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| Herbie - 2014-04-29 1:39 PM I have my young horse's teeth checked every 4 - 6 months when they are 5 and under simply because there is so much change going on inside the mouth during this time. We did pull 4 caps from my 3 YO and smoothed my 4 YO out a bit, but nothing major for him. The one aged horse who isn't getting the RG anymore looks great, of course he's out on pasture 24/7. The other two are out on pasture 12 hours a day, are getting the soaked alfalfa daily, along with coastal hay (which they just pick on because they'd rather eat the grass sprigs in their lot) and they still are thin. Prior to changing to the RG my 4 YO looked great and was full and fat, not so much now, and we've been adding the alfalfa for almost 2 months now and i'm still not seeing the results. I so wish it would work, but it seems to be speeding my horse's gut up instead of slowing it down.
I guess what is so frustrating for me is that the one horse who has not had the extra care (hasn't had his teeth done in at least 8 months and isn't getting special treatment, alfalfa, RG or anything else) looks great, but the other two who I need to look great look pretty bad.
Have you tried to increase the Renew Gold? I feed 1 1/2 lbs a day with 1lb of Whole Oats. I also feed Timothy and Alfalfa. And for a supplement I feed Platinum CJ. My horse looks great. And is feeling and running great. |
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Location: NE Texas | I'm feeding 2 pounds a day, and if i'm going to have to feed all the other stuff in addition to it, I can't afford to feed it and honestly don't need it. I'd rather just go back to what was working or go a different route. The thought process was that this would improve the condition of my horses by feeding less, and in turn it costing me less money. I'm pretty disappointed in the results i've gotten and have done everything that has been suggested. It just isn't going to work for me, which stinks, because I do love the thought process of the product. I'm hoping that my feed store who ordered it in especially for me will be able to get the distributor to take what he has in stock back. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Satisfaction is guaranteed, to both the store and the horse owner. Call the office and we will refund. I would love to know what is getting in the way. We have sold almost 300,000 bags, and refunded 14. That said, a refund is no problem if you are not happy. |
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Location: NE Texas | Thank you so much. I wish I knew too, but I can share pictures with you of my horses via email and the before and after, as well as the horse who is not getting any of the RG. I wish it had worked for me. Do I need to have the store contact the distributor to take the their stock back or have them call the office as well? |
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Location: Here | winwillows - 2014-04-29 3:40 PM Satisfaction is guaranteed, to both the store and the horse owner. Call the office and we will refund. I would love to know what is getting in the way. We have sold almost 300,000 bags, and refunded 14. That said, a refund is no problem if you are not happy.
Thank you. One question, can you explain why the inverted omega 3/6 ratio? My one do nothing gelding has lost weight on it as well, and I am wondering if it is the inverted ratio. I started adding one cup of flax back to the ration along with beet pulp and he stopped loosing weight. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Yes, no problem if the store does not want to continue, they just need to contact the distributor. For some reason your horses' hind gut is not properly engaging if you can add weight with a regular feed, but not with a recommended Renew Gold ration, if your hay quality is good. What is preventing that natural hind gut function in your situation is hard to say from 2000 miles away. Curious that the same issue is present on two horses at the same location, as this would be rare on one horse. Once again, with coastal in the program I would suspect teeth. Having them floated does not guarantee it was done properly. I see a lot done wrong if a power float was used. Have you checked them yourself to see if there is a sharp edge on the outer edge of the upper molars? Please don't take offence, just guessing here. Call if I can help, but we would be happy to honor our guarantee. The office number is 530 934 9300. |
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Location: Willows, CA | On the Omega 6 to Omega 3 question, please see my explanation on page one of this thread. The result in the entire diet is a perfect 6 to 3 ratio. Remember, it is about the entire diet. |
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Location: Here | winwillows - 2014-04-28 11:05 AM On Omega 6 to 3 ratio. Remember, there is seldom a place in nature where an evolving horse ate a natural diet that was higher in Omega 3's than Omega 6's for the entire diet. Most of those diets were very close to neutral or around 1 to 1. While most experts feel that there is significant value in Omega 3's in the diet, 6's are also vital to body function. Omega 6's initiate inflammation. While this sounds bad, it is the catalyst for healing and immune response necessary for maintaining a healthy body. The body can not function without Omega 6. Cutting the gap from 8 or 10 to 1 found in conventional grain based feeds down to a closer range by using a much lower feed rate than conventional concentrates, and a closer ratio results in a balance in the entire diet of about 1 to 1 when the hay contribution of Omega 6 to Omega 3 is considered. This is a perfect result. It would be a shame to give up the value of the Renew Gold contribution to the entire digestive system simply because it did not have a greatly elevated Omega 3 level. We all need to remember, it is about the entire daily diet and how all parts of it function in unison to promote a healthy animal. Look for the bigger picture.
Thanks Sorry I missed this earlier I will agree to disagree about what inflammation does to the body  I am glad I tried the product. I truly wished it would be the simple answer for us. I am glad to see a company trying this route. I am glad so many have had success.  It just simply didn't work for mine... |
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Location: Willows, CA | On inflammation, there is a huge difference between acute and chronic inflammation. Acute inflammation happens when there is an insult to tissue. Without this inflammation, increased blood flow and the start of healing that follows can't happen. Here Omega 6 is a benefit and necessary. The same holds true for allergic reactions, and the activation of an immune system response. Chronic inflammation(arthritic changes for example) is another thing altogether. In general that does not go away as a result of increased blood flow or immune system response. Acute inflammation and Omega 6 response is necessary to a healthy body. Chronic inflammation is not beneficial to health and there is some evidence that the Omega 3 influence may help reduce chronic inflammation. In theory, too much Omega 3 may interfere with necessary Omega 6 generated acute inflammation, and the same may be said of too much Omega 6 overpowering Omega 3 relief of Chronic inflammation. That is why the omega 6 to omega 3 ratio in the entire diet is the important issue.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | For those of you that feed RG with Alfafa cubes or pellets - do you feed it all mixed together or at different times? I feed the RG and a few hours later he gets cubes on last check in at night. |
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| Mainer-racer - 2014-04-30 8:55 AM
For those of you that feed RG with Alfafa cubes or pellets - do you feed it all mixed together or at different times? I feed the RG and a few hours later he gets cubes on last check in at night.
I feed it with the soaked cubes. I add the RG right before I put his feed out after the cubes have soaked up the water. |
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Location: southeast Texas | I just add the RG the same time as the Cubes. But the cubes are not soaked. I tried the soaking, they did not like it.
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Location: South TEXAS | GLP - 2014-04-30 8:59 AM
Mainer-racer - 2014-04-30 8:55 AM
For those of you that feed RG with Alfafa cubes or pellets - do you feed it all mixed together or at different times? I feed the RG and a few hours later he gets cubes on last check in at night.
I feed it with the soaked cubes. I add the RG right before I put his feed out after the cubes have soaked up the water.
i do the same. with soaked cubes in AM and soaked beet pulp at night feeding. |
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Location: Beautiful Pacific Northwest | How many cups equals 1 lb of RG? 3 or 4? Thank you. |
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| SG. - 2014-04-29 3:29 PM winwillows - 2014-04-28 11:05 AM On Omega 6 to 3 ratio. Remember, there is seldom a place in nature where an evolving horse ate a natural diet that was higher in Omega 3's than Omega 6's for the entire diet. Most of those diets were very close to neutral or around 1 to 1. While most experts feel that there is significant value in Omega 3's in the diet, 6's are also vital to body function. Omega 6's initiate inflammation. While this sounds bad, it is the catalyst for healing and immune response necessary for maintaining a healthy body. The body can not function without Omega 6. Cutting the gap from 8 or 10 to 1 found in conventional grain based feeds down to a closer range by using a much lower feed rate than conventional concentrates, and a closer ratio results in a balance in the entire diet of about 1 to 1 when the hay contribution of Omega 6 to Omega 3 is considered. This is a perfect result. It would be a shame to give up the value of the Renew Gold contribution to the entire digestive system simply because it did not have a greatly elevated Omega 3 level. We all need to remember, it is about the entire daily diet and how all parts of it function in unison to promote a healthy animal. Look for the bigger picture. Thanks Sorry I missed this earlier I will agree to disagree about what inflammation does to the body I am glad I tried the product. I truly wished it would be the simple answer for us. I am glad to see a company trying this route. I am glad so many have had success. It just simply didn't work for mine...
Edited to add: which is one reason I add Omega 3's to the one horse I feed rice bran nuggets to.
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Location: Willows, CA | Yes, it is a good idea to add Omega 3's to straight rice bran nuggets in most feed programs. Also to any conventional grain based feed program, and especially to diets that include corn or corn oil in the mix. However, this does not apply to a Renew Gold diet. When those entire Renew Gold diets based on forage and/or pasture and limited concentrates are considered, the result is an Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio for the entire diet of approximately 1 to 1.3. Most nutritionists would consider this about ideal. Additional Omega 3 support at this point may not be of significant benefit for a healthy horse without chronic inflammation issues. |
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| winwillows - 2014-04-30 5:10 PM Yes, it is a good idea to add Omega 3's to straight rice bran nuggets in most feed programs. Also to any conventional grain based feed program, and especially to diets that include corn or corn oil in the mix. However, this does not apply to a Renew Gold diet. When those entire Renew Gold diets based on forage and/or pasture and limited concentrates are considered, the result is an Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio for the entire diet of approximately 1 to 1.3. Most nutritionists would consider this about ideal. Additional Omega 3 support at this point may not be of significant benefit for a healthy horse without chronic inflammation issues.
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Location: mi | readytorodeo - 2014-04-30 4:45 PM 3 red solo cups are 1 1/2 pounds
you must be talking about the little red solo cups. Not the big beer ones!  |
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