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| To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common.
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| LRQHS - 2014-05-16 9:26 AM
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| Rodeodreamqueen - 2014-05-16 9:23 AM
To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common.
Paint actually is a breed AMERICAN PAINT HORSE ASSOCIATION, not all paint horses have the paint coloured markings. | |
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| Yes I am aware of the registry. That's why I specified that the dam of one of the better paint horses I run against isn't just APHA registered but also has white patches. | |
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| I am also an APHA member. My mom and I showed paint halter horses. She still does so I am certainly not trying to slam the registry. | |
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Location: Sperry, OK | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-16 9:33 AM Rodeodreamqueen - 2014-05-16 9:23 AM To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common. Paint actually is a breed AMERICAN PAINT HORSE ASSOCIATION, not all paint horses have the paint coloured markings.
So are Palaminos and Pintos a breed then?? Palomino Horse Association, Pinto Horse Association of America Inc. | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-05-16 9:33 AM
Rodeodreamqueen - 2014-05-16 9:23 AM
To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common.
Paint actually is a breed AMERICAN PAINT HORSE ASSOCIATION, not all paint horses have the paint coloured markings.
Of course it's a breed with a registry. But that doesn't change the validity if what rodeodreamqueen said. Most paints you see winning are out of (registered) paint mares and by proven QH studs. They are registerable as paints (color or not). ??? I don't see your point. | |
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Location: Midwest | Maybe because the bigger trainers are sticking with taking horses with proven pedigrees (usually QH's, because that's what most people are out there proving and running)
Unless they are a paint circuit person, how many of the folks who run the big shows/futurities/rodeos/races/whatever seek out paints as prospects?
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Location: PNW | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-16 9:51 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-16 9:33 AM Rodeodreamqueen - 2014-05-16 9:23 AM To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common. Paint actually is a breed AMERICAN PAINT HORSE ASSOCIATION, not all paint horses have the paint coloured markings.
No, they are colors. While Pintos and Paints may outwardly appear the same, genetically they would be different. The Pinto association is for crop outs from any breed.
People often only go by what a horse LOOKS LIKE. There's two sides to the genetic coin: phenotype and genotype. We only see the phenotype, but BREED is determined by the genotype. Of course there are phenotype cropouts in the Paint breed that come out solid, just like there are splashy cropouts in other breeds. Paint is a breed, not a color. If you breed two Paints, you're not going to end up with an Arabian, or a Clydesdale, or a Morgan - you're going to have a Paint, no matter what color it is. Contrary, if you breed two palominos - you will get a breed cross of whatever the two horses were, and it might be a palomino, or it might not. Other than color, there is no standard set of physical characteristics that can be repeatedly reproduced.
Cheryl's original comment was in response to RodeoDreamQueen's statement that Paint is only a color and not a breed. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Rodeodreamqueen - 2014-05-16 9:23 AM To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common.
If you look at it regionally, you can find colored sires who were successful in the rodeo arena that sired babies who were also successful. Apocalypse comes to mind--he stood in NW Arkansas. I ran against him, rode some of his babies, and my current barrel horse is a maternal grandson. Several of the current hot bloodlines were successful regionally long before they became known on the national stage. And there are others who are still only known in their respective regions, although there are lots of them winning. It's partly promotion and partly luck with who gets their hands on the babies. | |
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Location: Sperry, OK | svincent - 2014-05-16 10:40 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-16 9:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-16 9:33 AM Rodeodreamqueen - 2014-05-16 9:23 AM To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common. Paint actually is a breed AMERICAN PAINT HORSE ASSOCIATION, not all paint horses have the paint coloured markings. No, they are colors. While Pintos and Paints may outwardly appear the same, genetically they would be different. The Pinto association is for crop outs from any breed. People often only go by what a horse LOOKS LIKE. There's two sides to the genetic coin: phenotype and genotype. We only see the phenotype, but BREED is determined by the genotype. Of course there are phenotype cropouts in the Paint breed that come out solid, just like there are splashy cropouts in other breeds. Paint is a breed, not a color. If you breed two Paints, you're not going to end up with an Arabian, or a Clydesdale, or a Morgan - you're going to have a Paint, no matter what color it is. Contrary, if you breed two palominos - you will get a breed cross of whatever the two horses were, and it might be a palomino, or it might not. Other than color, there is no standard set of physical characteristics that can be repeatedly reproduced. Cheryl's original comment was in response to RodeoDreamQueen's statement that Paint is only a color and not a breed.
I am aware, was just being a bit facetious this morning. Based on her statement it appeared she justified Paints being a breed soley because they have an association. | |
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svincent - 2014-05-16 10:40 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-16 9:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-16 9:33 AM Rodeodreamqueen - 2014-05-16 9:23 AM To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common. Paint actually is a breed AMERICAN PAINT HORSE ASSOCIATION, not all paint horses have the paint coloured markings. No, they are colors. While Pintos and Paints may outwardly appear the same, genetically they would be different. The Pinto association is for crop outs from any breed. People often only go by what a horse LOOKS LIKE. There's two sides to the genetic coin: phenotype and genotype. We only see the phenotype, but BREED is determined by the genotype. Of course there are phenotype cropouts in the Paint breed that come out solid, just like there are splashy cropouts in other breeds. Paint is a breed, not a color. If you breed two Paints, you're not going to end up with an Arabian, or a Clydesdale, or a Morgan - you're going to have a Paint, no matter what color it is. Contrary, if you breed two palominos - you will get a breed cross of whatever the two horses were, and it might be a palomino, or it might not. Other than color, there is no standard set of physical characteristics that can be repeatedly reproduced. Cheryl's original comment was in response to RodeoDreamQueen's statement that Paint is only a color and not a breed.
Oh you stinker....
This "debate" has come up before about color vs breed in relation to the Paint. Lol I literally face-palmed when it got brought up again. | |
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Location: Sperry, OK | svincent - 2014-05-16 10:58 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-16 10:43 AM svincent - 2014-05-16 10:40 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-05-16 9:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-16 9:33 AM Rodeodreamqueen - 2014-05-16 9:23 AM To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common. Paint actually is a breed AMERICAN PAINT HORSE ASSOCIATION, not all paint horses have the paint coloured markings. No, they are colors. While Pintos and Paints may outwardly appear the same, genetically they would be different. The Pinto association is for crop outs from any breed. People often only go by what a horse LOOKS LIKE. There's two sides to the genetic coin: phenotype and genotype. We only see the phenotype, but BREED is determined by the genotype. Of course there are phenotype cropouts in the Paint breed that come out solid, just like there are splashy cropouts in other breeds. Paint is a breed, not a color. If you breed two Paints, you're not going to end up with an Arabian, or a Clydesdale, or a Morgan - you're going to have a Paint, no matter what color it is. Contrary, if you breed two palominos - you will get a breed cross of whatever the two horses were, and it might be a palomino, or it might not. Other than color, there is no standard set of physical characteristics that can be repeatedly reproduced. Cheryl's original comment was in response to RodeoDreamQueen's statement that Paint is only a color and not a breed. Oh you stinker.... This "debate" has come up before about color vs breed in relation to the Paint. Lol I literally face-palmed when it got brought up again.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Three 4 Luck - 2014-05-16 10:41 AM Rodeodreamqueen - 2014-05-16 9:23 AM To make a paint foal one parent or both have to carry the gene that gives the extra white patches that make Overo, Tovero, Tobiano (I'm sure there are more pattern colors but I can't name them.) How many APHA sires are there that have done well in the rodeo world and sired competive paint colts? None that I can think of. In our industry we see that Frenchmans Guy horses typically produce palominos and buckskins. Perks horses typically produce black and dark bays. Jet deck and streaking sixes usually produce sorrels and chestnuts. The colors we see running just depend on the bloodlines. I don't see many paints run in the places I run but the ones I do see have an APHA dam (with white patches) and a well known barrel horse sire (with a solid coat). I don't think that just because the horse is a paint it won't be able to run well, because paint is simply a color not a breed. I've seen some painted horses do very well. And remember that palominos use to be few and far between in the barrel pen. But now they are very common. If you look at it regionally, you can find colored sires who were successful in the rodeo arena that sired babies who were also successful. Apocalypse comes to mind--he stood in NW Arkansas. I ran against him, rode some of his babies, and my current barrel horse is a maternal grandson. Several of the current hot bloodlines were successful regionally long before they became known on the national stage. And there are others who are still only known in their respective regions, although there are lots of them winning. It's partly promotion and partly luck with who gets their hands on the babies.
Tiny Who Too is another one. | |
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Location: Kansas | LRQHS - 2014-05-16 9:26 AM What panties???
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Pedigree-wise, many of the top producing bloodlines are QH. A lot of people would rather have a registered AQHA so they breed to another Quarter Horse instead of crossing that top bloodline with a Paint. Not always, I've seen Paints with nice QH or TB lines. Also there are probably a lot more solid-breds out there winning than people realize. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | They are out there. Sidney Forrest a 2 AWESOME paint on her trailer right now. She won Sherry-Lynns a couple years ago on one and she has Sierra Tallchief's Chico (Leos King of Spades) with her too.
Google him and see how many big races he has won.
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| I ran a paint mare for 3 years and she did very well. She is by World Speed and out of a paint mare who was by FL Fancy Bug a Paint World Champion Cutting horse and he was also a Cutting horse of the year. I never thought twice about buying her because she worked. I made MSRA Finals on her all 3 years. She is now a broodmare and has had 2 solid babies. A palomino colt by PC Frenchmans Hayday and this year had a solid sorrel colt by Firewater Finale. Both horses will end up running in the futurities. They are athletic and actually probably my 2 best looking colts out of all my broodmares.
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Location: Texas | I had a very nice gelding who was a solid sorrel…paint. he was a 1D winner, put $$ on my WPRA permit. And on top of that, he was halter/pleasure paint bred on the top and running paint on the bottom.
Shelbie Parrish just won the Bridgeport, TX PRCA rodeo on a bay tobiano I think she calls Biscuit.
I think in 2014, they are just as capable and just as good. They aren't as popular of a breed, and I think it's easier to remember a loud colored paint horse than it is a regular sorrel.
Also, I will be the first to admit.. I don't actively look for paint horses to buy and ride. Especially colored ones. I just love quarter horses, and the gelding I bought that I mentioned earlier was already exhibitioning .5 off the stakes at races so we knew he was going to be good. I wonder if there aren't other people out there like me that simply don't look for paints. | |
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