booster that he & other local alumni would give prospects jobs or help with things like dental work / medical / vehicles. In an attempt to keep everything 'fair' and 'even' more and more rules were created, less & less could be done openly for the athletes. I don't know what the answer is but I do think something needs to change?
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bocephus's mama Reg. May 2005	Posted 2014-04-09 10:44 AM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Baby Blue's Posts: 7306 Location: Texas	dhdqhllc - 2014-04-08 1:10 PM Frosty - 2014-04-08 1:07 PM I think something needs to change because players can't work and play at the same time. Not all scholarships pay for everything! Having a son that will be playing college football next year, this concerns me and my pocketbook. Big colleges make a lot of money off their athletes, why not share the wealth?! Afterall, whose making the money for them? jmo part of that is just BS......lots of college athletes work...... I think the NCAA has changed the rules on working. When my husband ran D1 track (yes, those of you that are my FB friends that have seen pictures - he actually was THAT white guy on the track), he was not allowed to work a "real" job but he could build fences or whatever for cash.
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foundation horse Reg. Aug 2004	Posted 2014-04-09 12:53 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Semper Fi Location: North Texas	TXBO - 2014-04-08 6:22 PM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-04-08 6:13 PM Throw college football out of the universities and make them schools of learning again .. MAKE THE COLLEGE TEAMS SEMI PRO AND COMPLETELY OFF OF THE UNIVERSITY CAMPUS .... THEN PAY COLLEGE ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT FOR THEIR LOGO ... What do you think happens to all the other college athletics if you do that? This is a valid question that deserves attention. 'I' think College Athletics would become even more of a training/proving/recruiting arena for Pro Athletes than it is now.
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TrackinBubba Reg. Aug 2006	Posted 2014-04-10 11:29 AM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Poor Cracker Girl Posts: 12150 Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL	Personally, I think they should treat college athletes like they treat graduate student teaching and research assistants. You receive a scholarship (tuition and fees, no books or lodging) and a stipend per semester. It's not a ton of money but it is a living wage if you are thrifty. They're being paid to render a service - but they are still students who are also receiving an education. And they are both valid services. Athletic success brings way more attention to a mid-level academic school than anything else. I'm a Florida State alumni - before Bobby Bowden, it was still referred to as "the girl's school in Tallahassee." Now it's a massive research university with tens of thousands of students. There are a couple of good documentaries on Netflix that were really interesting about this issue. One I think was called "Schooled" and the other was about the SMU Death Penalty but I can't remember the title off the top of my head. Pony Excess maybe? Edited by TrackinBubba 2014-04-10 11:34 AM
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CurlyQ Reg. Sep 2006	Posted 2014-04-10 6:13 PM Subject: RE: College athletes getting paid and unionizing?
Cold hands and Warm Heart Location: oklahoma	TrackinBubba - 2014-04-10 11:29 AM Personally, I think they should treat college athletes like they treat graduate student teaching and research assistants. You receive a scholarship (tuition and fees, no books or lodging) and a stipend per semester. It's not a ton of money but it is a living wage if you are thrifty. They're being paid to render a service - but they are still students who are also receiving an education. And they are both valid services. Athletic success brings way more attention to a mid-level academic school than anything else. I'm a Florida State alumni - before Bobby Bowden, it was still referred to as "the girl's school in Tallahassee." Now it's a massive research university with tens of thousands of students. There are a couple of good documentaries on Netflix that were really interesting about this issue. One I think was called "Schooled" and the other was about the SMU Death Penalty but I can't remember the title off the top of my head. Pony Excess maybe? SMU was caught in a huge scandal years ago. Boosters going hog wild and of course it's not the only program doing this... 30 for 30 on espn has great documentaries about athletes and they were featured. Well done on each one and yes, I know this is off topic :)
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