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Location: MD | I know they are puppies and at 10 weeks he cannot hold his bladder all night. but taking him out at 2:30 am is almost encouraging this behavior I would think. if he barks and howls long enough mom comes and gets him! I would cover it up with a sheet, give him one of your t-shirts that smell like you, lots of loving and playing before bed and then cover it up and leave him till morning. I know this is setting him up for an accident. I have always crate trained dogs this way and yes I have had lots of accidents in there but that's how they learn to hold their bladder. he'll soon realize, "moms not going to get me until the alarm comes off, and I need to hold it so I don't have to sleep in my own potty." And yes there have been a few accidents on the way outside from the crate.
And it is worth noting that I have successfully crate trained 3 dogs and they all use their crates as homes, and a "safe place." But my current dog absolutely is worthless in the crate. He loses his mind and he's just fine not even using it. I think it works for some and not others. |
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| My puppy wasn't able to "handle" a crate at 10 weeks. Some can, some can't. He's 17 weeks now, outside during the day and begs to be let in so he can sleep in his crate every night and has never had another accident, sleeping all night long. When you say "he could have held it"... that's why puppies have accidents, they physically can't hold it even if they want to and even if they've been let out, it happens. I just quit crate training mine for a few weeks.. he ended up having the run of the garage and I cleaned up after him. I would try that with your pup, just let him grow up and adjust a little bit. |
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| Crowned Image - 2014-04-23 8:44 AM
I know they are puppies and at 10 weeks he cannot hold his bladder all night. but taking him out at 2:30 am is almost encouraging this behavior I would think. if he barks and howls long enough mom comes and gets him! I would cover it up with a sheet, give him one of your t-shirts that smell like you, lots of loving and playing before bed and then cover it up and leave him till morning. I know this is setting him up for an accident. I have always crate trained dogs this way and yes I have had lots of accidents in there but that's how they learn to hold their bladder. he'll soon realize, "moms not going to get me until the alarm comes off, and I need to hold it so I don't have to sleep in my own potty." And yes there have been a few accidents on the way outside from the crate.
And it is worth noting that I have successfully crate trained 3 dogs and they all use their crates as homes, and a "safe place." But my current dog absolutely is worthless in the crate. He loses his mind and he's just fine not even using it. I think it works for some and not others.
I didn't think of it like that but it makes sense! Since he does scream louder when he has to go out so it does make sense! Maybe ill put the crate outside the room so I can't smell it if he does go. |
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Location: Near San Antonio, TX | I have a lab puppy, he is 5 months old (as of yesterday). The first couple of nights we had him it was awful. He was doing just like yours is. Barking/yelping alll..... night..... long....!!! My vet said to put the crate right next to my bed, and every time he starts up, hit the crate hard enough to startle him and firmly say, "NO BARK!!" It worked, but not 100% right off of the bat. The barking gradually got better every night until he was quiet all night.
Good luck! It is veeeery frusturating! |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | ours sleep with us......lol..........2 aussies and a min pin................the puppy(aussie gets me up 3 to 5 times a night to go outside)..........she is 7 months old and is a healthy 24 pounds(so much for mini.lol)
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p.s.the only time she is in her crate is during the day when we aren't home ....and even at night she will randomly go in it to sleep |
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Location: SE Missouri | HHTough - 2014-04-23 7:16 AM He usually is with his brothers from 6am-6pm, then he hangs out with me till bedtime. Generally follows me around with whatever I'm working on then we play, around 9pm he chews his toys on my bed till bedtime at 10:30. The crate has a little more room than he needs. He's only gone potty in it once before, last night he was very distraught (so was i). Safe to say puppies probably aren't for me, although the dog trainer at my work wasn't sure why he wasn't getting over it like most puppies. Just because the puppy is making me half crazy from lack of sleep, what do you expect me to do? Give him back? He's been great for everything else. It's an option. Not first choice but better for puppy (and you) to go to better suited situation than making you both miserable.. adder: Im the rommate of a similiar situation.. I will say it is VERY frustrating when someone brings a puppy that is up all night.. Her pup is getting better but it was really frustrating when they weren't sticking to a routine and setting the puppy up for success. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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| abrooks - 2014-04-23 11:30 AM
HHTough - 2014-04-23 7:16 AM He usually is with his brothers from 6am-6pm, then he hangs out with me till bedtime. Generally follows me around with whatever I'm working on then we play, around 9pm he chews his toys on my bed till bedtime at 10:30. The crate has a little more room than he needs. He's only gone potty in it once before, last night he was very distraught (so was i). Safe to say puppies probably aren't for me, although the dog trainer at my work wasn't sure why he wasn't getting over it like most puppies. Just because the puppy is making me half crazy from lack of sleep, what do you expect me to do? Give him back? He's been great for everything else. It's an option. Not first choice but better for puppy (and you) to go to better suited situation than making you both miserable.. adder: Im the rommate of a similiar situation.. I will say it is VERY frustrating when someone brings a puppy that is up all night.. Her pup is getting better but it was really frustrating when they weren't sticking to a routine and setting the puppy up for success. Good luck with whatever you decide.
Uh thanks for the advice but I'm not getting rid of the puppy. My roommate is his breeder so she isn't overly concerned by his barking. |
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| If his littermates are the ones he's spending all day with I would consider isolating him from them for a while. Is mom with them as well?
He's bonded to these other pups and every night is like going back to square one breaking the bond. I can only see this as being a vicious cycle and really hard to break. |
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| OhMax - 2014-04-23 1:32 PM
If his littermates are the ones he's spending all day with I would consider isolating him from them for a while. Is mom with them as well?
He's bonded to these other pups and every night is like going back to square one breaking the bond. I can only see this as being a vicious cycle and really hard to break.
Nope his mom isn't in with them. He's fine being away from his litermates but he's usually with me. |
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| Try the cover the crate method at night for 3-5 days. It will work. |
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Location: Alberta | pinx05 - 2014-04-23 1:28 AM HHTough - 2014-04-23 12:56 AM I am at my wits end with that puppy. The towel over the cage gt me a poop smeared all over the kennel along with screaming all night (he could've held it, he pooped three times 2hrs ago). I gave in, put him upstairs and Im trying to not hurl because I can't hose the kennel till morning. That puppy is evil, pretty sure. Or he is just a puppy... and maybe puppies aren't for you.
Do you ever work with him on staying in the crate during the day for shorter periods of time? Or did you just put him in one night and expect him to understand? Serious question.
Crate training (for any of my dogs) is a process. First teaching them to go in, and that it is a good place. Then getting them used to being in it for a short amount of time and teaching them that when they are quiet they can come out. Slowly leaving them in their crates for longer periods of time. Granted some dogs take to it like a duck to water, while others aren't as happy about being in a crate... but going slow with them I have never had one not get over the barking etc in a reasonable amount of time.
He is still very young, he is going to have accidents.
ETA: Also, it looks like all day long he is with other dogs then at night he is seperated from them. That could be some of your problem also. Is he ever away from the other dogs when he isn't in his crate?
I'm also going to add a thought of what "schedule" is the puppy on? I understand, out with other dogs all day, but does that mean full access to food, water? Are there certain times for feedings? When your home are potty breaks consistent (I do every 1-2 hours when first house breaking) till bed time!
I use a crate and my dogs see the crate as their safe place, but structure with puppies is so important as well! |
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| He has full access to food during the day and its taken away around 8pm. He goes out every 45-1hr till bed.
Has anyone had better luck putting the crate in a room other than the bedroom? |
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| We keep our's in their crates downstairs,completely covered with a blanket from 10pm ish to 5am. We never give into fits as that would just encourage and continue the howling, barking, and whining. It honestly shouldn't take longer than a week of this and they understand that they won't get what they want with that behavior. they relax and settle with this schedule. Is also important to get a crate that isn't too big! Naturally they do not enjoy soiling where they sleep so they quickly learn to potty before the crate and hold it during the night till they go out in morning. I also really believe this sets them up for successful house potty training. Good luck!
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| Also you may want to practice crating puppy for little periods when u are home doing stuff around the house. It sounds like he always has company, spends all day with his litter mates ect. He is throwing fits barking ect cuz he wants out and doesn't want to be alone, he needs to learn that it's OK to be alone and his crate is his "safe place". They also don't like feeling like they are missing out on something, that's why it's so important not to give in... Whenever he settles quiets down and u let him out, praise him! Practicing this might really help during nightly crating.. |
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| Last night he went to bed at 11 & I didn't take him out till 5. He did have explosive diarrhea but he had that to begin with (have to be careful hiw many treats he gets). I did notice when he REALLY started screaming at which point I'd usually let him out, after about 10mins he'd quiet down which is good!. The crate is going outside my room tonight, I need to kinda sleep for once! |
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| Cheerios make good puppy treats. Does he have diarrhea during the day? That would concern me, I'd be feeding some white rice and hamburger to try and firm him back up. Jmo.
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I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | HHTough - 2014-04-24 6:17 AM
Last night he went to bed at 11 & I didn't take him out till 5. He did have explosive diarrhea but he had that to begin with (have to be careful hiw many treats he gets). I did notice when he REALLY started screaming at which point I'd usually let him out, after about 10mins he'd quiet down which is good!. The crate is going outside my room tonight, I need to kinda sleep for once!
a crying and upset puppy is the hardest thing to listen to. I hope it gets better soon! I hope it will be on the up and up.
and I think there are some rules on this board about having a puppy and talking about them without posting pictures is strictly prohibited! |
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| He gets it off abd on. Starting yogurt tonight.
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| I didn't read all the replys, but I have had wonderful success crate training. My biggest advice is to set a rock solid schedule and stick to it. It will take sacrafice on your part, but you had to know before getting a puppy that it is work. My boxer went out at 6 am - 8 am - 10am - noon - 2pm - 5pm - (my workday allowed for me to take one 15 min break in the morning and the afternoon and that's how I ran home to let him out. Distance or work schedule may not allow this for you. At bedtime for the first few weeks he did cry in his crate and it BROKE MY HEART. But I ignored him I did set an alarm and every night I did get up around 2 am to let him out because puppies cannot hold it all night from the get go. Vet says add 2 to their age in months. 2 month old puppy can be expected to hold for a MAX of 4 hrs. At 6 months you could possibly expect an 8 hr hold. No sooner. By 1 year of age my boy had the run of the house, home alone. He didn't have many accidents at all thru the training phase because he was on such a tight schedule. He will kennel up any time I need him to, but at this point his kennel is folded up in a closet. He is that trustworthy. All started with proper crate training. |
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he has been doing a lot better with the barking ...which is awesome except he's pooped in his crate (and smeared it all over) for the FOURTH night in a row. I took him out and he pooped at 11:15, when I got up at 2:30 to take him out he had already pooped. So gross.
Why does he keep pooping in there? He has pooped all of those nights before bed! He went over a week without pooping in there and now it's been four nights... |
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