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     Location: New York | Equibase still has him listed as a colt. |
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I like this one :)
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| NJJ - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM
Itsme - 2014-05-04 7:35 PM From the BBR facebook page... What a fabulous story! Proof that most expensive/richest doesn't mean BEST! Way to go California Chrome and Art Sherman! Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer. Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer.
The story begins five years ago when Coburn, convinced the government was taking too much of his money, went looking for a tax break. He wanted to buy an airplane and write it off, but that's a $250,000 venture. So, he and his wife, Carolyn, took a more cautious approach: They'd buy a horse.
In 2008, the Coburns became part of a 15-partner syndicate for a small filly named Love the Chase. They put down $3,900 for a 5 percent stake. But after Love the Chase flopped as a thoroughbred, the partners wanted to cut their losses and offered the horse to Coburn for $8,000. One other partner Perry and Denise Martin, from Yuba City, Calif. was interested, too, so they bought the horse together having never met.Â
Not sure why you quoted me, the BBR post had a lot about the 77 yo trainer while the OP had none... |
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        Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-05-04 9:00 PM NJJ - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Itsme - 2014-05-04 7:35 PM From the BBR facebook page... What a fabulous story! Proof that most expensive/richest doesn't mean BEST! Way to go California Chrome and Art Sherman! Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer. Congratulations to Art Sherman who has become the oldest trainer in history to win the Kentucky Derby at the age of 77. But that’s just the tip of the amazing story of California Chrome’s victory in the 140th Run for the Roses. In a game dominated by millionaires and billionaires, this was a win for all the little guys. California Chrome's mother was purchased for $8,000 by Steve Coburn and Perry Martin and bred to a $2,000 stallion --a move that prompted one trainer to call them “dumb asses” for even getting involved in racing. Inspired by the criticism, Coburn and Martin named their operation DAP Racing, which stands for Dumb Ass Partners. You might have seen the image of a donkey on the back of California Chrome’s jockey. With a one-horse race stable, Martin and Coburn hired Art Sherman, a 77-year old trainer, who’s last trip to the Derby was as an exercise rider for Swaps, the horse that won the race. Sherman slept in the barn with Swaps. They chose Sherman because, “He’s a regular guy and so are we," says Coburn, a press operator for a small company that makes magnetic strips for credit cards. Martin runs a laboratory in that tests air bags and medical equipment. The two turned down a $6 million offer for 51 percent of their horse after he won the Santa Anita Derby in his previous race. Had they sold him, Sherman would have likely been out as the trainer. The story begins five years ago when Coburn, convinced the government was taking too much of his money, went looking for a tax break. He wanted to buy an airplane and write it off, but that's a $250,000 venture. So, he and his wife, Carolyn, took a more cautious approach: They'd buy a horse.
In 2008, the Coburns became part of a 15-partner syndicate for a small filly named Love the Chase. They put down $3,900 for a 5 percent stake. But after Love the Chase flopped as a thoroughbred, the partners wanted to cut their losses and offered the horse to Coburn for $8,000. One other partner Perry and Denise Martin, from Yuba City, Calif. was interested, too, so they bought the horse together having never met. Not sure why you quoted me, the BBR post had a lot about the 77 yo trainer while the OP had none...
Just adding to the story....... |
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     Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Googled... Says hes a gelding. Rich or poor when your cloud rolls in you learn to dance in the rain. This was no pig of a mare that 15 individuals invested in. Granted those individuals released her for a song. Proves in the right hands you can change your stars.  |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Wasn't Funny Cide a similar improbable long shot? He cost more, but I thought he was a bargain as well, plus he was a gelding. Just curious.
Anyway, who doesn't love a story like this. Cant wait for the movie. |
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    Location: Sherman, TX | Google lists many of the Derby horses as geldings. He is a colt, HRTV interview his trainer says he was acting studly in the paddock while schooling him. DRF and Blodhorse refer to him as a colt... |
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         Location: Finally horseback again.... | jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that.
If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross. Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me.... |
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          Location: Kentucky | Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 9:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
I think CC is bred very well. Our local news station says that he comes from "no name bloodline". I wrote to them and said that wasn't true at all. I really wish horse people would be responsible for reporting on Derby horses.... not the sports guys that only cover basketball and football. |
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| Murphy - 2014-05-05 8:53 AM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 9:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me.... I think CC is bred very well. Our local news station says that he comes from "no name bloodline". I wrote to them and said that wasn't true at all. I really wish horse people would be responsible for reporting on Derby horses.... not the sports guys that only cover basketball and football.
I find his breeding pretty exceptional as well. Just because his parents didn't cost much in purchase price or breeding fees doesn't mean squat. It's the rest of the story that is the coolest part, IMO. |
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     Location: NM...the Land of Manana | I read that the mare had an undiagnosed breathing problem when she was racing. I wonder how many other babies she has had and how much Lucky Pulpits breeding fee will go up now? |
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          Location: Kentucky | Lightfoot - 2014-05-05 10:13 AM I read that the mare had an undiagnosed breathing problem when she was racing. I wonder how many other babies she has had and how much Lucky Pulpits breeding fee will go up now?
I think I heard on Derby Day that she just foaled a full sister to CC this year? |
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          Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | This doesn't have to do with a whole lot of anything but where the owners live in Yuba City is like 25 minutes away from where I grew up. My dad is all sorts of excited because of that. |
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       Location: Kansas | Nateracer - 2014-05-05 9:13 AM Murphy - 2014-05-05 8:53 AM Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 9:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me.... I think CC is bred very well. Our local news station says that he comes from "no name bloodline". I wrote to them and said that wasn't true at all. I really wish horse people would be responsible for reporting on Derby horses.... not the sports guys that only cover basketball and football. I find his breeding pretty exceptional as well. Just because his parents didn't cost much in purchase price or breeding fees doesn't mean squat. It's the rest of the story that is the coolest part, IMO.
That was my thought as well. The only other Derby horse I could remember was Wicked Strong, so I looked up his pedigree too and CC's is pretty similar. I think they both have Northern Dancer on the top side in fact.
The rest of the story is definitely the cool part. I love reading about the people involved with these horses, especially when they got a bargain and it eventually led to a big win like this. A story like this is a reporter's dream, the type of story you can't wait to write because it's going to resonate with so many of your readers. |
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        Location: Memphis, TN | Murphy - 2014-05-05 9:16 AM
Lightfoot - 2014-05-05 10:13 AM I read that the mare had an undiagnosed breathing problem when she was racing. IÂ wonder how many other babies she has had and how much Lucky Pulpits breeding fee will go up now?Â
I think I heard on Derby Day that she just foaled a full sister to CC this year?Â
She's had two full sisters to Chrome. This article mentions what happened during her birth to Chrome. http://www.kentuckyderby.com/news/2014/05/01/they-were-famous I believe because of the injury they did not breed her back the year Chrome was born but she has had two fillies since. I kept seeing pictures of him when he was a colt and it looked like Love the Chase had a port in her neck. I always wondered what it was for until I found the article above that mentioned it. |
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     Location: North Dakota | Great story! |
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      Location: California | My husband has known Art for a zillion years. He's a great guy to ride for and everyone at Golden Gate are tickled to death that he won the Derby. I was scared to death on the walkover because he was way on the muscle but once away from the circus he settled. I had a $100 on his nose but I was praying for another horse to be up there - Ride On Curlin. Last into the first turn and horses are getting shut-off by an idiot so it's good he avoided that. Then he runs into dead horses on the rail. Calvin finally had to take him way outside and he ended up 7th. Now twice he had to go around dead horses on the rail. To lose that momentum it takes 7 yards to get it back and we thought he did great considering the traffic. We are looking forward for him to have a clear trip. |
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| My neighbor breaks and fits almost all of Arts 2 year olds. We were joking that the one horses that he didn't break, would win the Derby. Go figure! |
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      Location: West Tennessee | jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that.
Oh my gosh -- have you actually looked at his pedigree? His dam's side is loaded with X-facter (large heart gene) horses including Princequillo (Secretariat) -- in the correct spots to pass it on.
I'm definitely no expert, but I'd hardly call him an aberration even if he never wins another thing. |
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        Location: Ky | Canchasr1 - 2014-05-05 8:25 AM jd&ez - 2014-05-04 7:42 PM Great story but this is an aberation. Just the fact that it is a story should tell you that. Proven breeding lines and proven training methods are proven because they work. We will have the occasional outlier in this business. They for good stories because of that. If you take a look at the breeding on this horse, his dam is well bred. Just because she didnt run, doesnt mean she wont produce. And just because the stud fee wasnt 150k, doesnt mean it wasnt a good cross.
Pretty ignorant statement if you ask me....
Then why is it a story? That's pretty ignorant if you ask me. Thing is, no one asked me and no one asked you. |
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