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| I'm sorry, a trim is a trim no matter what they call it. If a horse is sore afterwards, it means they are trimmed too short and/or they took too much off of the sole and/or frog.
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Location: ND | geez....just because someone can trim for a shoe job doesn't mean they can trim a horse to go barefoot....they are two different concepts and shapes...you can cover up a pretty ****ty trim with a shoe and plenty of folks, even good horsemen can't necessarily tell.......your horse is sore because the farrier did a ****ty job of trimming him for you to keep riding .....and honestly, a horse should NEVER be sore after a regular trim......(now take that with a grain of salt if they have other problems----but if they do, you obviously should know that and treat accordingly)...... and your farrier is also a dumbass to think that painting reducine is going to fix your problem....either that or he doesn't believe you that they are sore and is just telling you something to get you off his back...........
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| cinch - 2014-05-06 2:20 PM
I think he shoes for enough big names that he is qualifed. These people would go to someone else if his work was not good because before he moved here they did haul several hours to someone else.
He does barefoot trims for other people and some have told me their horses also got sore for afew days and I found a blog somewhere and soreness must be common because it was talked about alot and these were posts from all over the country.
If I survive this one from now on I want a ordinary everyday trim. lolÂ
I think you need to educate yourself about barefoot trimming, it is not the same as a trim, I just attended a seminar on barefoot trimming, and the consensus is a great barefoot trimmer only uses the rasp, they do not use nippers. It also takes 2-3 times the amount of time especially the first time then it does a regular farrier.
Pete Ramney has just published a new book, I haven't read it yet, but I hear his barefoot trimming has changed a lot from his first book to the extent he is telling everyone to burn the first one.
Google barefoot trimming, actually go to Pete Ramney's website and see if your horses feet look anything like his pictures.
Just because he has kept horses barefoot doesn't mean he is a are foot trimmer.
A few things to look out for is heat and pedal pulses in your horse. It sounds like your horse may have developed laminitis from the trim, if you feel pedal pulses, then the coffin bone may end up rotating and you may have a foundered horse. As others have said, I would get your horse on an anti inflammatory, I would suggest getting a vet out to assess the situation. | |
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Location: ND | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-06 2:39 PM cinch - 2014-05-06 2:20 PM I think he shoes for enough big names that he is qualifed. These people would go to someone else if his work was not good because before he moved here they did haul several hours to someone else.
He does barefoot trims for other people and some have told me their horses also got sore for afew days and I found a blog somewhere and soreness must be common because it was talked about alot and these were posts from all over the country.
If I survive this one from now on I want a ordinary everyday trim. lol I think you need to educate yourself about barefoot trimming, it is not the same as a trim, I just attended a seminar on barefoot trimming, and the consensus is a great barefoot trimmer only uses the rasp, they do not use nippers. It also takes 2-3 times the amount of time especially the first time then it does a regular farrier. Pete Ramney has just published a new book, I haven't read it yet, but I hear his barefoot trimming has changed a lot from his first book to the extent he is telling everyone to burn the first one. Google barefoot trimming, actually go to Pete Ramney's website and see if your horses feet look anything like his pictures. Just because he has kept horses barefoot doesn't mean he is a are foot trimmer. A few things to look out for is heat and pedal pulses in your horse. It sounds like your horse may have developed laminitis from the trim, if you feel pedal pulses, then the coffin bone may end up rotating and you may have a foundered horse. As others have said, I would get your horse on an anti inflammatory, I would suggest getting a vet out to assess the situation.
well....the first two sentences....to clarify.....the rest is worth reading
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Location: Midwest | dhdqhllc - 2014-05-06 2:41 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-06 2:39 PM cinch - 2014-05-06 2:20 PM I think he shoes for enough big names that he is qualifed. These people would go to someone else if his work was not good because before he moved here they did haul several hours to someone else.
He does barefoot trims for other people and some have told me their horses also got sore for afew days and I found a blog somewhere and soreness must be common because it was talked about alot and these were posts from all over the country.
If I survive this one from now on I want a ordinary everyday trim. lol I think you need to educate yourself about barefoot trimming, it is not the same as a trim, I just attended a seminar on barefoot trimming, and the consensus is a great barefoot trimmer only uses the rasp, they do not use nippers. It also takes 2-3 times the amount of time especially the first time then it does a regular farrier. Pete Ramney has just published a new book, I haven't read it yet, but I hear his barefoot trimming has changed a lot from his first book to the extent he is telling everyone to burn the first one. Google barefoot trimming, actually go to Pete Ramney's website and see if your horses feet look anything like his pictures. Just because he has kept horses barefoot doesn't mean he is a are foot trimmer. A few things to look out for is heat and pedal pulses in your horse. It sounds like your horse may have developed laminitis from the trim, if you feel pedal pulses, then the coffin bone may end up rotating and you may have a foundered horse. As others have said, I would get your horse on an anti inflammatory, I would suggest getting a vet out to assess the situation.
well....the first two sentences....to clarify.....the rest is worth reading
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My Heelers are Heroes
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| He's NOT sore after a regular trim. No failure on my part. I also did not say reducine would cure anything, he said it would help toughen his feet.
Someone suggested turpintine, I didn't even think about it but that could be a better choice. He believes me enough to be coming out and is stopping to get a can of the venice turpintine.
No more gimmicks for me.
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| I'll look at the pictures but I know I'm done with it. If this horse gets over it this time I'm sticking to regular trims. Never had a problem with a regular trim. | |
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Location: Florida.. | cinch - 2014-05-06 3:44 PM He's NOT sore after a regular trim. No failure on my part. I also did not say reducine would cure anything, he said it would help toughen his feet.
Someone suggested turpintine, I didn't even think about it but that could be a better choice. He believes me enough to be coming out and is stopping to get a can of the venice turpintine.
No more gimmicks for me.
give him a bute and a week off and turpentine the bottoms and I think he will be ok ..and stay with regular trims IMHO some swear by that barefoot trim.... i think its hogwash...my opinion though
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Location: ND | cinch - 2014-05-06 2:51 PM I'll look at the pictures but I know I'm done with it. If this horse gets over it this time I'm sticking to regular trims. Never had a problem with a regular trim.
LMAO....a good trim should always be a good trim........
and you should get your money back from your dumbass farrier
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Location: Arizona | cinch - 2014-05-06 2:51 PM
I'll look at the pictures but I know I'm done with it. If this horse gets over it this time I'm sticking to regular trims. Never had a problem with a regular trim.Â
I know a lot of people who's horses have been lamed up for a long time from "barefoot trims." I know it has worked wonders for a lot of horses but some horses it does more harm than good. I just stick to good old fashioned trims for most of my horses and shoes on the fronts for one. I hope your horse gets better soon. I also agree with others here that it is not necessarily the style of trim that is the failure but poor judgement in part of the farrier. | |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-05-06 2:41 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-06 2:39 PM cinch - 2014-05-06 2:20 PM I think he shoes for enough big names that he is qualifed. These people would go to someone else if his work was not good because before he moved here they did haul several hours to someone else.
He does barefoot trims for other people and some have told me their horses also got sore for afew days and I found a blog somewhere and soreness must be common because it was talked about alot and these were posts from all over the country.
If I survive this one from now on I want a ordinary everyday trim. lol I think you need to educate yourself about barefoot trimming, it is not the same as a trim, I just attended a seminar on barefoot trimming, and the consensus is a great barefoot trimmer only uses the rasp, they do not use nippers. It also takes 2-3 times the amount of time especially the first time then it does a regular farrier. Pete Ramney has just published a new book, I haven't read it yet, but I hear his barefoot trimming has changed a lot from his first book to the extent he is telling everyone to burn the first one. Google barefoot trimming, actually go to Pete Ramney's website and see if your horses feet look anything like his pictures. Just because he has kept horses barefoot doesn't mean he is a are foot trimmer. A few things to look out for is heat and pedal pulses in your horse. It sounds like your horse may have developed laminitis from the trim, if you feel pedal pulses, then the coffin bone may end up rotating and you may have a foundered horse. As others have said, I would get your horse on an anti inflammatory, I would suggest getting a vet out to assess the situation.
well....the first two sentences....to clarify.....the rest is worth reading
That's what the certified barefoot trimming world is going to. It does make sense, as you remove the excess foot down to the plane of the foot. If someone gets over zealous with the nippers, you can do more damage then good, you can cut off too much, and sore up a horse such as what happened to the OP.
Barefoot trimmers are also saying to maintain the barefoot "trim" the feet should be maintained every 3-4 weeks, not the 6-8 that farriers use. I can also understand that as well.
For the person who would be ****ed about buying the first book, think realistically, all vet, doctor, nursing, lab text books, I don't want the professionals I see to use the first edition, I want them to use the most current research, the most current text books, this is why there are more then one edition. I am glad that Pete noticed a discrepancy, continued his education, and documented about it, and has admitted too many things have changed for his first book to still be creditable.
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Location: Midwest | Ok, I think someone needs to explain to me what a "Barefoot trim" is vs a "regular trim" for an unshod horse because I fail to see the difference in the outcome.
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My Heelers are Heroes
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-05-06 2:52 PM cinch - 2014-05-06 3:44 PM He's NOT sore after a regular trim. No failure on my part. I also did not say reducine would cure anything, he said it would help toughen his feet.
Someone suggested turpintine, I didn't even think about it but that could be a better choice. He believes me enough to be coming out and is stopping to get a can of the venice turpintine.
No more gimmicks for me.
give him a bute and a week off and turpentine the bottoms and I think he will be ok ..and stay with regular trims IMHO some swear by that barefoot trim.... i think its hogwash...my opinion though
As we both know, some people aren't real smart. lol From all I've read it's little more than a gimmick and lameness is quite common. They call it getting used to it. | |
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Location: ND | logic can be tough to come by, i see.........
but it appears good information is as well....... | |
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Location: Midwest | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-06 3:00 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-05-06 2:41 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-06 2:39 PM cinch - 2014-05-06 2:20 PM I think he shoes for enough big names that he is qualifed. These people would go to someone else if his work was not good because before he moved here they did haul several hours to someone else.
He does barefoot trims for other people and some have told me their horses also got sore for afew days and I found a blog somewhere and soreness must be common because it was talked about alot and these were posts from all over the country.
If I survive this one from now on I want a ordinary everyday trim. lol I think you need to educate yourself about barefoot trimming, it is not the same as a trim, I just attended a seminar on barefoot trimming, and the consensus is a great barefoot trimmer only uses the rasp, they do not use nippers. It also takes 2-3 times the amount of time especially the first time then it does a regular farrier. Pete Ramney has just published a new book, I haven't read it yet, but I hear his barefoot trimming has changed a lot from his first book to the extent he is telling everyone to burn the first one. Google barefoot trimming, actually go to Pete Ramney's website and see if your horses feet look anything like his pictures. Just because he has kept horses barefoot doesn't mean he is a are foot trimmer. A few things to look out for is heat and pedal pulses in your horse. It sounds like your horse may have developed laminitis from the trim, if you feel pedal pulses, then the coffin bone may end up rotating and you may have a foundered horse. As others have said, I would get your horse on an anti inflammatory, I would suggest getting a vet out to assess the situation.
well....the first two sentences....to clarify.....the rest is worth reading That's what the certified barefoot trimming world is going to. It does make sense, as you remove the excess foot down to the plane of the foot. If someone gets over zealous with the nippers, you can do more damage then good, you can cut off too much, and sore up a horse such as what happened to the OP. Barefoot trimmers are also saying to maintain the barefoot "trim" the feet should be maintained every 3-4 weeks, not the 6-8 that farriers use. I can also understand that as well. For the person who would be ****ed about buying the first book, think realistically, all vet, doctor, nursing, lab text books, I don't want the professionals I see to use the first edition, I want them to use the most current research, the most current text books, this is why there are more then one edition. I am glad that Pete noticed a discrepancy, continued his education, and documented about it, and has admitted too many things have changed for his first book to still be creditable.
Out of curiousity, what changed? New research published in journals? How does one continue their education? | |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-06 4:01 PM
Ok, I think someone needs to explain to me what a "Barefoot trim" is vs a "regular trim" for an unshod horse because I fail to see the difference in the outcome.
If a horse is trimmed right, it won't be soreÂ
Thank You!!! i was going to ask whats the difference in a "barefoot" trim versus a regular trim. What? To me a horse without shoes getting a regular trim is "barefoot" lol. All i've ever heard is people loving it, or people saying its BS, but i've never taken the time to educate myself on it. | |
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| horsepoor1 - 2014-05-06 3:25 PM
barrelracr131 - 2014-05-06 4:01 PM
Ok, I think someone needs to explain to me what a "Barefoot trim" is vs a "regular trim" for an unshod horse because I fail to see the difference in the outcome.
If a horse is trimmed right, it won't be soreÂ
Thank You!!! i was going to ask whats the difference in a "barefoot" trim versus a regular trim. What? To me a horse without shoes getting a regular trim is "barefoot" lol. All i've ever heard is people loving it, or people saying its BS, but i've never taken the time to educate myself on it.
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Location: Alabama | dhdqhllc - 2014-05-06 2:41 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-06 2:39 PM cinch - 2014-05-06 2:20 PM I think he shoes for enough big names that he is qualifed. These people would go to someone else if his work was not good because before he moved here they did haul several hours to someone else.
He does barefoot trims for other people and some have told me their horses also got sore for afew days and I found a blog somewhere and soreness must be common because it was talked about alot and these were posts from all over the country.
If I survive this one from now on I want a ordinary everyday trim. lol I think you need to educate yourself about barefoot trimming, it is not the same as a trim, I just attended a seminar on barefoot trimming, and the consensus is a great barefoot trimmer only uses the rasp, they do not use nippers. It also takes 2-3 times the amount of time especially the first time then it does a regular farrier. Pete Ramney has just published a new book, I haven't read it yet, but I hear his barefoot trimming has changed a lot from his first book to the extent he is telling everyone to burn the first one. Google barefoot trimming, actually go to Pete Ramney's website and see if your horses feet look anything like his pictures. Just because he has kept horses barefoot doesn't mean he is a are foot trimmer. A few things to look out for is heat and pedal pulses in your horse. It sounds like your horse may have developed laminitis from the trim, if you feel pedal pulses, then the coffin bone may end up rotating and you may have a foundered horse. As others have said, I would get your horse on an anti inflammatory, I would suggest getting a vet out to assess the situation.
well....the first two sentences....to clarify.....the rest is worth reading
Amen! ( I also disagree with the first two sentences and agree with dhdqhllc )
No a horse should not be sore after a trim done correctly, but, there are always exceptions to
that rule. No horse should be 4 legged lame after a correctly done trim.
Your farrier may shoe for many big names, but, honestly, that doesn't prove anything.
Just because they use him and he applies shoes, does not mean they are all "right"
he's simply not made a bunch of horses lame, nor do the owners know what a healthy foot
looks like (or should look like).
And anyone asking the difference between a "barefoot trim" and a "regular trim" has not
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | SaraJean - 2014-05-06 8:41 AM The barefoot trim didn't fail, your farrier did. If this horse has been sound since December your farrier most likely dug a bunch of sole out & that is why the horse is sore.
I agree with Sara. My horses go barefoot 99% of the time. I trim the broodmares and ranch geldings and have a great old farrier do my performance horses. We leave all the frog that is live and attached, don't cut out any live sole. I mean if they are getting a knife and digging that out, what is the point other than to make it pretty? I just use the nippers to scrape the dead flaky sole away. Trimming barefoot and trimming for shoes are 2 different things as well. If they cut them as short as they do for shoes you are going to have a sore footed horse. | |
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Location: Florida.. | cinch - 2014-05-06 4:02 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-05-06 2:52 PM cinch - 2014-05-06 3:44 PM He's NOT sore after a regular trim. No failure on my part. I also did not say reducine would cure anything, he said it would help toughen his feet.
Someone suggested turpintine, I didn't even think about it but that could be a better choice. He believes me enough to be coming out and is stopping to get a can of the venice turpintine.
No more gimmicks for me.
give him a bute and a week off and turpentine the bottoms and I think he will be ok ..and stay with regular trims IMHO some swear by that barefoot trim.... i think its hogwash...my opinion though
I wont go as far as caling them that...thats not what my post meant.lol..maybe i need to reword it.. some swear by it and it works.. we had bad results so I feel its hogwash when people say its the only way to go as far as horses and natural and how they should be trimmed.. we had lame horses.. it could have been the apprentice but I wont ever do it again.. | |
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