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Location: So. Cali. | My 16yr old gelding was diagnosed about 5-6yrs ago. A hole starting to form on his fron right navicular bone, and bone spurs on both. Getting his angles correct and giving him break over helped more than any of the special shoes out there for Navic. I second Magnetic bell boots. You may find once his front feet feel better, his backend will come up sore and need hock injections from over compensating. I would also recommend Previcox for care. Tried the Equibone with no noticable difference. Also did navcular bursa injections twice, never had coffin bone injections done or recommended on my gelding
My boy continued competing up until about a year ago. He loves his job and I realized he wasnt going to let me know when enough was enough. I'm fortunate to have others to run/train so he just hangs out now so he can live out life comfortably. I never offically consider him 'retired' because every once in a while I get a bug to go leg him up and run him somewhere (that has really nice ground).
Do your research, read about shoeing for yourself.
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Location: Bandera, TX | I feel your pain. I learned this afternoon that my beloved 8 year old mare is done competing. So heart breaking. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | My gelding was dead lame at one time. To the point that he didn't want to move at times! But we got him on Equibone and he is sound 99% of the time. I still go for a short easy ride every now and then but he is retired. His was very severe and took years(and ALOT of $$$) to get a diagnoses. I feel that if it weren't for equibone we would have had to put him down because of the pain. We haven't had him xrayed to see if there are any changes but there has to be by how pain free he is now. He was diagnosed as a 10 year old and is now 16 |
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| Find you a good lamness vet ther are so many things that can be done. Tildren, stem cell, prp, and a combo of things. You must have a good farrier. If you are going to run one hard they have to,be shod. You will have to see what combo works for you. Mthere is nit magic single bulllet, nor is it a death sentience like it used to be. You really need to find a good vet. Remember on spending money you know what kind of horse you have could you buy one for that money that you would spend. A lot of people on here would not,do a alcohol fusion on hocks on this board but for 500.00 bucks to fix my horse and this vet does then all day long, you have to weigh a lot of things and go to a vet that does mostly lamness stuff, before i did anything i check his suspensories so i would nit be waisting my money. Find a vet who specializes on lamness who does at least 60% of ther time in this. My horse saw 3 or 4 vets one was a highy aclaimed race track vet and i did not feel that what he said was goimg to work on a hock fusion vet was talking about shockwave. The vet i wemt to said with the xray once side that highly aclaimed vet did not do,both sides. My vet that i went to recently said that shockwave would have taken a long time to fuse. Ther are several different ways we could have fixed jethero. But i went with the vet reccommendations. I will know in 2 weeks. He is alreadly tracking better he will be shod in ten days.
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Location: California | One thing you can do for him at home is put pea gravel in his pen. It's very cheap (even in CA!) and increases circulation in their feet due to the constant pressure (but the gravel size is small and rounded so it doesn't hurt).
I did this for my navicular gelding after I brought a new mare home and had to pen him up. He's been retired for years and is barefoot, but shows low grade lameness due to his navicular. When I first penned him up, the pen had hard ground and his lameness increased dramatically. We added the pea gravel and he is more sound than he has ever been. It's the only thing we changed and cost very little. Good luck, it is so frustrating! |
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| I just had a navicular diagnosis, it was caught very early. I did try tildren and will know in a month if it works.If that doesn't work I may try it a couple more times and do coffin joint injections. Or try irap. If all the above fails it's mri and nerving. Feel like I could have bought a completely new horse when this is over.. if it ever is. Fingers crossed something works. |
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| I took my gelding monday to the vet. He diagnosed him with navicular cysts.... we injected him with tildren. We will see how it works. I am seriously considering letting him go barefoot. Right now he has natural balance shoes and I was going to try to put equithane (????) just a cushioning in his feet to absorb the shock. I am taking him back in 6 weeks for another injection. I have been fighting this battle for over a year now and nothing really has seemed to help. I have him on MSM and magnets full time. Some days are better that others.
How much is the stem cell therapy? I know every vet differes... |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | daisycake123 - 2014-04-22 9:30 PM
Find you a good lamness vet ther are so many things that can be done. Tildren, stem cell, prp, and a combo of things. You must have a good farrier. If you are going to run one hard they have to,be shod. You will have to see what combo works for you. Mthere is nit magic single bulllet, nor is it a death sentience like it used to be. You really need to find a good vet. Remember on spending money you know what kind of horse you have could you buy one for that money that you would spend. A lot of people on here would not,do a alcohol fusion on hocks on this board but for 500.00 bucks to fix my horse and this vet does then all day long, you have to weigh a lot of things and go to a vet that does mostly lamness stuff, before i did anything i check his suspensories so i would nit be waisting my money. Find a vet who specializes on lamness who does at least 60% of ther time in this. My horse saw 3 or 4 vets one was a highy aclaimed race track vet and i did not feel that what he said was goimg to work on a hock fusion vet was talking about shockwave. The vet i wemt to said with the xray once side that highly aclaimed vet did not do,both sides. My vet that i went to recently said that shockwave would have taken a long time to fuse. Ther are several different ways we could have fixed jethero. But i went with the vet reccommendations. I will know in 2 weeks. He is alreadly tracking better he will be shod in ten days.
She has an amazing vet, who has the credentials and experience that you would be hard pressed to find anywhere else |
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-23 7:09 AM
I took my gelding monday to the vet. He diagnosed him with navicular cysts.... we injected him with tildren. We will see how it works. I am seriously considering letting him go barefoot. Right now he has natural balance shoes and I was going to try to put equithane (????) just a cushioning in his feet to absorb the shock. I am taking him back in 6 weeks for another injection. I have been fighting this battle for over a year now and nothing really has seemed to help. I have him on MSM and magnets full time. Some days are better that others.
How much is the stem cell therapy? I know every vet differes...
Barefoot is better than natural balance. . I took my guys NB shoes off and turned him out. I had the pad on him too.. just seemed heavy and I am not a fan. Buy a level and a degree reading tool for his feet and make your farrier use them I believe you want 54 degrees on the front or anywhere 45 to mid 50's I believe depending how long he is ect. My farrier wanted to wedge one foot and not the other. I got sick of watching them try to eyeball it. I am a visual person need solid verified degrees... I have SUCH a short temper when it comes to my horse. ETA I am not riding him right now when I do I will do rims all the way around possibly with an elevated heel.
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-23 8:09 AM
I took my gelding monday to the vet. He diagnosed him with navicular cysts.... we injected him with tildren. We will see how it works. I am seriously considering letting him go barefoot. Right now he has natural balance shoes and I was going to try to put equithane (????) just a cushioning in his feet to absorb the shock. I am taking him back in 6 weeks for another injection. I have been fighting this battle for over a year now and nothing really has seemed to help. I have him on MSM and magnets full time. Some days are better that others.
How much is the stem cell therapy? I know every vet differes...
The stem cell for me was less than $1500, which in the grand scheme of things, is reasonable I thought. It was a quick process, left him off for several months (winter time) and he's made a full recovery. My vet didn't have high hopes for him recovering the way he did, that is for sure! So, I consider myself lucky  |
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Location: Mi | RodeoGirlJodi - 2014-04-22 2:02 PM Thanks for the encouraging words everyone! He was given Tildren as a two year old and then successfully futuritied on. I feel this is why she feels his navicular bone is ugly. It has3 holes that have been there his whole life and never bothered him because he was treated with Tildren so early. The bone spur that has developed on the back of the navicular bone is what I feel his issue is knowing his history. He just became lame after one run, so I know its not the holes bothering him. I feel the bone spur is my main issue. That's why I ask about the Equi-bone and OCD because I her they help remove spurs.
I had a horse with a bone spur on his coffin bone. I had a lot of sucess by injecting his coffin joint and navicular bursa and also leaving magnetic bell boots on him 24/7. The only time the bell boots come off was when I was riding him. He lived in them in the pasture etc. I also shod him with a straight bar shoe and the pour in pads. Good Luck! |
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Location: Sorrow Not! Defending against workplace bullies | Many horses compete who are navicular. Last year we bought a 22 yr old navicular rope horse. With a strict shoeing schedule he felt great...in fact so great we ended up selling him as he was too much horse for us. He was a cow MONSTER and incredibly fast. He still had a lot of years left and was not nerved. |
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-22 10:09 PM
I took my gelding monday to the vet. He diagnosed him with navicular cysts.... we injected him with tildren. We will see how it works. I am seriously considering letting him go barefoot. Right now he has natural balance shoes and I was going to try to put equithane (????) just a cushioning in his feet to absorb the shock. I am taking him back in 6 weeks for another injection. I have been fighting this battle for over a year now and nothing really has seemed to help. I have him on MSM and magnets full time. Some days are better that others.
How much is the stem cell therapy? I know every vet differes...
Good for you being open minded to barefoot! I find it silly sometimes when people try everything from special shoes/drugs to stemcell treatements but mention barefoot and its like OMG why would I try that! Out of anything if nothing else its cheap. And if your willing to try anything to help your horse. Why the heck not?
I'm not a trimmer or anything. Just a rider. I barrel race, jump and ride up gravel roads - no problems. My horse's feet aren't naturally awesome either. I feed a mineral balancer with included hoof supplement. So if u feed em right their hooves will be nice.
Without a shoe blood circulation increases too. |
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| http://www.hoofrehab.com/NavicularSyndrome.html
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Location: Middle Tennessee | Thanks everyone! I can't do barefoot with him because he is very thin soled and always abscesses when he doesn't have shoes on. He was given Tildren as a 2 year old if I remember correctly. It worked. His issue now is the spur I believe. I plan to try the Equi-Bone and go from there. He was injected Monday and is running and bucking today... back to normal for now. I added pictures to show him off (: love this guy. Oh, and he's a heck of a hunter horse too!
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| phillyincal - 2014-04-22 11:01 PM One thing you can do for him at home is put pea gravel in his pen. It's very cheap (even in CA!) and increases circulation in their feet due to the constant pressure (but the gravel size is small and rounded so it doesn't hurt).
I did this for my navicular gelding after I brought a new mare home and had to pen him up. He's been retired for years and is barefoot, but shows low grade lameness due to his navicular. When I first penned him up, the pen had hard ground and his lameness increased dramatically. We added the pea gravel and he is more sound than he has ever been. It's the only thing we changed and cost very little. Good luck, it is so frustrating!
One thing you can do for him at home is put pea gravel in his pen. It's very cheap (even in CA!) and increases circulation in their feet due to the constant pressure (but the gravel size is small and rounded so it doesn't hurt)
I never wouldl have thought of this ^^ However, based on the little massage ball I have for my arches, it kinda makes sense! Would it be harmful for a horse that doesn't have navicular?
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| CowgirlLindz - 2014-04-23 3:03 PM
TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-22 10:09 PM
I took my gelding monday to the vet. He diagnosed him with navicular cysts.... we injected him with tildren. We will see how it works. I am seriously considering letting him go barefoot. Right now he has natural balance shoes and I was going to try to put equithane (????) just a cushioning in his feet to absorb the shock. I am taking him back in 6 weeks for another injection. I have been fighting this battle for over a year now and nothing really has seemed to help. I have him on MSM and magnets full time. Some days are better that others.
How much is the stem cell therapy? I know every vet differes...
Good for you being open minded to barefoot! I find it silly sometimes when people try everything from special shoes/drugs to stemcell treatements but mention barefoot and its like OMG why would I try that! Out of anything if nothing else its cheap. And if your willing to try anything to help your horse. Why the heck not?
I'm not a trimmer or anything. Just a rider. I barrel race, jump and ride up gravel roads - no problems. My horse's feet aren't naturally awesome either. I feed a mineral balancer with included hoof supplement. So if u feed em right their hooves will be nice.
Without a shoe blood circulation increases too.
This thread has officially convinced me to try it... your right.. what the heck! |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-23 3:55 PM CowgirlLindz - 2014-04-23 3:03 PM TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-22 10:09 PM I took my gelding monday to the vet. He diagnosed him with navicular cysts.... we injected him with tildren. We will see how it works. I am seriously considering letting him go barefoot. Right now he has natural balance shoes and I was going to try to put equithane (????) just a cushioning in his feet to absorb the shock. I am taking him back in 6 weeks for another injection. I have been fighting this battle for over a year now and nothing really has seemed to help. I have him on MSM and magnets full time. Some days are better that others. How much is the stem cell therapy? I know every vet differes... Good for you being open minded to barefoot! I find it silly sometimes when people try everything from special shoes/drugs to stemcell treatements but mention barefoot and its like OMG why would I try that! Out of anything if nothing else its cheap. And if your willing to try anything to help your horse. Why the heck not? I'm not a trimmer or anything. Just a rider. I barrel race, jump and ride up gravel roads - no problems. My horse's feet aren't naturally awesome either. I feed a mineral balancer with included hoof supplement. So if u feed em right their hooves will be nice. Without a shoe blood circulation increases too. This thread has officially convinced me to try it... your right.. what the heck!
If you are going to do barefoot find a good trimmer and also don't be afraid of hoof boots. Or check out the new Easy care shoe. I think it could really help out some navicular horses. |
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-23 6:55 AM
CowgirlLindz - 2014-04-23 3:03 PM
TNcowgirl88 - 2014-04-22 10:09 PM
I took my gelding monday to the vet. He diagnosed him with navicular cysts.... we injected him with tildren. We will see how it works. I am seriously considering letting him go barefoot. Right now he has natural balance shoes and I was going to try to put equithane (????) just a cushioning in his feet to absorb the shock. I am taking him back in 6 weeks for another injection. I have been fighting this battle for over a year now and nothing really has seemed to help. I have him on MSM and magnets full time. Some days are better that others.
How much is the stem cell therapy? I know every vet differes...
Good for you being open minded to barefoot! I find it silly sometimes when people try everything from special shoes/drugs to stemcell treatements but mention barefoot and its like OMG why would I try that! Out of anything if nothing else its cheap. And if your willing to try anything to help your horse. Why the heck not?
I'm not a trimmer or anything. Just a rider. I barrel race, jump and ride up gravel roads - no problems. My horse's feet aren't naturally awesome either. I feed a mineral balancer with included hoof supplement. So if u feed em right their hooves will be nice.
Without a shoe blood circulation increases too.
This thread has officially convinced me to try it... your right.. what the heck!
Awesome I wish you and your horse all the best! Keep us update!  He will have a period of adjustment and will probably be ouchy for a bit while he gets used to having his own feet back on the ground. So don't freak out give him some time and get yourself a good barefoot trimmer who knows what he/she is doing. Many farriers don't unfortunaly. |
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