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 The Bling Princess
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Location: North Dakota | Your like me, you start thinking of the worst case scenario BEFORE we even get a diagnoses. Just stay as positive as you can until you find out the dx.
Hopefully this will put your mind at ease a little. I have a horse that squared his hind toes from the time I owned him. Bought him as a two year old he is now 8. I recently xrayed his hocks and stifles and they came out clean. No lesions, no bone spurs, nothing; clean as a whistle. But i knew something was off so I had both his stifles and his hocks injected and he no longer drags his toe. I believe that some horses and the way they were "created" contribute to some inflammation, even though we havent put them through the rigors of training. My "toe dragger" is a huge mover; very long strided and looks like a thoroughbred.
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 Special Somebody
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-07-31 8:35 AM I know you said of FB he has been treated this whole time for ulcers.. but that laying down after saddled, really leads me to think ulcers. If you havent actually had him scoped, there is no way to tell if he actually has them or not.. maybe what you are using to treat him isn't working.. just a thought.
I have a four year old gelding that will fall over when you cinch him up too quickly. You literally think he is dying, lying out flat, groaning, legs straight... cannot get up...
Until you take the saddle off. He will also hump up at times and acts lazy and dull.
Vet highly suspected ulcers so I am treating for them.
Will see in a few days if he improves. He sounds much like your gelding.
Hoping you find out what is going on.
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  Living on the edge of common sense
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Location: Carpenter, WY | I understand your worries and hope you don't completely panic until the vet goes over him and is able to come up with a diagnosis. Could be something minor and easily to control, but we always tend to think the worse in any situation like this |
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 Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I just picked him up today from the trainer. He said he just doesn't act a bit lame, but when leading him around he isn't picking up those hind legs much. Between that and the bucking, it has to be something. I'm really thinking stifles or pelvis is out. This particular vet I am seeing doesn't believe much in chiro's though. He says on x ray, nothing is ever "out". He said something else leads to that kind of issue. I hurt my neck and had a massage and let me tell you, it was night and day. Took 2 times and I was good as new. |
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Living on the edge of common sense
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Sounds like he's trying to definitely tell you something and I hope you're able to figure out what it is |
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 Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Wyo, just something else to keep in mind. I went to 3 different vets before we got to the tmj. I did Chiro/acupuncture as well. I was dead set on hind end/si pain too. Be open minded and listen to your horse. Like I said, I don't know that we are fixed, but sure am excited to see what we have this weekend. |
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 Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 3:41 PM I just picked him up today from the trainer. He said he just doesn't act a bit lame, but when leading him around he isn't picking up those hind legs much. Between that and the bucking, it has to be something. I'm really thinking stifles or pelvis is out. This particular vet I am seeing doesn't believe much in chiro's though. He says on x ray, nothing is ever "out". He said something else leads to that kind of issue. I hurt my neck and had a massage and let me tell you, it was night and day. Took 2 times and I was good as new.
But massage is different that chiro... you hurt your neck wich made all the muscles tense up and be in constant spasm... the message relieved the muscles, so they could release the tenstion and go back to normal. They did not pop your neck and say "oh your neck is out of place"... there is a difference. I would be willing to bet it is sacroilliac, might just need to inject it. If he had for real OCD lesions... he would be LAME! |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-07-31 3:09 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 3:41 PM I just picked him up today from the trainer. He said he just doesn't act a bit lame, but when leading him around he isn't picking up those hind legs much. Between that and the bucking, it has to be something. I'm really thinking stifles or pelvis is out. This particular vet I am seeing doesn't believe much in chiro's though. He says on x ray, nothing is ever "out". He said something else leads to that kind of issue. I hurt my neck and had a massage and let me tell you, it was night and day. Took 2 times and I was good as new. But massage is different that chiro... you hurt your neck wich made all the muscles tense up and be in constant spasm... the message relieved the muscles, so they could release the tenstion and go back to normal. They did not pop your neck and say "oh your neck is out of place"... there is a difference. I would be willing to bet it is sacroilliac, might just need to inject it. If he had for real OCD lesions... he would be LAME!
I was thinking that too. For the chiro, my favorite does both and has does wonders for some of my horses. I think this vet doesn't believe much in either :( My last horse that had SI issues, and was injected turned out to have a broken pelvis at some point in his life...this is the same vet (the 3rd I went to) that found it. He's a super great vet, and I will ask about the TMJ. Who knows??? It is just so odd that in the first week of April he was riding around like a broke kids horse to a unwilling, bucking turd in June. |
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 4:28 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-07-31 3:09 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 3:41 PM I just picked him up today from the trainer. He said he just doesn't act a bit lame, but when leading him around he isn't picking up those hind legs much. Between that and the bucking, it has to be something. I'm really thinking stifles or pelvis is out. This particular vet I am seeing doesn't believe much in chiro's though. He says on x ray, nothing is ever "out". He said something else leads to that kind of issue. I hurt my neck and had a massage and let me tell you, it was night and day. Took 2 times and I was good as new. But massage is different that chiro... you hurt your neck wich made all the muscles tense up and be in constant spasm... the message relieved the muscles, so they could release the tenstion and go back to normal. They did not pop your neck and say "oh your neck is out of place"... there is a difference. I would be willing to bet it is sacroilliac, might just need to inject it. If he had for real OCD lesions... he would be LAME!
I had acupuncture done on one of my geldings and boy what a difference. My daughter ran him in a different saddle and it really dug in and hurt on his right turn, popped up behind the barrel. My vet does chiro so took him in and he adjusted him. Made another run a couple of weeks later, he was better but you could tell still sore. Took him back in, almost dropped to his knees when vet found his sore spot. He pulls out his needles and goes to work, horse drops his head and is licking and chewing. When vet was done, pushes on same spot and no soreness. Horse makes a beautiful run 2 days later. Acupuncture is a great compliment to good vet work. |
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 Pork Fat is my Favorite
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | I think it is very hard to fix bucking issues when they start before the horse is actually started, sore or not. And if they cant handle just the beginning stages of riding, likely they cant handle performance. I have never had success with OCD's either. But that is just my experience. I hope yours is a better story and we all learn something great from it. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | With my many google searches I have come across so many things UGH he is really holding his tail off to one side, even just hanging out in his stall. I let him out of the barn at night to pasture and tonight he took off loping out. I suspect pelvis and back pain because of the tail, which we all know could be caused by anything lower limb even, but with him loping off on his own, I am hopeful it isn't something major. Monday can't get here fast enough and yet I dread that day. thank you for all the kind thoughts and prayers. Horses just stress me out anymore. My husband was against this purchase from the start and I think if this horse turns out to be a bust, he won't let me buy another prospect :( |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-07-31 4:37 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 4:28 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-07-31 3:09 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 3:41 PM I just picked him up today from the trainer. He said he just doesn't act a bit lame, but when leading him around he isn't picking up those hind legs much. Between that and the bucking, it has to be something. I'm really thinking stifles or pelvis is out. This particular vet I am seeing doesn't believe much in chiro's though. He says on x ray, nothing is ever "out". He said something else leads to that kind of issue. I hurt my neck and had a massage and let me tell you, it was night and day. Took 2 times and I was good as new. But massage is different that chiro... you hurt your neck wich made all the muscles tense up and be in constant spasm... the message relieved the muscles, so they could release the tenstion and go back to normal. They did not pop your neck and say "oh your neck is out of place"... there is a difference. I would be willing to bet it is sacroilliac, might just need to inject it. If he had for real OCD lesions... he would be LAME!
Oh I believe in Acupuncture 100%, my chrio is awesome, and I trust what he does to my horses.. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-01 9:34 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-07-31 4:37 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 4:28 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-07-31 3:09 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 3:41 PM I just picked him up today from the trainer. He said he just doesn't act a bit lame, but when leading him around he isn't picking up those hind legs much. Between that and the bucking, it has to be something. I'm really thinking stifles or pelvis is out. This particular vet I am seeing doesn't believe much in chiro's though. He says on x ray, nothing is ever "out". He said something else leads to that kind of issue. I hurt my neck and had a massage and let me tell you, it was night and day. Took 2 times and I was good as new. But massage is different that chiro... you hurt your neck wich made all the muscles tense up and be in constant spasm... the message relieved the muscles, so they could release the tenstion and go back to normal. They did not pop your neck and say "oh your neck is out of place"... there is a difference. I would be willing to bet it is sacroilliac, might just need to inject it. If he had for real OCD lesions... he would be LAME!
I'm hoping I can find someone that does that. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I think I may get lucky if he feels that is something that can help him
check this out when I googled his name and acupuncture
Specialties
Equine lameness
equine dentistry
equine performance medicine
digital radiography
digital ultrasound
Acupuncture
shockwave therapy
The goal of this practice is to help the performing equine athlete compete at their optimum level. We do this by evaluating movement, foot care and shoeing, nutrition, tack, and dentistry. Our entire practice is mobile and brings state of the art equipment to evaluate and treat that equine athlete in their own surroundings. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-08-01 10:35 PM Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-01 9:34 PM rodeomom3 - 2014-07-31 4:37 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 4:28 PM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-07-31 3:09 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-07-31 3:41 PM I just picked him up today from the trainer. He said he just doesn't act a bit lame, but when leading him around he isn't picking up those hind legs much. Between that and the bucking, it has to be something. I'm really thinking stifles or pelvis is out. This particular vet I am seeing doesn't believe much in chiro's though. He says on x ray, nothing is ever "out". He said something else leads to that kind of issue. I hurt my neck and had a massage and let me tell you, it was night and day. Took 2 times and I was good as new. But massage is different that chiro... you hurt your neck wich made all the muscles tense up and be in constant spasm... the message relieved the muscles, so they could release the tenstion and go back to normal. They did not pop your neck and say "oh your neck is out of place"... there is a difference. I would be willing to bet it is sacroilliac, might just need to inject it. If he had for real OCD lesions... he would be LAME!
You need to stop worring so much you're going to make your self sick by the time Monday rolls around  .
And I do hope that you get your horse acupunctured too, so at least you will have that part covered. I wish that my chrio guy could see your horse, this man knows his stuff. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I know :( We had a fun day at the county fair with the boys and then on the drive back home I start to think of it again. I have so much to tell this vet, he may need a week lol. I have read that back pain can very much stem from front foot pain. Well this horse is high/low and also higher in one heel than the other foot. It comes from having that foot cut and my farrier didn't trim him as I expected...I keep wondering what would turn this horse into a bucking, saddle hating horse and WHEN it happened. Well I do think his cut foot, and the 45 days to recover, could have thrown his back out of wack which is making him now drag his hind toes due to back soreness. I hope I am right. I also know my saddle was a poor fit, just not sure it was enough to make him buck...either way he has something else going on as well. |
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Location: Lala Land | I have found that massaging head to toe and using treats to stretch mine have popped back in them selves.
Not that it's be all end all but it's free and might help some in your case :) |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | Test him for PSSM1 - is inexpensive and a diet change may do the trick! |
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 Cinnamon Honey One
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Location: between here and there | Is this vet coming to your place Monday? He sure has a lot of techniques to try on him. I'm with you on his feet. They concerned me when I saw him. He's such a sweet guy, hard to believe he can turn that quickly. Something has to be bothering him and I hope and pray they find it. I honestly do not think it's career ending, but I could be wrong. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | wimpyb - 2014-08-01 10:59 PM Is this vet coming to your place Monday? He sure has a lot of techniques to try on him. I'm with you on his feet. They concerned me when I saw him. He's such a sweet guy, hard to believe he can turn that quickly. Something has to be bothering him and I hope and pray they find it. I honestly do not think it's career ending, but I could be wrong.
I am taking the horse to Cheyenne. The vet is from Longmont CO now so I was thinking if it was something that takes more than one time, I can leave him with my dad in Cheyenne if need be.
He was also tested Neg on his 5 panel and shows no other symptoms of PSSM. It's not anything I have heard of being comming (the type 2) with his sire's or dam's bloodlines. |
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