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| I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore?????
This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season.
If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain! |
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Location: PNW | Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM
I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore?????
This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season.
If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!
I'd bet that there was a lot missing from what you heard. They have to put locks on firearms before allowing somebody to handle them in case the customer brought loose ammo and decided to load it and go to town in the store. They absolutely still run checks to buy fire arms, and I'm fairly certain you can't buy an AK-47 at Walmart.
Also, the bit about buying a firearm "nowhere close to hunting season", is silly. If you plan to hunt with something, you'd better have it well in advance to sight in and practice with. Even among the very high quality firearms - everything shoots a bit differently.
ETA: it was probably an AR-15 which is the civilian version of the military's M-16. The biggest difference being that the AR-15 is semi-auto, while the M-16 is full-auto.
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| You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice.
I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm.
Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I bet it was an AR type of rifle. Somewhat similar to an AK. You can get them at Wally world. My dad bought one of his there. I also bet they have to do a back ground check. I'm not sure how long that would take, maybe if the dude wanted it, he has to put some money down to hold it pending his background check. |
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| Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM
You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice.
I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm.
Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
I also wonder why he doesn't want to wait for background check, however I am in south Texas and all during dove season we have 100 degree heat and have no problems with our guns getting too hot. Skeet shooting is a big deal, even in the middle of summer. A lot of people participate in shooting as a sport down here, even in 4-H. |
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Location: PNW | Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM
You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice.
I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm.
Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
I didn't miss anything...
The checks that they do before buying a gun only take like 15 minutes here in Oregon and they do them right there. You can either wait around or go run an errand and come back - so I was confused what the problem was with him buying the gun "right then" was. Do they take much longer in Texas? I honestly have no clue. I just assumed the same digital/online check was performed state to state.
I'm aware that there IS a law requiring somebody to pass a background check - I've done it a lot, even though I'm not from Texas.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | GLP - 2014-07-07 5:18 PM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun. I also wonder why he doesn't want to wait for background check, however I am in south Texas and all during dove season we have 100 degree heat and have no problems with our guns getting too hot. Skeet shooting is a big deal, even in the middle of summer. A lot of people participate in shooting as a sport down here, even in 4-H.
yes here in our bad a$$ state of Wyoming (I am joking) we shoot skeet with shotguns whenever we get a chance. I take out prairie dogs with an SKS just because I can. We also shoot our hunting rifles whenever we get together and want to. The heat has never bothered a barrel, you shoot responsible and take care of your weapon. You learn that first thing with a semi-auto. And dang it stinks when the prairie dogs are on the run.
That is the wonderful thing about America. Anyone who wants a gun (that can lawfully have one) HAS one. I also missed that he didn't want to wait on a background check, I am glad they have those personally, weeds out some of the nut jobs. Although if anyone wants a firearm bad enough they will get one. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | txaggiegal - 2014-07-07 6:43 PM Wild hogs and the government, the other white meat!
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Location: Baden, PA | HotbearLVR - 2014-07-07 12:07 PM "We're sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them." - Barack Hussein Obama "There is no reason any American should own an assault weapon." - Barack Hussein Obama Really, Mr President? Hmmmm.....let's examine these statements together.
Back to the original point. Barry been sending weapons of all sorts, through Eric Holder, into conflcts that really have nothing to do with us and usually in the wrong side of things ayway. because he was he side he is supplying to have a "legitimate shot at freedom." In that same vein he does not want us to have them because with the populace having access to them, it makes a governmental take over of this country next to immpossible reguardless of how good our military is. And a quick news flash on that, the 4 major branches of he military is on our side. |
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Location: Here | Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
I think you missed some details. No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas
Oh and hunting? There is no season on varmit hunting
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| SG. - 2014-07-07 10:25 PM
Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun.
 I think you missed some details.  No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas
Oh and hunting? Â There is no season on varmit huntingIts season is 365 days a year
no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager.
I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check.
Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | VonDigger - 2014-07-07 8:33 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-07-07 12:07 PM "We're sending assault weapons to rebels in Syria to confront a regime that does not represent them." - Barack Hussein Obama "There is no reason any American should own an assault weapon." - Barack Hussein Obama Really, Mr President? Hmmmm.....let's examine these statements together. Back to the original point. Barry been sending weapons of all sorts, through Eric Holder, into conflcts that really have nothing to do with us and usually in the wrong side of things ayway. because he was he side he is supplying to have a "legitimate shot at freedom." In that same vein he does not want us to have them because with the populace having access to them, it makes a governmental take over of this country next to immpossible reguardless of how good our military is. And a quick news flash on that, the 4 major branches of he military is on our side.
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Location: Here | Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 10:42 PM SG. - 2014-07-07 10:25 PM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun. I think you missed some details. No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas
Oh and hunting? There is no season on varmit hunting
Its season is 365 days a year no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.
Did you think this was a standard Appessment approach to this type of situation Did they let the man have the gun? |
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Location: Here | Also Texas has some pretty well paying varmint hunts And if hogs were tearing up my field I would be impatient as well Guess we will never know the real reason But I bet this was a stall tactic until officers could arrive to help with the situation I doubt they let him walk out with a gun |
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Location: SE Louisiana | svincent - 2014-07-07 4:32 PM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain! I'd bet that there was a lot missing from what you heard. They have to put locks on firearms before allowing somebody to handle them in case the customer brought loose ammo and decided to load it and go to town in the store. They absolutely still run checks to buy fire arms, and I'm fairly certain you can't buy an AK-47 at Walmart. Also, the bit about buying a firearm "nowhere close to hunting season", is silly. If you plan to hunt with something, you'd better have it well in advance to sight in and practice with. Even among the very high quality firearms - everything shoots a bit differently. ETA: it was probably an AR-15 which is the civilian version of the military's M-16. The biggest difference being that the AR-15 is semi-auto, while the M-16 is full-auto.
Hunting? What does that have to do with it>
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Location: PNW | komet. - 2014-07-08 4:46 AM
svincent - 2014-07-07 4:32 PM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain! I'd bet that there was a lot missing from what you heard. They have to put locks on firearms before allowing somebody to handle them in case the customer brought loose ammo and decided to load it and go to town in the store. They absolutely still run checks to buy fire arms, and I'm fairly certain you can't buy an AK-47 at Walmart. Also, the bit about buying a firearm "nowhere close to hunting season", is silly. If you plan to hunt with something, you'd better have it well in advance to sight in and practice with. Even among the very high quality firearms - everything shoots a bit differently. ETA: it was probably an AR-15 which is the civilian version of the military's M-16. The biggest difference being that the AR-15 is semi-auto, while the M-16 is full-auto. Hunting? What does that have to do with it>
EXACTLY! It's not my business, your business, her business, Walmart's business, or the government's business why somebody buys a gun.
But hunting came up because it was implied that if you buy a gun nowhere close to a hunting season, you are most likely a crazed lunatic looking to go on a killing spree. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 10:42 PM SG. - 2014-07-07 10:25 PM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun. I think you missed some details. No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas
Oh and hunting? There is no season on varmit hunting
Its season is 365 days a year no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.
I tend to think you were overhearing a confrontation between a jerk of a customer and the sales folks. Did you hear exactly WHAT the "Problem" may have been with his background check? Maybe it was just a technical problem with the process and not that he "Failed" the check Per Se. That could reasonably explain why the manager wanted to sell it to him any way. (Not that he should ever sell without a complete approved background check ever) Cause believe me if that ever came back on WallMart for selling a fire arm to a failed applicant they would be in serious deep doo. And honestly. If a guy wanted a gun to do something nutso or criminal...there are lots of easier ways to get their hands on one that would leave no record of who made the purchase. I highly doubt that was the case here. It's more likely that the WallMart background check computer or system was having problems. Lord knows they are not the best for service in the hunting/fishing department. They guy couldn't even operate the computer correctly to sell me a fishing license last year. I ended up giving up and going to the gas station to buy one. So I wouldn't be surprised if it was that kind of issue and the customer lost his cool like some jerks will. (I didn't get upset...just took my business to a more competent individual)
Not to be snarky...but it seems that you made a whole lot of assumptions to decide what this guy...or the Ar-15 guy... or any other fire arms purchaser may want to do with said fire arm or why they do or do not have any "Reason" to be purchasing one in the summer in Texas. Frankly it's not your business. If I want to purchase an AR-15 to shoot at waterballons on my personal property every day all summer...that's my business. Responsible gun ownership doesn't have a season either. |
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Location: PNW | TrailGirl - 2014-07-08 10:25 AM
Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 10:42 PM SG. - 2014-07-07 10:25 PM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun. Â I think you missed some details. Â No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas
Oh and hunting? Â There is no season on varmit hunting
Its season is 365 days a year no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.
Not to be snarky...but it seems that you made a whole lot of assumptions to decide what this guy...or the Ar-15 guy... or any other fire arms purchaser may want to do with said fire arm or why they do or do not have any "Reason" to be purchasing one in the summer in Texas. Â Frankly it's not your business. Â If I want to purchase an AR-15 to shoot at waterballons on my personal property every day all summer...that's my business. Â Responsible gun ownership doesn't have a season either.Â
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