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| OldSchoolCowgirl - 2014-05-24 12:42 PM trickster j - 2014-05-23 5:20 PM WalknFaith - 2014-05-23 1:03 PM grinandbareit - 2014-05-23 1:06 PM This is strictly my personal opinion... I don't like them. We do all kinds of stuff to our horses to help their joints and I think that the Theraplate undoes a lot of it. Vibration is not good for joints. That is why they make anti-vibration gloves, etc for people. Carpal tunnel syndrome can be a result of vibration. I know that I sold a horse not long ago that had never been injected, and never needed them. The people who bought her have a Theraplate... She just had her hocks, stifles, and whirlbones injected. Coincidence, maybe, but I wouldn't take the chance myself. I don't agree either with them either. Different vibe plates used to be a big fad in the rehabilitation and physical therapy industry for people but have pretty much been phased out because they can do as much harm as good. My cousin owns her own rehabilitation clinic and has a back room full of diff vibrations plates for people she'd like to get rid of since they are no longer recommended to use them.
eta: you should always be wary of anyone who claims that their equipment can benefit all conditions. I've seen this a lot in those who push the vibration plates-
and the Aculife Patches, and the magnetic wraps, and the Acuscope machines, and the lasers - etc. etc. etc. It's true that I use and sell a lot of different therapy products- but I honestly inform potential buyers the limitations of them all. If someone tells you they have a device that helps with every condition imaginable- run! Totally agree with you Trickster J about the vibrational plates...............I stood on one at the NFR last year and my equilibrium was off and I hurt (my joints, muscles ) for several days afterwards. However DO NOT agree with you about the Acuscope and its effectiveness. I know tons of people who use it and have for 20+ years on horses and have gotten excellent results with it. I'm not saying it is the ONLY thing that works or that it works on 100% of the horses treated with it, however its been around for 30+ years and is still going strong so there must be some validity to it. Lots of human practitioners are still using it daily in their practices. It definitely has not "failed" in the human world and was then just picked up by clever marketers to be "pushed" toward horse owners. And no, I do not sell Acuscopes or have any vested interest in the machine. But I have had horses treated with it on occasion in the past and been very happy with the results we have gotten.
eta: I remember demoing vibrational plates when they first came out for people- they gave me a headache and aggravated my injuries. Those pretty much did fail on the human market- and weren't replaced.
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Location: North of where I want to be | I am so glad to see this thread! I was wondering what the thoughts were on the differences. I think I will stick to the Accuscope. I have seen the best results from it on all my horses, me, and my dogs. |
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Location: North Dakota | I am glad I am not the only one that isn't sold on the vibration plates. Just the thought of vibrating an injury scared me. I now people that suggest for tendon injuries, etc and I just cannot see how vibrating a soft tissue injury like that could be helpful and not more harmful?? They may be good for hoof injuries to get more circulation to the hoof since the hoof is such a hard area to treat but I can't see it being any good for anything else. I thought maybe my thinking was way off but it looks like I'm not the only one that feels this way. Also I know how I feel after mowing for an hour on our zero-turn mower....my arms still feel like they are vibrating for quite a while later and that is not a good feeling. Not painful but just plain annoying.
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | If you want to increase circulation and blood flow, get out and hand walk your horse.. Vibrations and shaking isn't good and hardly does anything (my opinion/ bc we have to be PC here..) |
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| KRJ1791 - 2014-05-25 6:36 AM
I am so glad to see this thread! I was wondering what the thoughts were on the differences. I think I will stick to the Accuscope. I have seen the best results from it on all my horses, me, and my dogs.
Did you buy an accuscope or do you haul to the vet? Interested...also what's the respond laser stuff? |
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| After reading all these threads Im really unsure on a theraplate now :( Some say good and others say stay away! I'm going to ask my vet next week their opinion too...they are sure a pricey unit if not sure on it's results |
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| Where is the scientific eveidence. I see then at big shows selling but dont have any human or animal studies. Word of some famous person that they give one too. It is not like aquatread that helps condition a horse. I thnk it is a fad. |
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| daisycake123 - 2014-05-26 3:59 PM Where is the scientific eveidence. I see then at big shows selling but dont have any human or animal studies. Word of some famous person that they give one too. It is not like aquatread that helps condition a horse. I thnk it is a fad.
There is articles on the website. Also they have fine thermography studies, showing increased blood flow /circulation. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | Dash4KJ - 2014-05-25 10:16 AM
If you want to increase circulation and blood flow, get out and hand walk your horse.. Vibrations and shaking isn't good and hardly does anything (my opinion/ bc we have to be PC here..)
I completely agree. I will stick with natural movement to increase blood flow. Something about being vibrated unnaturally makes me think it will do more harm. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Hubby and I were discussing this today. I don't agree with them. I don't like them. Sometimes I wonder if the vibration numbs the pain issue which is why people see a difference.
If some people use it strictly to increase circulation, or say that's what its for, I'll stick to the less invasive ways to increase it. That and I promise you that my gelding wouldn't get on one for all the apples in the world. |
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| readytorodeo - 2014-05-26 5:12 PM daisycake123 - 2014-05-26 3:59 PM Where is the scientific eveidence. I see then at big shows selling but dont have any human or animal studies. Word of some famous person that they give one too. It is not like aquatread that helps condition a horse. I thnk it is a fad. There is articles on the website. Also they have fine thermography studies, showing increased blood flow /circulation.
eta: and articles on the products website are usually biased.
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Location: North MS | My horse has shown increased hoof growth for sure. I am able to trim/tweak his issues after two weeks and that was my goal. Increase hoof growth to work on better hoof form. Combined with some oxine/citric acid soaks his hooves are getting better and he won more money this weekend than any other time. I used my pony plate twice while at the show and he was quite happy to munch his hay and stand. Stalls were concrete but I used heavy shavings and made my own version of soft rides for him to wear (garden kneeling mat, and gorilla tape).
Yes I might have been able to work on his hooves and get similar results without the pony plate, but definitely not as fast as this (compared to the years previous trimming timeline). Our issues include long toe, underrun heel and flare. Never lame, but never showed much improvement with my previous trim style. I've learned a few more things and so far implementing them has helped a lot.
As for the theraplate- no experience. Others I know on facebook have seen happy with them. |
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| This is not a new product these vibration machines where used in pt where are those studies. I agree thermography not reliable.
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Location: Midwest | readytorodeo - 2014-05-26 6:12 PM daisycake123 - 2014-05-26 3:59 PM Where is the scientific eveidence. I see then at big shows selling but dont have any human or animal studies. Word of some famous person that they give one too. It is not like aquatread that helps condition a horse. I thnk it is a fad. There is articles on the website. Also they have fine thermography studies, showing increased blood flow /circulation.
As a scientist, the studies they posted are not enough to sell me on this product.
I see some fundamental problems with using these studies as evidence for several reasons:
1) They are all performed on human subjects, not equine subjects
2) Many of the studies are not published, and the ones that are published did not seem (to me) to come from well-respected, peer reviewed scholarly journals
3) The samples sizes in many of these studies were extremely small (and therefore less statistcally significant)
4) Many of the studies did not show significant positive results in support of this therapy
5) They do not have studies supporting these claims (below), only testimonials:
How our customers are using it
Increases Circulation
Increases Bone Density (>30%)
Increases Muscle Mass
Reduces Swelling & Inflammation
Reduces Injuries
Faster Healing (2-3 times)
Improves Joint Health & Function
Improves Balance
Decreased Lameness
Prevent Bucked Shins
Improves Balance
Reduced Stress
Pain Relief
Increased Hoof Growth
Increased Digital Cushion Circulation
Maintain Muscle Mass - Stalled Horses
Warm Up/Warm Down
OCD
Sesamoiditis
Improves Joint Health & Function
Hocks and Stifles
Speed Fracture Healing
Improves Under Run Heels & Thin Soles
High Suspensory Injuries
Founder
Laminitis
EPM
Bleeders
Side note: I have noticed on the website they do not DIRECTLY say that the product does anything. They say "why our customers are using this", or just "why" in another section. That probably protects the company because they have a "satisfaction guarantee", so that in the event of the buyer not seeing the above results, they cannot use that as a reason for returning the produce for a full refund.(purely speculation on my end)
This is a pretty expensive therapy to invest in without significant evidence that the product does as advertised, JMO. |
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Location: Texas | Riding in a trailer gives them plenty of vibration. I have known 2 people that jumped out and bought a theraplate and quickly sold them |
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| 3rdtimesacharm - 2014-05-27 9:20 AM
Riding in a trailer gives them plenty of vibration. I have known 2 people that jumped out and bought a theraplate and quickly sold them
The vibration from a trailer is totally different than the vibration from a Theraplate. I use mine daily and have no issues. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-05-27 7:18 AM readytorodeo - 2014-05-26 6:12 PM daisycake123 - 2014-05-26 3:59 PM Where is the scientific eveidence. I see then at big shows selling but dont have any human or animal studies. Word of some famous person that they give one too. It is not like aquatread that helps condition a horse. I thnk it is a fad. There is articles on the website. Also they have fine thermography studies, showing increased blood flow /circulation.
I see some fundamental problems with using these studies as evidence for several reasons:
1) They are all performed on human subjects, not equine subjects
2) Many of the studies are not published, and the ones that are published did not seem (to me) to come from well-respected, peer reviewed scholarly journals
3) The samples sizes in many of these studies were extremely small (and therefore less statistcally significant)
4) Many of the studies did not show significant positive results in support of this therapy
5) They do not have studies supporting these claims (below), only testimonials:
How our customers are using it
Increases Circulation
Increases Bone Density (>30%)
Increases Muscle Mass
Reduces Swelling & Inflammation
Reduces Injuries
Faster Healing (2-3 times)
Improves Joint Health & Function
Improves Balance
Decreased Lameness
Prevent Bucked Shins
Improves Balance
Reduced Stress
Pain Relief
Increased Hoof Growth
Increased Digital Cushion Circulation
Maintain Muscle Mass - Stalled Horses
Warm Up/Warm Down
OCD
Sesamoiditis
Improves Joint Health & Function
Hocks and Stifles
Speed Fracture Healing
Improves Under Run Heels & Thin Soles
High Suspensory Injuries
Founder
Laminitis
EPM
Bleeders
Side note: I have noticed on the website they do not DIRECTLY say that the product does anything. They say "why our customers are using this", or just "why" in another section. That probably protects the company because they have a "satisfaction guarantee", so that in the event of the buyer not seeing the above results, they cannot use that as a reason for returning the produce for a full refund.(purely speculation on my end)
This is a pretty expensive therapy to invest in without significant evidence that the product does as advertised, JMO.
Thank you Alison!
I don't know who came up with the idea of "vibrational medicine", but he must be in the running for "King of 20th Century Charlatans".
Anytime a person sees a wide, sweeping, almost exhaustive list of maladies that are "cured", this should be a red flag.
We all succumb to various unproven remedies and quackery from time to time, but this theraplate device is a wallet biopsy, in my opinion. I rank it right up there with coffee enemas and body wraps....and those things they had back in the 50's that featured a belt wrapped around your ass and it would jiggle back-and-forth, thus toning the ass muscles and melting the fat away. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Well I personally have seen results but I tried the lesser cost device as I was unsure I could get my horse on it.
I think the long list of ailments that are "cured" are vast due to the fact of those are all things that increased circulation help- wouldnt you agree?
As far as hand walking vs vibration- if they are lame- walking sometimes isnt an option. And I can tell you like bones need impact for remodeling- this is an option to help. JMO.
I think like the much loved magnets on here---- they arent proven........ yet they are supposed increase blood flow which helps the body to heal itself of everything:)  |
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Location: Midwest | TurnLane - 2014-05-27 12:59 PM Well I personally have seen results but I tried the lesser cost device as I was unsure I could get my horse on it.
I think the long list of ailments that are "cured" are vast due to the fact of those are all things that increased circulation help- wouldnt you agree?
As far as hand walking vs vibration- if they are lame- walking sometimes isnt an option. And I can tell you like bones need impact for remodeling- this is an option to help. JMO.
I think like the much loved magnets on here---- they arent proven........ yet they are supposed increase blood flow which helps the body to heal itself of everything:)
It's possible. However, this was not represented in any of the posted studies. They also have no equine studies posted. As we all know, a horse is much larger than a human. How would they be able to claim they have the best vibration type or frequency without any studies to explore that claim?
If it has never been trialed in horses in an organized study, how can they claim there is any effect at all? I assume the proof they present is in the form of testimonials for the equine products.
I will admit the company has no reason to perform such a study from a financial standpoint. After all, they are moving units without taking the time and money to perform such a study on equine subjects.
Side note, I thought because this product could actually inhibit soft tissue regeneration, it was not recommened for lame horses with ligament or tendon issues? (Correct me if I am wrong).
The thing with magnets is that they have a very small chance of causing harm, unlike a forced vibration therapy which forces movement. In addition, the magnets cost is MUCH less, so I have less of an issue buying them just to try it without much evidence. |
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