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| foundation horse - 2014-05-06 9:27 PM
The following is what The School Board has to say: “The School District policies IGE, IJ, IJA, KEC (available on the school district website ) refer to the procedures for the use of novels containing controversial material. The district will take immediate action to revise these policies to include notification that requires parents to accept controversial materials rather than to opt out. Furthermore, the notification will detail more specifically the controversial material.” Note highlighted text. Just who the hell is in charge here?! The School Board or The Parents? Who funds The School Board? Later excerpt from article: Baer told EAGNews.org that he believes the incident is proof that public schools are trying to indoctrinate children with moral relativism. “Many people in education and government truly believe our children are theirs,” he told the group. “These school incidents are a byproduct of this ‘we know best’ philosophy.” I agree with Mr. Baer's Point of View in regards to this!
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I cannot believe anyone could agree with having this book in any class as teaching material!! ..
Have you read the link and the few tidbits of the sexual scene that was presented in a very limited fashion ... do what the author of the book suggests and read the few tidbits to your kids as a parent and add a few of your carpet burn experiences!!
You might also tell them to how to clean the sticky puddle off the carpet so no one will notice what they have been doing ...
It is impossible to get on the agenda list at any school function or even to talk about bad roads with county commissioners anymore .... the subject matter you have is never on that agenda and is not permissible is the reason people are lined up to speak on the public forum ....
Keep in mind this sexual act is on page 313 ... so what other trash is taught on the school shooting in this same book and other parts of its content ...???
I WAS ASHAMED OF THE OTHER PARENTS for not ordering the cop to get out of the room since it is a public meeting between parents and a schoolboard that is off limits and form a barrier around the Dad .... they sat there like mice and afraid of getting involved ... see the power of the intimidation the schoolboard has over the parents ..... GRRRRRRRRRR
The schoolboard, teachers and any state approval committee all should be arrested for giving porn to underage children and barred from ever teaching or being a part of any schooling of children again ....
I find it pathetic anyone would agree to this book and the same with everyone jumping on Sterling in a setup private conversation with his mistress and everyone blowing a gasket when he told her he did not want Magic Johnson sitting in his booth with her anymore .... MAGIC JOHNSON AND AN INVESTOR WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BUY THE CLIPPERS ... and they setup this deal with his mistress and you and the news media fried Sterling for NOTHING!!!
FIRE THE ENTIRE SCHOOL BOARD AND OTHERS INCLUDING THE TEACHER THAT ALLOWED THIS BOOK TO BE TEACHING MATERIAL ...
GO READ THE LINK ...
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Location: Oklahoma | He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions. |
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| Here is why I don't go to some of the "parent teacher meetings." As far as group class meetings. I will ask my kids teacher what is on the agenda and if it is something where my opinion, input, or anything maters. She lets me know and I go from there. As far as something with the school itself yeah who knows. I just prey that God will get back in the classroom and just go from there after that! |
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| Morab76 - 2014-05-06 10:45 PM
He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions.
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| Itsme - 2014-05-06 11:41 PM
Morab76 - 2014-05-06 10:45 PM
He was arrested for refusing to follow police orders, not for speaking his mind. This man has a history of being verbally abusive at these meetings and was lucky to be there. You do not see his rant prior to the video beginning as well. If you want to experience a true police state, then go overseas and witness the oppression and government control in many nations. It was not about his opinion, it was about his history and the way he voices his opinions.
This is about our country, not other countries.
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I saw both tapes and there was no ranting by the Dad ... the schoolboard was the one trying to voice over him during his time to speak ....
BTW .... THE DAD IS AN ATTORNEY and knows how to present himself ...
IT IS THE SCHOOLBOARD DISTRIBUTING PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL TO UNDERAGE CHILDREN AND SHOULD BE CHARGED ..... TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW!!! |
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| foundation horse - 2014-05-06 9:31 PM kmcsunshine - 2014-05-06 9:24 PM My 2 cents......
I wonder if this man thinks about the example he set for his child? Was he really taking a stand? Does he let his children watch televison, go to R rated movies, does he cuss or drink in front of them? I read what I wanted when I wanted. Read Scruples in junior high school, talk about an eye opener. I still read, but can't say I like books that are raunchy. I do think that a parent should have some control over what is being presented to a child in classroom. I think it is MORE IMPORTANT to build such a good foundation at home that what is presented doesn't matter. So, even though I'm not a fan of public education, I'm siding with the school board on this one. KM, I understand and agree with Your Arguement. However, there is a 'But' in this.
Read my post previous to yours in regards to The School Board's Policy (highlighted in yellow ) and then please give Me/Us Your thoughts then.
And Yes, I am fully aware that Your Children were/are Home Schooled. It is scenario (s ) and mindset (s ) like this School Board's that drive Folks to Home School!
And why My Boys are in a Top Rated/Tiered Charte School in Texas.
The school board is wrong. However, we must have rules for telling them or we have anarchy.
How do we change things. Vote the idiots out, but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions including President. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | According to my local school board member, our governor, Bobby Jindal - note the name-has passed legislation that effectively ties their hands. They are sitting and drawing a check and can't do anything. Bobby Jindal is NOT what this country needs. |
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| CanCan - 2014-05-07 6:54 AM According to my local school board member, our governor, Bobby Jindal - note the name-has passed legislation that effectively ties their hands. They are sitting and drawing a check and can't do anything. Bobby Jindal is NOT what this country needs.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kmcsunshine - 2014-05-07 6:57 AM CanCan - 2014-05-07 6:54 AM According to my local school board member, our governor, Bobby Jindal - note the name-has passed legislation that effectively ties their hands. They are sitting and drawing a check and can't do anything. Bobby Jindal is NOT what this country needs. Question. How did Jindal, acting alone pass any legislation? Would not many more elected officials been involved?
Research how common core has been adopted by 46 states and there is your answer. Under-handed, back-door, no public comments or meetings...just here you are, these are the new standards, deal with it. (Decided by the governors) We don't care that they are developmentally inappropriate for the younger kids, or lower than they should be for children preparing to attend a 4 year university. We don't care that educators didn't participate in writing them, or that they are being pushed by private industry (Pearson just scored an unprecedented contract and has positioned itself to basically control every facet of education) and are being objected to by parents and teachers alike, or that the aligned curriculums being marketed were done in a hurry and are a mess, and the standardized testing required with this makes No Child Left Behind look like a picnic and is super expensive, or that our children's privacy will be invaded by the data mining, or the federal government bribed the states with NCLB waivers and Race To The Top grants, or that schools are so overwhelmed they are "striving to meet the standards, not exceed them"...none of that matters, because Arne Duncan knows best and we MUST turn out good little worker bees to stay competitive in a global economy. Bullfreakincrap. |
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Wow...just wow. If I'm not mistaken whiteboy you are LDS as well so understand where I'm coming from. If my sons ever came home with reading material like this I would be insanely furious. I cannot believe this is allowed. How is this any different than distributing porn?! Why is someone not punishing the school for forcing porn on minors?! The public education system scares me and you could bet I would be at the board meeting and would not be polite about it either. What's even more shocking is 80% of parents said they aren't opposed to the book, even after reading the passages. Where are the moral values in this country? Don't most parents want their children to have a healthy and responsible view about sex and what it is, not what some school indoctrinates them to think?! IMO that is a private matter not something that should be taught to the masses. |
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| : “Semen, sticky and hot, pooled on the carpet beneath her.”
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Location: west of East Texas | "...... but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions ......"
THIS is so true! This starts at the local level. Our last county election had 9 positions on the ballot. 5 of them had one candidate. Our last school board election had 4 positions open and all 4 had only one candidate. The county positions are paid positions but IMO not paid enough to entice a qualified person to actually run. Two of our newly electeds bluntly stated they were running for office for the health insurance and before they got too old to qualify for the state retirement. The school board is not a paid position and is mostly figurehead. |
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Location: North Texas | chasendacash - 2014-05-07 10:44 AM "...... but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions ......"
THIS is so true! This starts at the local level. Our last county election had 9 positions on the ballot. 5 of them had one candidate. Our last school board election had 4 positions open and all 4 had only one candidate. The county positions are paid positions but IMO not paid enough to entice a qualified person to actually run. Two of our newly electeds bluntly stated they were running for office for the health insurance and before they got too old to qualify for the state retirement. The school board is not a paid position and is mostly figurehead.
If the School Board Members are mostly figure heads (per your statement) then who is in charge in this particular School District? |
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| Most school districts have paid administrators who work with a committee of teachers and possibly parents to find, approve and submit the ciriculum to the board for approval. |
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Location: Arizona | chasendacash - 2014-05-07 10:44 AM
"...... but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions ......"
THIS is so true! This starts at the local level. Our last county election had 9 positions on the ballot. 5 of them had one candidate. Our last school board election had 4 positions open and all 4 had only one candidate. The county positions are paid positions but IMO not paid enough to entice a qualified person to actually run. Two of our newly electeds bluntly stated they were running for office for the health insurance and before they got too old to qualify for the state retirement. The school board is not a paid position and is mostly figurehead.
Well then how do parents have a say in what materials are being used to teach their children? What can be done?
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | MsDuchessGoTe - 2014-05-07 11:18 AM chasendacash - 2014-05-07 10:44 AM "...... but first good decent people have to be willing to take on the role of being on the school board. It appears that neither of the above will happen in most places in regard to school boards and other elected positions ......"
THIS is so true! This starts at the local level. Our last county election had 9 positions on the ballot. 5 of them had one candidate. Our last school board election had 4 positions open and all 4 had only one candidate. The county positions are paid positions but IMO not paid enough to entice a qualified person to actually run. Two of our newly electeds bluntly stated they were running for office for the health insurance and before they got too old to qualify for the state retirement. The school board is not a paid position and is mostly figurehead. Well then how do parents have a say in what materials are being used to teach their children? What can be done?
Be a squeaky wheel and **** the consequences. Because there are consequences for speaking out or having an opinion that goes against the grain. Especially in small communities. People take it personally if you criticize anything about the local school. Even worse if you put your kids in private. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-07 8:37 AM kmcsunshine - 2014-05-07 6:57 AM CanCan - 2014-05-07 6:54 AM According to my local school board member, our governor, Bobby Jindal - note the name-has passed legislation that effectively ties their hands. They are sitting and drawing a check and can't do anything. Bobby Jindal is NOT what this country needs. Question. How did Jindal, acting alone pass any legislation? Would not many more elected officials been involved?
Kind of hard to explain to an outsider what LA/AR/MS politics are like. |
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Location: minnesota | I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away.
This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like.
Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point.
Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous.
And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.
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| JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 11:58 AM I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away. This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like. Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point. Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous. And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.
This type of attitude is what got our nation in the mess we are in now. It is not wrong to question authority. I think we all agree that the guy could have handled it better. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, right is right even if nobody is doing it. |
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Location: minnesota | Whiteboy - 2014-05-07 12:13 PM
JazzyGirl - 2014-05-07 11:58 AM I think this guy was rude and disrespectful. He was asked several times very nicely to please stop. Then blatantly disobeyed an officer. Arrest away. This is a perfect example of what the children of the future will look like. Complete disregard for rules. A self entitlement to act however they want because they think they have a point. Do I think this guy had a valid point? Sure. But the gentleman in the gray shirt is a positive example of how to act when you have a valid point. Being a bully just to get a point across is ridiculous. And disobeying an officer is a no no. An officer of the law is to be respected, when they ask you to do something, you do it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.
This type of attitude is what got our nation in the mess we are in now. It is not wrong to question authority. I think we all agree that the guy could have handled it better. Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, right is right even if nobody is doing it.
I disagree. This statement is not blanketed to follow blindly into the stupid abyss that violates rights. It is simple respect. There is a HUGE difference between abiding by rules and accepting punishment when you choose to disobey, vrs the world of politics. POLITICS is what got this nation into the mess we are in today. Don't confuse the two.
This guy chose to come to a meeting that runs in a certain manner. Then CHOSE to be a dick and speak out of turn, over people, and NOT listen to the very polite lady asking him to stop. Then he CHOSE to disobey an officer who was there to keep the peace. You get no where in life by being a bully and disrespecting the people around you. There were several other people at that meeting who wanted to speak.
You can read what you like into it. But it is plain and simple. Respect. |
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