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Location: Florida | The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | This is the least of our problems. Wait until all the diseases that the illegals are bringing in spreads like wildfire. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2014-08-01 3:09 PM This is the least of our problems. Wait until all the diseases that the illegals are bringing in spreads like wildfire.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM
The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
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They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months.
Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus.
Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Just saw an interview with one of the 60 non essentials coming home to the US. The procedure for these 60 according to him is they are asked about symptoms and their temp is taken. This is done by a person fully suited up for protection from the disease. Procedure relies on the honesty of the person. Incubation for this virus is 21 days. Personally, I would feel better if they were held in quarantine for 21 days before flying on commercial planes back to the US. I don't think that is unreasonable. I am truly very sorry for the two people that have this virus. I hope they have a full recovery. I also feel they were fully aware of the risk associated with their decision to go to Africa. What I have not heard is how they contracted this disease. Was it exposure due to improper use of equipment, did they contract it 21 days ago by exposure to someone...?
As for what is being brought in through our Mexican boarders for starters we have TB, chicken pox, lice and scabies. They also do not know how to properly use our restroom facilities which adds to the problem. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Fairweather - 2014-08-01 6:33 PM
One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear.
Good to know. Prayers he did not contract the virus. Perhaps this is what will be done with these 60. Thank you for your post. |
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Location: North Dakota | The Dr's coming back know what to do and how serious it is to prevent this from spreading. It is the people traveling from Africa and those areas that don't care if they have anything while flying here!!!! |
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
These people are being treated at a hospital, not by the CDC. The hospital is near a cdc lab so that all the information and research is centralized and scientists ca
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
 They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.Â
ALL Â hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.Â
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.Â
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).Â
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....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail. |
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Just Bring It - 2014-08-01 1:42 PM
komet. - 2014-08-01 1:31 PM What makes me mad is they tried to do it secretly and only an unnamed source got the news out as soon as the special plane left the USA last night. These will be the 1st two known cases in the USA excluding the ones near DC several years ago that only killed monkeys.. Reston... I think that variety was Ebola Reston. Well I guess why wouldn't they want to do it secretly? Look at all the fuss that is being stirred up. Do you not think they anticipated this? I'm sure they were trying to avoid hysteria. I guess I'm not real sure why it is any of my business that another American gets brought back here to be cared for. There are people that know much more about this disease and are more equipped to handle it than myself that are making the decision. Â I guess if I was ill I would want to be back home being treated without the whole country up in arms over it. Â Sure there is risk but lets not turn against one of our own.Â
It's not like it was a secret that these two people had it and where they have been located. As far as treatment goes, the people over there have a lot more experience treating this than anybody in our country and in this outbreak the mortality rate has been lowered from the normal 90% to somewhere in the 60% range. Why move them away from the experts?
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Location: SE Louisiana | cruise - 2014-08-01 6:04 PM
Fairweather - 2014-08-01 6:33 PM
One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear.
Good to know. Prayers he did not contract the virus. Perhaps this is what will be done with these 60. Thank you for your post.
They can pull blood and look at it under a microscope and see it before symptoms start to show. |
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| Nevertooold - 2014-08-01 2:09 PM
This is the least of our problems. Wait until all the diseases that the illegals are bringing in spreads like wildfire.Â
 I didn't even think about that. Scary! |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | komet. - 2014-08-01 9:15 PM cruise - 2014-08-01 6:04 PM Fairweather - 2014-08-01 6:33 PM One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear. Good to know. Prayers he did not contract the virus. Perhaps this is what will be done with these 60. Thank you for your post. They can pull blood and look at it under a microscope and see it before symptoms start to show.
Another good to know fact. If they are doing blood draws on these 60 individuals this young man didn't mention it. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cruise - 2014-08-02 5:46 AM
komet. - 2014-08-01 9:15 PM cruise - 2014-08-01 6:04 PM Fairweather - 2014-08-01 6:33 PM One of the docs that treated Ebola patients over in Africa is already back home in Tennessee under home quarantine. He's got another 10 days before he's clear. Good to know. Prayers he did not contract the virus. Perhaps this is what will be done with these 60. Thank you for your post. They can pull blood and look at it under a microscope and see it before symptoms start to show.
Of course not!!! They have orders not to speak!! |
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
I'd like to see a source on that one.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) |
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM
komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
 They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.Â
ALL Â hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.Â
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.Â
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).Â
 ....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which)
Sure they vary.. It is a given average. An average is taken from extremes and it depends on the strain... If you want to see a source on those numbers go look at the CDC website you're so proud of... I'm getting tired of hearing this monster "does not spread by casual contact"... Neither does HIV, but look where that is today!!! In case you have not heard... HIV cannot be passed with a simple kiss.... Ebola CAN...
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM
komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
 They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.Â
ALL Â hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.Â
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.Â
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).Â
 ....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which)
Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens.... |
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-08-02 2:03 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens....
You have to come in contact with fluids (usually saliva, vomit, poop, etc) to get sick. These patients have been transferred to a level 4 facility (which inculdes airlocks and no direct contact with caregivers, haz-mat suits, and thorough decontamination procedures). The conditions which facilitate outbreaks in other nations simply are not present in the US. (Ie we don't live in huts, bathe in our drinking water, etc).
The rate of mutation in Ebola is pretty low, and if the virus were to mutate to become airbourne, it loses its ability to cause disease (Ebola Reston). I'm not saying mutation is impossible, but at this stage of the game it is pretty unlikely to happen from two people who are present in airlocks at this moment.
Personally, I would have a much greater fear of Influenza, a virus that kills thousands per year... yet folks are pretty blase about it.
Here is a link to mortality rates from the various outbreaks in other nations.
For you to make the claim that organizations in Africa "brought the mortality rate down from 90% to 60%", well, that is simply not correct if you look at the data, which can be found here (I tried to C&P the chart, but no dice):
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/outbreak-table.html
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I can't believe they showed the ambulance and the 2 escort cars traveling from the airport to the hospital on TV. |
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