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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Seattle Slew came to mind right away when I saw how crooked CC is. Maybe that's what it takes to be a Triple Crown Winner. I remember everyone talking about his terrible crooked leg and he was a cheap colt. |
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Location: California | So it will be interesting to see what stud fee they come up with given his conformation faults. Some breeders may be hesitant to pass that along. |
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Location: Florida.. | We had a stallion that has many babies in the higher level show ring dressage and Jumpers.... it hasnt hindered them one bit..of course not all toe out but some of his offspring. and clients didnt seem to mind at all. and yes some are as bad as he is. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | NonaY - 2014-05-21 5:57 PM So it will be interesting to see what stud fee they come up with given his conformation faults. Some breeders may be hesitant to pass that along.
Did it stop many from breeding to Seattle Slew?
Do you think that in these times people are more aware of breeding for good conformation etc. then they have in years gone by?
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | Nevertooold - 2014-05-21 6:08 PM
NonaY - 2014-05-21 5:57 PM So it will be interesting to see what stud fee they come up with given his conformation faults. Â Some breeders may be hesitant to pass that along.
Did it stop many from breeding to Seattle Slew?
Do you think that in these times people are more aware of breeding for good conformation etc. then they have in years gone by?
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I don't know about if he is a triple crown winner. He has certainly proven himself.
I have to wonder how in todays horse market it will affect the prices at sales for his foals though. I don't follow sales enough to know how much conformational defects affect the prices of yearlings. It's got to play a factor.
But then again A.P Indy was a crypt I believe, and I am sure more stallions are faulted.
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Location: TN | DashNSpeckles - 2014-05-21 5:06 PM I noticed after the Preakness, I think, when they are walking beside him interviewing Victor Espinoza, his back right leg twists when he goes to push off of it. There are probably lots of horses that do the same thing but it was just really noticeable and looked funny. But I agree it doesn't really matter - he can run! I hope he pulls it off and wins the Triple Crown.
I noticed that too! It looks like all that twisting would eventually cause a soundness issue. Oh well, I still hope he wins the Belmont and the triple crown! |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | NonaY - 2014-05-21 6:57 PM So it will be interesting to see what stud fee they come up with given his conformation faults. Some breeders may be hesitant to pass that along.
If it ever stopped them in the past, then we wouldn't still have all these horses with crooked legs. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | He sure can run though. |
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Location: Texas | SG. - 2014-05-21 5:46 PM
DashNSpeckles - 2014-05-21 5:06 PM I noticed after the Preakness, I think, when they are walking beside him interviewing Victor Espinoza, his back right leg twists when he goes to push off of it. There are probably lots of horses that do the same thing but it was just really noticeable and looked funny. But I agree it doesn't really matter - he can run! I hope he pulls it off and wins the Triple Crown.
I have seen lots of nice barrel horses do that twist the back leg thing. Â
Yep, do not watch two of mine walk from behind LOL.
One of mine will rotate her back legs when she steps off. I was at the ANHA shootout one year and a friend of mine was like, is THAT normal? I said yes, just don't look... The other looks like she waddles in the back. Both are 1D horses with big records…probably the two most proven horses we own! |
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| A very wise trainer once told me that you can go to a sale buy the best yearling with the best conformation but as a 2yr. old it doesn't make a bit of difference if the horse you turned your nose up at that sale beats you at the wire. There are 2 horses that come to mind when you think of exceptional individuals that were crooked as they come Exterminator and Seabiscuit. The one thing that I think is so hard to breed for unless you just know in your soul is heart and try, without these 2 things it makes it all very difficult. California Chrome is an individual that loves his job, trusts the people around him, and has the heart and determination to be the exceptional individual he is. |
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| I am confused... and I have wanted to ask before. Is he a gelding or a stud? I have heard both and its been posted here that he is both..
Clarification? Sorry :( |
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| SG. - 2014-05-21 5:46 PM
DashNSpeckles - 2014-05-21 5:06 PM I noticed after the Preakness, I think, when they are walking beside him interviewing Victor Espinoza, his back right leg twists when he goes to push off of it. There are probably lots of horses that do the same thing but it was just really noticeable and looked funny. But I agree it doesn't really matter - he can run! I hope he pulls it off and wins the Triple Crown.
I have seen lots of nice barrel horses do that twist the back leg thing. Â
me too!! I have one She just needs a little more attention and so far so good with her. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Calangelo - 2014-05-21 6:14 PM He's a gelding.
Look at his pictures from yesterday arriving at the track. You can clearly see he is a colt. |
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Location: MS | 3canstorun - 2014-05-22 9:01 AM
Calangelo - 2014-05-21 6:14 PM He's a gelding.Â
Look at his pictures from yesterday arriving at the track. You can clearly see he is a colt. Â
Here's a picture that clearly shows he's a colt.
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | TNcowgirl88 - 2014-05-22 7:41 AM I am confused... and I have wanted to ask before. Is he a gelding or a stud? I have heard both and its been posted here that he is both.. Clarification? Sorry :(
He is a stallion. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I don't see it mentioned here, but wasn't Storm Cat commanding a $500,000 no guarantee stud fee and I have been told by many that he was either crooked himself or sired crooked babies. I have noticed myself in the TB world that it doesn't matter what color, what disposition or what conformation faults they have...if they can run that is ALL that matters.
I like how they think for breeding (natural) but I am glad that (most) in the QH racing world still strive for conformation and disposition as well as athletic ability. It is true, you CAN have it all.
But I am not knocking California Chrome. He's a super nice horse, kind of like Scamper. I thought he was uglier than a mud fence but he won...and now you can breed to his clone. At least California Chrome is very eye appealing. I would rather him toe out than some of the other faults that are out there. |
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Location: In a happy place | I had never noticed it.....but my sister noticed it first thing at the Kentucky Derby. I was going like "what?" but sis was right AGAIN! Oh well it doesn't bother me I hope he wins the Triple Crown. |
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Location: Online | If Chrome's owners and trainer had the attitude that most people have about conformation, he never would have run.
Yes, I agree it makes a difference in soundness, but it also depends on where the crooked leg starts, is it from the shoulder or the knee? I've seen horses toe out or toe in that stay sound for 20 years, but they started at the shoulder and you could draw a straight line all the way down. It's when the turn out starts at the knee is when there could be a problem.
Is that going to stop people from breeding to him? I doubt it. A horse doesn't always pass on crooked legs. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | rodeomom13 - 2014-05-22 8:48 AM If Chrome's owners and trainer had the attitude that most people have about conformation, he never would have run.
Yes, I agree it makes a difference in soundness, but it also depends on where the crooked leg starts, is it from the shoulder or the knee? I've seen horses toe out or toe in that stay sound for 20 years, but they started at the shoulder and you could draw a straight line all the way down. It's when the turn out starts at the knee is when there could be a problem.
Is that going to stop people from breeding to him? I doubt it. A horse doesn't always pass on crooked legs.
I agree with all of this. My jumping prospect that I bought sight unseen does toe out. I had a really great sports med vet check him out and he isn't a bit worried even with jumping being my goal. Mine is very slight though, enough that they could mask it with a fresh trim job in the pictures. If I keep him trimmed up nice it is something most people wouldn't see.
As for California Chrome, if he isn't sore after running the first 2 races of the Triple Crown and the conditioning that goes before and during it, I don't see him having issues ever. |
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