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Location: SE Louisiana | RidenFly - 2014-05-12 12:55 PM The media will cover anything that draws viewers so they can please the advertisers. The more viewers the more they charge those advertisers the more exposure the product. They are talking about Sam not because he is gay but because Proctor and Gamble need to sell more deodorant. Same concept applies to anything that might make a person throw thier hands in the air. THEY WANT you to get upset because then you'll watch thier news like a train wreck.
I don't care what the dude choses for his personal life. Good luck and go play good ball. But If I were him, I would want to be known for my skills in my profession, not that i'm attracted to cowboys that look like Luke. LOL
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| TrailGirl - 2014-05-12 11:20 AM
I hear ya.
Right now in Arkansas they are seeking (and being successful) in overturning a law that was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by the people of the state to ban recognition of Same Sex  Marriages.  A small vocal activist minority is suing to overturn the wishes of the majority.  I have a problem with that.  Itf the voters speak...it should stand.  If they want to change it...take another vote.  It could be any issue...not just this one...and I'd feel the same way.  What people do in their bedroom isn't my concern...it's when they push their agenda on everyone else with zero tolerance of other opinions that I take issue.
The wishes of the people mean nothing to this government...but we already knew that.Â
So what you are saying is that the will of the majority should trump the rights of the minority? There are reasons we have constitutional rights....one of them being to protect individual (minority) from this thinking. What if the majority voted to ban interracial marriage, would that be ok? If certain states (majority) think black people shouldn't be allowed to vote is that ok? I am as conservative as they come, and while I don't necessarily agree with gay marriage, I don't see how, constitutionally speaking, the rights of gay people to marry can even be questioned. Marriage is not strictly a religious institution. In our society marriage also carries with it tax, inheritance, and a slew of other implications.....all of which are essentially being denied to gay individuals who are not allowed to marry (in certain states). While I agree that the will of the majority should decide most issues, rights afforded to individuals is not one of them. |
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Location: Midwest | Haulin@$$ - 2014-05-12 1:14 PM TrailGirl - 2014-05-12 11:20 AM I hear ya.
Right now in Arkansas they are seeking (and being successful) in overturning a law that was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by the people of the state to ban recognition of Same Sex Marriages. A small vocal activist minority is suing to overturn the wishes of the majority. I have a problem with that. Itf the voters speak...it should stand. If they want to change it...take another vote. It could be any issue...not just this one...and I'd feel the same way. What people do in their bedroom isn't my concern...it's when they push their agenda on everyone else with zero tolerance of other opinions that I take issue.
The wishes of the people mean nothing to this government...but we already knew that. So what you are saying is that the will of the majority should trump the rights of the minority? There are reasons we have constitutional rights....one of them being to protect individual (minority ) from this thinking. What if the majority voted to ban interracial marriage, would that be ok? If certain states (majority ) think black people shouldn't be allowed to vote is that ok? I am as conservative as they come, and while I don't necessarily agree with gay marriage, I don't see how, constitutionally speaking, the rights of gay people to marry can even be questioned. Marriage is not strictly a religious institution. In our society marriage also carries with it tax, inheritance, and a slew of other implications.....all of which are essentially being denied to gay individuals who are not allowed to marry (in certain states ). While I agree that the will of the majority should decide most issues, rights afforded to individuals is not one of them.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-12 1:15 PM Haulin@$$ - 2014-05-12 1:14 PM TrailGirl - 2014-05-12 11:20 AM I hear ya.
Right now in Arkansas they are seeking (and being successful) in overturning a law that was voted on and approved overwhelmingly by the people of the state to ban recognition of Same Sex Marriages. A small vocal activist minority is suing to overturn the wishes of the majority. I have a problem with that. Itf the voters speak...it should stand. If they want to change it...take another vote. It could be any issue...not just this one...and I'd feel the same way. What people do in their bedroom isn't my concern...it's when they push their agenda on everyone else with zero tolerance of other opinions that I take issue.
The wishes of the people mean nothing to this government...but we already knew that. So what you are saying is that the will of the majority should trump the rights of the minority? There are reasons we have constitutional rights....one of them being to protect individual (minority ) from this thinking. What if the majority voted to ban interracial marriage, would that be ok? If certain states (majority ) think black people shouldn't be allowed to vote is that ok? I am as conservative as they come, and while I don't necessarily agree with gay marriage, I don't see how, constitutionally speaking, the rights of gay people to marry can even be questioned. Marriage is not strictly a religious institution. In our society marriage also carries with it tax, inheritance, and a slew of other implications.....all of which are essentially being denied to gay individuals who are not allowed to marry (in certain states ). While I agree that the will of the majority should decide most issues, rights afforded to individuals is not one of them.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Well and you guys make a great point. I just tend to cringe when the voters are given an opportunity to vote...and then that result is just tossed aside.
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Location: Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 1:00 PM fatchance - 2014-05-12 12:49 PM He has his work cut out for him. Not because he is gay, because his stats were not that good, but the Rams felt he was worth taking. Sure he is a great guy and has over comed a lot, but haven't we all. I know I did, but it's not news worthy it called life.
Livin, I am so happy you find no need to say much about your choices. Because they are just that.
My husband good friend was here with his then girlfriend, and out of no where decided to tell me that her prior relationship of 7 years was with a woman.....I just looked at her and said "Thats relevant how to this conversation?" SHE was looking to shock me. She felt I had a right to know? I assured her I didn't care, but hoped she shared this information with my husbands friend, he might find it relevant?
I swear most media tries to stir up more crap about nothing, hubby blames it on that they see the high ratings of reality TV and goes for it.
Actually, fatchance is right. His stats aren't that good if you break them down on a game-by-game basis. His stats that earned him co-defensive player were obtained in 2 games. (Maybe 3 games, I can't remember exactly...but pretty sure it was 2.) Also, his size and speed hurts him. He's not big enough to play his college position in the NFL and not fast enough to really be moved elsewhere. And if I had paid better attention, I could have told you which positions. I don't think his sexuality helped him in the draft, but I don't believe it really hurt him either.
But  to the media for making a mountain out of a molehill. I'd rather have more gay players than the womanizers, wife beaters, etc. But that isn't news anymore... |
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komet. - 2014-05-13 11:05 AM Never mind.. I found it!!!
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Location: Oklahoma | The problem I had with the coverage was hearing the commentator state if Sams had not been drafted, it would have been a huge step backwards for the NFL and "shame ion them" for being prejudice. No, Mr. Commentator, if he had not been drafted it would have been because of his cruddy performance at the Combine!
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | kdb2qq - 2014-05-12 12:15 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it. Edited for spelling
Well, the little crybaby already said he should have been picked sooner, so **** right he's causing it. The only reason he inflicted his homosexuality on the world was so they could make a stink if he didn't make it. Like I said about the flaming homosexual weir at the Derby, I have had ENOUGH. And it would be a cold day in hell before my employer sent me to a homosexual re-education indoctrination camp to keep my job. Did the nfl ever say a word about all the feces flung at Tebow because he is a Christian? Oh hell, no, white Christian male be the debil!
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Location: Pacific Northwest | GoGaited - 2014-05-12 2:55 PM
kdb2qq - 2014-05-12 12:15 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2014-05-12 11:49 AM It shouldn't be a big deal but it is because it's something that will create a "story" since it's a controversial topic. It can be really easy to say that gays/lesbians/bis "ask for it" and that it's "not a big deal they just make it one" but as a girl with a girlfriend AND a person that does not like attention, I don't ask for it. You'll never see me at a protest or gay pride parade lol. But even if I don't ask for it, I still get dirty looks or smart comments. It might not necessarily be the player himself wanting the attention, it's just the way the media is. For example if I were a NFR level rider and everyone knew I had a girlfriend I'm sure it would be talked about to some extent whether I wanted it to be or not. Sometimes if I really think about it, it hurts that I can't tell someone I have a girlfriend without a pin prick of nervousness about how they're going to react. It's fine that some people don't agree with it - we have mutual friends that are devout Christian but they're still nice to us and don't lecture us. And then some people are just jerks about it. I guess it's something that people don't really get if you aren't in that position. I'm pretty sure none of you have ever been scared that you were going to get ridiculed for saying you had a boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband. I'm sure if this guy ends up being a really good football player they'll forget about it to some extent. Kind of like how everyone knows Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian but it's not really "news" and it's not "why" she's famous. I agree 100%. Sometimes it's not the Michael Sams of the world who are creating the "media frenzy", they just have to live with it. Edited for spelling And it would be a cold day in hell before my employer sent me to a homosexual re-education indoctrination camp to keep my job. Did the nfl ever say a word about all the feces flung at Tebow because he is a Christian? Oh hell, no, white Christian male be the debil! Â
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 12:00 PM I would say that being a consensus All-American and SEC defensive player of the year is pretty impressive. I also think that the obstacles he has had to oversome is pretty amazing, and noteworthy. The kid experienced abandonment, murder of two of his siblings, the imprisonment of two others, homelessness....along with a life of having to hide who he is. I think that is something worth noting and it can serve as a good story that can inspire other kids. His kissing his boyfriend is not newsworthy as far as I'm cocerned.
Agree. That was just media exploiting a moment in an attempt to get ratings...much like all of the ballyhoo over Alabama QB AJ McCarron & his Miss Alabama girlfriend a year ago.
I was watching Total Access on the NFL Network last night and they did a piece on Michael Sam - what he's overcome, interviews with friends and teammates from high school and college, etc. There were 3 quotes that stood out to me (these may not be 100% word-for-word, but basically what was said):
From his HS football coach: "There is nothing that Michael Sam has that he has not had to earn."
From Michael Sam's media interview at the NFL Combine: "I hope one day you'll call me Michael Sam the football player - not Michael Sam the gay football player."
And my personal favorite (I think this goes for the media as well)...
From a Mizzou teammate (when asking if Michael Sam will be accepted by the NFL): "If a bunch of 19-22-yr-old kids can handle the news with acceptance and maturity - I would expect grown men who are being paid millions of dollars to be able to do the same." |
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Location: SE Louisiana | ghost rider - 2014-05-12 6:14 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-05-12 12:00 PM I would say that being a consensus All-American and SEC defensive player of the year is pretty impressive. Â I also think that the obstacles he has had to oversome is pretty amazing, and noteworthy. Â The kid experienced abandonment, murder of two of his siblings, the imprisonment of two others, homelessness....along with a life of having to hide who he is. Â I think that is something worth noting and it can serve as a good story that can inspire other kids. Â His kissing his boyfriend is not newsworthy as far as I'm cocerned.
Agree. That was just media exploiting a moment in an attempt to get ratings...much like all of the ballyhoo over Alabama QB AJ McCarron & his Miss Alabama girlfriend a year ago.Â
I was watching Total Access on the NFL Network last night and they did a piece on Michael Sam - what he's overcome, interviews with friends and teammates from high school and college, etc. There were 3 quotes that stood out to me (these may not be 100% word-for-word, but basically what was said):
From his HS football coach:Â "There is nothing that Michael Sam has that he has not had to earn."
From Michael Sam's media interview at the NFL Combine:Â "I hope one day you'll call me Michael Sam the football player - not Michael Sam the gay football player."
And my personal favorite (I think this goes for the media as well)...
From a Mizzou teammate (when asking if Michael Sam will be accepted by the NFL): "If a bunch of 19-22-yr-old kids can handle the news with acceptance and maturity - I would expect grown men who are being paid millions of dollars to be able to do the same."
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Location: SE Louisiana | luckyjo - 2014-05-12 6:39 PM
Maybe he's straight and just wanted to have the showers to himself.
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