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Location: Midwest | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
Look, I've been in your place and tried lots of things that I regret spending my money on. I'm not trying to make light of your situation. If anything, we were making fun of the company rather then you. I understand the desperation and financial limitations! I retired my good horse as a teen because I could not afford to treat him with what he needed to be sound to run.
A good lameness vet should be able to give you the best diagnosis and potential treatment plan, and I would put faith in what they tell you.
I feel your pain because I think a lot of these supplement companies promise the world, but don't deliver the goods, but still charge an arm and a leg. (JMO)
Can you inject her or do anything else besides the stifle surgery? Have you tried maintaining her on Adequan or Legend, or other injectables like Pentosan? How lame is she, and how advanced is the spur?
Injectibles would be my first course of action, or to get a second opinion or send x-rays to various clinics and get quotes on the surgery. You might be able to find a much more reasonably priced avenue. Honestly the loading dose of Adequan is the same cost as the ECJR and it is FDA approved...meaning it has withstood the rigor of clinical trials to show it works.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
I think things like this are preying upon people in your predicament, Roanie. To my way of thinking, if a product is that good, I would want some good evidence, before spending $300 a month on it. Endorsements and testimonials need to be looked at more critically. Oftentimes when a thread like this pops up, it turns out being nothing more than a cyber infomercial. People desperate for a miracle cure are ripe for the picking. |
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Location: louisiana | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven. |
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Location: North Texas | Where is this Colton Black's Testimonials and Scientific Evidence to validate this concoction he is peddling? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Google: How to recognize quackery, pseudoscience, and scams. There is a lot of helpful information out there for anyone interested in spending their money wisely. |
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Location: louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 10:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven.
there is no mystery..... I just figured he can explain everything more detail better than anyone of us |
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Location: louisiana | foundation horse - 2014-07-21 11:05 AM
Where is this Colton Black's Testimonials and Scientific Evidence to validate this concoction he is peddling?
http://www.equidite.com/ |
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Location: Midwest | jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:20 AM foundation horse - 2014-07-21 11:05 AM Where is this Colton Black's Testimonials and Scientific Evidence to validate this concoction he is peddling? http://www.equidite.com/
Testimonials are not considered reliable scientific evidence. I don't see anything else posted on how the product works or any studies regarding efficacy. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | No useful information on that web site. Shrouded in mystery...a mystery concoction, like witch's brew. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:18 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 10:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven.
there is no mystery..... I just figured he can explain everything more detail better than anyone of us
What was his explanation to you, jw? |
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Location: relocated to Texas | Roanie - you already bought the stuff so I guess you just try it. Curious as to why you ask for opinions after you purchase and not before? |
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Location: louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 11:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:18 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 10:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven.
there is no mystery..... I just figured he can explain everything more detail better than anyone of us
What was his explanation to you, jw?
I bought it for my barrel horse I run now and also my hauling partner has tried it on her mare that has bone spurs in her back and on one leg from an old injury we have seen phenomenal results, I have also tried the TMD on my horse and I saw results within a week, each tube is a 10 day supply recommend I buy 3 tubes for the loading dose then its just 20 cc a week so one tube lasts you about 2 months so its really not that expensive compared to most things |
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| Sorry, nobody is making fun of you. We're seriously doubting the product. Have you explored shockwave? Tildren? Injections? Why is the surgery 8,000? I had a full blown kissing spine case with 6 vertebrae nearly cut in half with Dr Honnas and it was less than $4000, plus they had him for a week. |
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Location: Florida.. | . If it sounds to good to be true then it is. If surgery costs 8000 and this cost 150 think about it. The ones that it cured. I would guess its other things like time .their own body fighting it. Etc. Feed thru can go to a spur and dissolve it ? Explain I would like yo know then might consider it. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:49 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 11:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 11:18 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-07-21 10:44 AM
jw1990 - 2014-07-21 10:38 AM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-07-21 10:21 AM
Come on y'all. Really? I'm seriously trying to find a way other than an $8000 surgery to save my mare from being a broodmare. I'm glad you guys could find humor in my attempt because from this angle it's not very fun.
IF YOU HAVE FB, find colton black he is the owner and will give you all the info you would like to know about the product. I love it and wont use anything else
Why the mystery? This stinks to high heaven.
there is no mystery..... I just figured he can explain everything more detail better than anyone of us
What was his explanation to you, jw?
I bought it for my barrel horse I run now and also my hauling partner has tried it on her mare that has bone spurs in her back and on one leg from an old injury we have seen phenomenal results, I have also tried the TMD on my horse and I saw results within a week, each tube is a 10 day supply recommend I buy 3 tubes for the loading dose then its just 20 cc a week so one tube lasts you about 2 months so its really not that expensive compared to most things
Exactly what they want.....someone to tell their "story".
This is what the makers of Garcinia Cambogia do to promote their product. They use testimonials, including one from Dr. Oz. They claim "amazing" results of this "natural", "fat burning" supplement. As far as I know, there is no scientific data to support these claims. In fact, in one double-blind study, the subjects who received a placebo actually lost more weight. BUT....here's the deal.....it's worth a try, because they are now offering, for a limited time" a free second months supply of the fat burner, with each one month order for the low price of $49.95. The reality is they don't care if nobody places a second order. If enough people decide "it's worth a try", they will make a mint. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I'm also questioning the cost of the surgery. I had stifle surgery done on one of mine and it cost $1400 for each stifle...they only did one the first time, but ended up having to do the other later. It was OCD removal, and I would think it would be similar to a spur because they originally thought that's what he had...where are you going to get this surgery done and where do you live? Maybe get some different opinions on vets and call for pricing? |
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| I have a friend that used the ECJR. It seemed like it helped for a while and then quit working. I use Silver Lining Herbs. They do work . I had X-rays done and the spurs were gone. I don't know if you could use it on a pregnant mare. From what i understand Equidite is a oxygen company . So you might try to contact Dr. Jacks who owns oxygen. |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | I would call around and price shop on stifle arthoscopy and spur removal.. $8000 sounds way high to me, especially if it is just one stifle. Arthoscopy at OSU runs about $2000-3000 I believe. I can;t see a stifle arthroscopy and spur removal being much more than that. Did they say what your mares prognosis would be with surgery? It really depends on where the spur is, how much cartilage damage, etc. But if you are really wanting this mare to recover then surgery is your best option. I would not be relying on a supplement to "dissolve" anything, especially an unproven one. |
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| You should ask ifmthey have a money back guarantee. I had a mare that tore her one of,her stifle ligamnets and also her mensicus, could have fixed it but she was 16 and we injected her and she was much improved got her in shape tye next spring and reinjected her carried her to,a big show had a nice first run and themsecond run she comes out,lame on other side i told myself that she done aboutm3 months later she blows a monster absess. Probably could,have fixed her. I,have a nice yearling byma corona cartel son and she is rebred but wint know,til next week,if we are preggo. We had a wierd spring all mares where wierd cycle. |
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