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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I'd say they are jerking you around because you work there and just because they can. I have 3 big (50 gallon?) plastic garbage cans in my barn. 1 for Omolene 500, 1 for Nutrena SC Sr and 1 that I fill with oats out of my grain bin. I can seal them up to keep critters out and that way I can check each bag as I dump it in. |
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Location: NC | PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-02 2:14 PM
I'm buying a plastic container so I can store it in
I use trash cans. We have one for Complete, one for flax & one for dog food. We fit about 3 bags in one at a time. |
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Location: Central Okla. | You've got a problem in that you bought it 2 weeks ago. So you can't be sure it was moldy when you got it or not. If half the bag is moldy, i'd think you would have notices when you picked it up. But maybe not if it's on the inside. HOwever, Calling Purina is probably better than dealing with TSC about it.
You might also call the State Dept of Ag and file a complaint. They have an office designated for feed complaints. At least they do in OK. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I got some moldy clumps in my feed last February. The feed store where I bought it exchanged it bag for bag for new feed. I would change where I buy feed if they don't stand behind the products they sell. Maybe change where I worked as well. lol
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Location: Alabama | Not long after strategy came out, I got 2 bags that were bad. I called my local feed store. They made a note at the register. Next time I came in, I got 2 free bags. They did not ask for the bags/feed back. I've had 2 bad bags of purina in 21 years (hundreds of bags) & they were replaced with no problem. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | It IS your own store’s manager that is jerking you around….Several years ago, we got a couple of bags of “moldy” Purina Feed……TSC took it back immediately (one bag was almost empty). Since the manager of that store won’t make it right with you….call Purina (be prepared to give them the information off of the bag)…..you will get a refund because they DO stand behind their products. …and then call the headquarters of TSC and file a complaint……..
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Location: So. California | Also, if you do return the bag, please take photos of all pertinent information on the bag and put a small sample in a plastic zip lock bag for future reference if needed. Not a customer friendly business... |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 9:45 PM OK I went a fed my made this afternoon. I opened her bag of Purina omolene 200 performance feed and a funky smell came out and I look in and the bottom of the bag is all mold. I bought it 2 weeks ago. Its kept away in dry area. She has been wheezing the past 2.5 days. Idk what happens in this kinda situation. Its says illness or death. But idk what symptoms can happen. Having a hard time getting ahold of vets tonight so I turned to you guys for help.
Was it sitting on concrete because it will suck the moister from the concrete?
Been there done that.
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Location: Kansas | hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
Junk? I feed two very old horses Equine Senior mixed with Purina 200. They look and feel wonderful. You can't condemn a high quality feed because one bag got wet somewhere along the way.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Frodo - 2014-05-02 7:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
I agree.....In the past we have used Purina and have had great success with it.....Frankly, there isn't another feed company out there that spends as much money in research than Purina....I would venture to say that ALL feed companies have had their problems at one time or another with bad raw product, mold, etc....it is the nature of the business. I kind of hate it when someone who actually has NO expertise or knowledge of how feed is produced can make such blanket statements about feed. |
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Location: NC | Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. Â
You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation.
I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients.
And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists.
Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there.
I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
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| I agree with purina being junk .. Have fed it , seen no good results . I think they are a money hungry company ... They do not really care about their costumer or our equine partners . I have had so many tags of strategy healthy edge .. All different ingredients .. It's ridiculous . Trust me , I know alot about the company . I won't give any inside info .. But I know they are all about money . |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I had my mare on omolene 200 for awhile. She looked FABULOUS on it! Took her off when she got hurt and wasn't working and went back to oats. Thinking about going back on it. I've always liked Purina. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
I'll match your expertise any day....I worked in the research lab of GPC (Kent Feeds) for over ten years.........to condemn a feed company that spends MILLIONS of $$ on research is asinine. EVERY company makes a "cheap" feed. You are entitled to your "opinon" but lay it out for what it is....JUST an "opinion"......you have NO expertise in the feed manufacturing and research........For every adverse opinion of Purina, you could probably find 10 that use it and get along just fine as with EVERY feed company out there.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Douglas J Gordon - 2014-05-02 7:06 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 9:45 PM OK I went a fed my made this afternoon. I opened her bag of Purina omolene 200 performance feed and a funky smell came out and I look in and the bottom of the bag is all mold. I bought it 2 weeks ago. Its kept away in dry area. She has been wheezing the past 2.5 days. Idk what happens in this kinda situation. Its says illness or death. But idk what symptoms can happen. Having a hard time getting ahold of vets tonight so I turned to you guys for help. Was it sitting on concrete because it will suck the moister from the concrete?
Been there done that.
I made that mistake once too DJG. I didn't even try to return it because I knew it was my own fault. Now my extras are stacked on top of old lick tubs and the bags I'm feeding are in garbage cans. |
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Location: Midwest | NJJ - 2014-05-02 7:39 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 7:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
Purina isn't junk. I have fed it in the past. I feed the Purina dog food to this day.
And OP, it's that TSC manager that is yanking you.
Call Purina and I would bet they will make it right. Have all the info and they may ask for photos of the mold (for their own files/knowledge/tracking)
I fed Purina for many years with no issues... I just prefer TC. And yes, TCC does have molasses. Not a ton, but it's there.
And sorry for lack of contrast, stole this from a forum... but the NSC values for Purina are pretty comparable to other companies.
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM
hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
 You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....Â
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis!
Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients.
Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet.
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| hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM
NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM
hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
 You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....Â
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis!
Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients.
Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet.
For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it.
We're the biology courses equine or human?
Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose.
"Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses...,
The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010)
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Location: NC | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology
You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
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| hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
 You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
 For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology
You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn. So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : )
I have no idea what purina uses as purina horse feed is not licensed in Canada.
According to the last sentence the left over corn and yeast from making ethanol is used in animal feed this being low in starch high in vitamin b and protein, I would be interested in seeing how the companies are using corn.
Cracked corn may have been the raw form, but my guess if yeast is on the ingredient list, they are using the above process.
Also I am speaking about pelleted feeds, not sweet feed.
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