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Man, I don't want no Leprosy. Were there any cases in Louisiana???Â
Up until the 1990's there was a leper colony in Louisiana. It was and oilfield camp donated to the state by the oil company. Now most of the cases are treated in New Orleans hospitals. Yes, there are cases in Louisiana and have been for decades. | |
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        Location: Kansas | HotbearLVR - 2014-06-23 11:00 PM No need to worry about vaccinations. They are just a money making hoax designed to make big $ for big pharma and we have all been misled, right? Herd immunity is just another unproven theory, right? Some people actually believe that diseases like whooping cough and measles would have been completely eliminated were it not for vaccines. Seems logical to me. Thank goodness these folks are bringing in these nice natural infectious diseases so we can all experience natural immunity. This should prove to be the biggest science project in history.
.....and how well I remember as a child those pesky polio vaccines.
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   Location: SE Louisiana | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM
barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.  Also, guess who picks up the bills.Â
Leprosy?????
  Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.Â
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html
Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them. Â So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy.Â
This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible)... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us.. | |
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   Location: Sperry, OK | komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border. Also, guess who picks up the bills.
Leprosy?????
Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them. So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us..
There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans. The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances. I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host. We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it). My statement was not foolish, but factual! | |
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    Location: Midwest | Armadillos were still around in biblical times.
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       Location: South Central Florida | Tailwind - 2014-06-23 4:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 9:21 AM All those diseases, minus the dengue fever, already appear in the US and have been appearing in more frequent numbers as of late due to people deciding not to vaccinate their kids.
There are several TB cases every year in chicago alone. In the future I suppose they may start vaccinations for that if it becomes an issue. (I know they do vaccine for it currently in other countries, like Poland for ex) I so agree with you about vaccinations. I have gotten into several discussions with others who don't believe in vaccinations> I just hope they dont live to regret their
dissions. My own personal experience is when I was 11 my 5 year sister died from measles. I vaccinate all my animals and I had my son get all his vaccinations when he
was young.
I did vaccinate my children for most, but not all things available. We did not do the Guardisil when my daughter was a teen.
But just as a point of fact, non-vaccinated children/adults CAN NOT carry a disease or spread it to vaccinated children/adults. Now, a child/adult that has been vaccinated CAN actually shed and give it to a non vaccinated person. It's rare but happens. My son's vaccination records were lost in Hurricane Andrew. The area was completely wiped out. We started doing them over and he had 2 horrible reactions so doctor stopped and said do NOT GIVE HIM ANY MORE. I also have a good friend who almost lost her oldest son to a reaction when he was 6 months old. They were advised not to vaccinate any of their children subsequently because the reaction could have been similar. I can't remember the details and that was 30 years ago. There are many many GOOD REASONS not to vaccinate children, I believe that every parent should be able to make that decission themselves. I just hate the bashing that goes on because of lack of education. If your child is vaccinated you have nothing to fear from a nonvaccinated child.
The rest of us with all these diseases listed will be very scary, they are things that have no vaccine, or we have never needed it. I think allowing these children to stay is a horrible idea and will contribute to the further undoing of our nation. | |
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   Location: SE Louisiana | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM
komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.  Also, guess who picks up the bills.Â
Leprosy?????
  Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.Â
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them.  So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us..
There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans. Â The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances. Â I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host. Â We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it). Â My statement was not foolish, but factual!
Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans.. | |
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    Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border. Also, guess who picks up the bills.
Leprosy?????
Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them. So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us.. There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans. The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances. I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host. We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it). My statement was not foolish, but factual! Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans..
Europe and the Americas were not always separated by oceans.... | |
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   Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-06-24 12:03 PM
komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.  Also, guess who picks up the bills.Â
Leprosy?????
  Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.Â
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them.  So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us.. There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans.  The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances.  I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host.  We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it).  My statement was not foolish, but factual! Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans..
Europe and the Americas were not always separated by oceans....
True enough... if you want to go back 300 million years....
....and just because there have been no studies that show people can give leprosy to armadillos does not mean it cannot be done.... we have them now as pets, why not centuries ago? They still have not found a host for Ebola... one of those wonderful gifts from Africa... The Americas didn't have smallpox till a few hundred years ago... along with leprosy, yet another gift from Europe... | |
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     Location: Tennessee | komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM
ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM
komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.  Also, guess who picks up the bills.Â
Leprosy?????
  Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.Â
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them.  So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us..
There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans. Â The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances. Â I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host. Â We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it). Â My statement was not foolish, but factual!
Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans..
Many people believe that the leprosy that was talked about in the "old world" and the leprosy we see today is not one and the same. Leprosy literally means "scaly", which is not necessarily how the disease always presents. Many that have studied it will tell you that what in the old world was termed leprosy could have very well been simple dermatologic conditions such as eczema and the like. Just an FYI for all :-) | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | kdb2qq - 2014-06-24 1:22 PM
komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM
ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM
komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.  Also, guess who picks up the bills.Â
Leprosy?????
  Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.Â
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them.  So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us..
There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans. Â The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances. Â I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host. Â We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it). Â My statement was not foolish, but factual!
Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans..
Many people believe that the leprosy that was talked about in the "old world" and the leprosy we see today is not one and the same. Leprosy literally means "scaly", which is not necessarily how the disease always presents. Many that have studied it will tell you that what in the old world was termed leprosy could have very well been simple dermatologic conditions such as eczema and the like. Just an FYI for all :- )
Come to think of it, I think I've read this somewhere as well. Good point. | |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kdb2qq - 2014-06-24 1:22 PM komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border. Also, guess who picks up the bills.
Leprosy?????
Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them. So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us.. There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans. The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances. I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host. We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it). My statement was not foolish, but factual! Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans.. Many people believe that the leprosy that was talked about in the "old world" and the leprosy we see today is not one and the same. Leprosy literally means "scaly", which is not necessarily how the disease always presents. Many that have studied it will tell you that what in the old world was termed leprosy could have very well been simple dermatologic conditions such as eczema and the like. Just an FYI for all :- )
If that was the case, then why were people's fingers and noses falling off?! | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-24 2:37 PM
kdb2qq - 2014-06-24 1:22 PM komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.  Also, guess who picks up the bills.Â
Leprosy?????
  Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.Â
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them.  So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us.. There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans.  The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances.  I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host.  We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it).  My statement was not foolish, but factual! Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans.. Many people believe that the leprosy that was talked about in the "old world" and the leprosy we see today is not one and the same. Leprosy literally means "scaly", which is not necessarily how the disease always presents. Many that have studied it will tell you that what in the old world was termed leprosy could have very well been simple dermatologic conditions such as eczema and the like. Just an FYI for all :- )
 If that was the case, then why were people's fingers and noses falling off?!
Anything that causes "vasculitis" can do this. It's not unique to leprosy. | |
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   Location: SE Louisiana | Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-24 2:37 PM
kdb2qq - 2014-06-24 1:22 PM komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.  Also, guess who picks up the bills.Â
Leprosy?????
  Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.Â
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them.  So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us.. There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans.  The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances.  I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host.  We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it).  My statement was not foolish, but factual! Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans.. Many people believe that the leprosy that was talked about in the "old world" and the leprosy we see today is not one and the same. Leprosy literally means "scaly", which is not necessarily how the disease always presents. Many that have studied it will tell you that what in the old world was termed leprosy could have very well been simple dermatologic conditions such as eczema and the like. Just an FYI for all :- )
 If that was the case, then why were people's fingers and noses falling off?!
I was thinking the same thing.... There is aw hopping big difference between dandruff and the nerve ending dieing and the loss of feeling in the extremities followed by widgets falling off..  | |
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           Location: Kansas | Frodo - 2014-06-23 3:18 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-23 2:34 PM LRQHS - 2014-06-23 2:33 PM Rought ro!! Armadillos must die!
Using genetic sequencing machines, researchers were able to confirm that about a third of the leprosy cases that arise each year in the United States almost certainly result from contact with infected armadillos. The cases are concentrated in Louisiana and Texas, where some people hunt, skin and eat armadillos.
No more Armadillo pies at LRQH's trailer house..... I have yet to see a live one here in Kansas but there are sure plenty of them laying belly-up on the highways.
I see them dead all the time out on the highways when I head to hutchinson from time to time.....never fails to see a dead one laying there | |
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| Swannranch - 2014-06-24 10:59 AM
Tailwind - 2014-06-23 4:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 9:21 AM All those diseases, minus the dengue fever, already appear in the US and have been appearing in more frequent numbers as of late due to people deciding not to vaccinate their kids.
There are several TB cases every year in chicago alone. In the future I suppose they may start vaccinations for that if it becomes an issue. (I know they do vaccine for it currently in other countries, like Poland for ex) I so agree with you about vaccinations. I have gotten into several discussions with others who don't believe in vaccinations> I just hope they dont live to regret their
dissions. My own personal experience is when I was 11 my 5 year sister died from measles. I vaccinate all my animals and I had my son get all his vaccinations when he
was young.Â
I did vaccinate my children for most, but not all things available. We did not do the Guardisil when my daughter was a teen. Â
But just as a point of fact, non-vaccinated children/adults CAN NOT carry a disease or spread it to vaccinated children/adults. Now, a child/adult that has been vaccinated CAN actually shed and give it to a non vaccinated person. It's rare but happens. My son's vaccination records were lost in Hurricane Andrew. The area was completely wiped out. We started doing them over and he had 2 horrible reactions so doctor stopped and said do NOT GIVE HIM ANY MORE. I also have a good friend who almost lost her oldest son to a reaction when he was 6 months old. They were advised not to vaccinate any of their children subsequently because the reaction could have been similar. I can't remember the details and that was 30 years ago. There are many many GOOD REASONS not to vaccinate children, I believe that every parent should be able to make that decission themselves. I just hate the bashing that goes on because of lack of education. If your child is vaccinated you have nothing to fear from a nonvaccinated child.
The rest of us with all these diseases listed will be very scary, they are things that have no vaccine, or we have never needed it. I think allowing these children to stay is a horrible idea and will contribute to the further undoing of our nation.Â
If you look at the history of vaccinations, you can see they are a necessity, vaccines eradicated small pox.
Vaccines have changed a lot in 30 years, and to generalize that the child had an adverse reaction from the vaccines is wrong. It sounds like your child had an adverse reaction to a part of the vaccine, the doctor should have investigated to see which part. My guess is tetanus as this one if you give closer then the suggested amount of time and more often is the one to give more of an adverse reaction.
Pertussis is making a comeback and it will keep getting worse because all diseases are a plane ride away from a compromised individual. To completely erradicate a disease the entire world needs atleast 80 of the population to be immunized.
Tetanus and diphtheria you will never erradicate as it is a spore that lives in the soil just as anthrax.
Measles, mumps, rubella there are becoming more and more outbreaks throughout the world due to non immunized, just because one gets immunized there is a .1 percent chance you can still get the disease, it may not be as severe, or you could be the 1 percent of the immunized who will develop no immunity to the vaccine, the only way to know this is to get your titres tested.
Education is key, but people need to focus on educating themselves about the disease the life long effects of the disease, the prevalence of the effects and then decide if they want to play Russian roulette with their child's lives. | |
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     Location: Tennessee | komet. - 2014-06-24 2:51 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-06-24 2:37 PM
kdb2qq - 2014-06-24 1:22 PM komet. - 2014-06-24 11:00 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-24 10:55 AM komet. - 2014-06-24 10:39 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-06-23 2:17 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 10:18 AM Frodo - 2014-06-23 10:03 AM This report comes from a doctor who foresees the possibility of a medical nightmare because of these immigrant children who are not being properly processed at the border.  Also, guess who picks up the bills.Â
Leprosy?????
  Leprosy is pretty abundant in third world countries.Â
There were approx 200 cases in 2009 in the US
http://www.hrsa.gov/hansensdisease/dataandstatistics.html Armadillos carry Leprosy, it is a normal thing for them.  So as long as we have armadillos, we will have sporadic cases of Leprosy. This is such a foolish statement.... The fact of the mater is... They are the only other mammal besides human known to contract leprosy... and there were no armadillos in the old world where this disease 1st became known (in the bible )... So you might as well say "as long as there are humans, there will be sporadic cases of leprosy".... The only thing the known facts show is they prolly got it from us.. There are dozens of studies linking humans contracting leprosy from armadillos, but I have yet to find one linking armadillos to getting leprosy from humans.  The 9 banded armadillo's natural body temperature is lower than ours (90 degress F) and that allows the bacteria (Mycobacterium leprae and Mycobacterium lepromatosis) to live in their system, to where, without a compromised immune system, it won't naturally inhabit/live in our system. Our body temperature is too high for it to survive without extenuating circumstances.  I don't know how we got the disease back in the old world times, who knows maybe armadillos lived then too, or another animal was the host.  We don't know as we weren't there (Lord know the medical advances back then weren't advanced enough even for the old world inhabitants to know how they got it).  My statement was not foolish, but factual! Like I said.... There were no armadillos in the old world... They can be found only in the Americas..Isolated from the rest of the world they did not give it to the Europeans.. Many people believe that the leprosy that was talked about in the "old world" and the leprosy we see today is not one and the same. Leprosy literally means "scaly", which is not necessarily how the disease always presents. Many that have studied it will tell you that what in the old world was termed leprosy could have very well been simple dermatologic conditions such as eczema and the like. Just an FYI for all :- )
 If that was the case, then why were people's fingers and noses falling off?!
I was thinking the same thing.... There is aw hopping big difference between dandruff and the nerve ending dieing and the loss of feeling in the extremities followed by widgets falling off.. 
From what I understand, leprosy doesn't actually cause your fingers and toes to fall off. Actually what happens is those affected lose feeling in those extremities (much like what can happen with what the Doc mentioned). As there is a loss of feeling, many people begin to injure themselves which in turn can cause an infection to set in, whereby the extremities are removed surgically. Back when surgical removal wasn't an option, and still in some cases, the bones would actually begin to shorten due to repeated injury. As the Doc mentioned, anytime there is a loss of feeling/blood flow, this can happen, it's not specific to leprosy. What can I say, I'm a bit of a nerd....  | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-06-24 3:08 PM
Swannranch - 2014-06-24 10:59 AM
Tailwind - 2014-06-23 4:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 9:21 AM All those diseases, minus the dengue fever, already appear in the US and have been appearing in more frequent numbers as of late due to people deciding not to vaccinate their kids.
There are several TB cases every year in chicago alone. In the future I suppose they may start vaccinations for that if it becomes an issue. (I know they do vaccine for it currently in other countries, like Poland for ex) I so agree with you about vaccinations. I have gotten into several discussions with others who don't believe in vaccinations> I just hope they dont live to regret their
dissions. My own personal experience is when I was 11 my 5 year sister died from measles. I vaccinate all my animals and I had my son get all his vaccinations when he
was young.Â
I did vaccinate my children for most, but not all things available. We did not do the Guardisil when my daughter was a teen. Â
But just as a point of fact, non-vaccinated children/adults CAN NOT carry a disease or spread it to vaccinated children/adults. Now, a child/adult that has been vaccinated CAN actually shed and give it to a non vaccinated person. It's rare but happens. My son's vaccination records were lost in Hurricane Andrew. The area was completely wiped out. We started doing them over and he had 2 horrible reactions so doctor stopped and said do NOT GIVE HIM ANY MORE. I also have a good friend who almost lost her oldest son to a reaction when he was 6 months old. They were advised not to vaccinate any of their children subsequently because the reaction could have been similar. I can't remember the details and that was 30 years ago. There are many many GOOD REASONS not to vaccinate children, I believe that every parent should be able to make that decission themselves. I just hate the bashing that goes on because of lack of education. If your child is vaccinated you have nothing to fear from a nonvaccinated child.
The rest of us with all these diseases listed will be very scary, they are things that have no vaccine, or we have never needed it. I think allowing these children to stay is a horrible idea and will contribute to the further undoing of our nation.Â
If you look at the history of vaccinations, you can see they are a necessity, vaccines eradicated small pox.
Vaccines have changed a lot in 30 years, and to generalize that the child had an adverse reaction from the vaccines is wrong. It sounds like your child had an adverse reaction to a part of the vaccine, the doctor should have investigated to see which part. My guess is tetanus as this one if you give closer then the suggested amount of time and more often is the one to give more of an adverse reaction.
Pertussis is making a comeback and it will keep getting worse because all diseases are a plane ride away from a compromised individual. To completely erradicate a disease the entire world needs atleast 80 of the population to be immunized.
Tetanus and diphtheria you will never erradicate as it is a spore that lives in the soil just as anthrax.
Measles, mumps, rubella there are becoming more and more outbreaks throughout the world due to non immunized, just because one gets immunized there is a .1 percent chance you can still get the disease, it may not be as severe, or you could be the 1 percent of the immunized who will develop no immunity to the vaccine, the only way to know this is to get your titres tested.
Education is key, but people need to focus on educating themselves about the disease the life long effects of the disease, the prevalence of the effects and then decide if they want to play Russian roulette with their child's lives.
This is an excellent post. There's no BS.....just good facts you can rely on. It's refreshing to see this, as opposed to a bunch of naturipathic, unproven, crap that seems to be so fashionable these days. | |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | HotbearLVR - 2014-06-25 9:36 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-06-24 3:08 PM Swannranch - 2014-06-24 10:59 AM Tailwind - 2014-06-23 4:37 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-06-23 9:21 AM All those diseases, minus the dengue fever, already appear in the US and have been appearing in more frequent numbers as of late due to people deciding not to vaccinate their kids.
There are several TB cases every year in chicago alone. In the future I suppose they may start vaccinations for that if it becomes an issue. (I know they do vaccine for it currently in other countries, like Poland for ex) I so agree with you about vaccinations. I have gotten into several discussions with others who don't believe in vaccinations> I just hope they dont live to regret their
dissions. My own personal experience is when I was 11 my 5 year sister died from measles. I vaccinate all my animals and I had my son get all his vaccinations when he
was young. I did vaccinate my children for most, but not all things available. We did not do the Guardisil when my daughter was a teen.
But just as a point of fact, non-vaccinated children/adults CAN NOT carry a disease or spread it to vaccinated children/adults. Now, a child/adult that has been vaccinated CAN actually shed and give it to a non vaccinated person. It's rare but happens.
My son's vaccination records were lost in Hurricane Andrew. The area was completely wiped out. We started doing them over and he had 2 horrible reactions so doctor stopped and said do NOT GIVE HIM ANY MORE. I also have a good friend who almost lost her oldest son to a reaction when he was 6 months old. They were advised not to vaccinate any of their children subsequently because the reaction could have been similar. I can't remember the details and that was 30 years ago. There are many many GOOD REASONS not to vaccinate children, I believe that every parent should be able to make that decission themselves. I just hate the bashing that goes on because of lack of education. If your child is vaccinated you have nothing to fear from a nonvaccinated child.
The rest of us with all these diseases listed will be very scary, they are things that have no vaccine, or we have never needed it. I think allowing these children to stay is a horrible idea and will contribute to the further undoing of our nation.
If you look at the history of vaccinations, you can see they are a necessity, vaccines eradicated small pox. Vaccines have changed a lot in 30 years, and to generalize that the child had an adverse reaction from the vaccines is wrong. It sounds like your child had an adverse reaction to a part of the vaccine, the doctor should have investigated to see which part. My guess is tetanus as this one if you give closer then the suggested amount of time and more often is the one to give more of an adverse reaction. Pertussis is making a comeback and it will keep getting worse because all diseases are a plane ride away from a compromised individual. To completely erradicate a disease the entire world needs atleast 80 of the population to be immunized. Tetanus and diphtheria you will never erradicate as it is a spore that lives in the soil just as anthrax. Measles, mumps, rubella there are becoming more and more outbreaks throughout the world due to non immunized, just because one gets immunized there is a .1 percent chance you can still get the disease, it may not be as severe, or you could be the 1 percent of the immunized who will develop no immunity to the vaccine, the only way to know this is to get your titres tested. Education is key, but people need to focus on educating themselves about the disease the life long effects of the disease, the prevalence of the effects and then decide if they want to play Russian roulette with their child's lives. This is an excellent post. There's no BS.....just good facts you can rely on. It's refreshing to see this, as opposed to a bunch of naturipathic, unproven, crap that seems to be so fashionable these days.
You know why naturopaths are en vogue? Because they actually attempt to treat the whole person, find the cause of illness instead of only treating symptoms, and they practice with a heavy emphasis on nutrition. Western medicine is wonderful for some things, but it has some big gaps that it can either change its methods and start addressing, or gracefully share with other modes of practice.
From what I have seen, both philosophies have their place and neither should be relied upon exclusively. Btw, not all naturopaths/oriental medicine practitioners are anti-vaccine, although I have yet to talk to one that believes in getting them all and doing the cdc schedule (which was designed for convenience, not optimal health). | |
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