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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-06 8:48 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 8:46 AM You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear. said much better than I ... 
Ohhhh, I don't know lol....her version sounded a bit like magic to me......collect the magic in your hands.....what do I do once I have the magic in my hands? |
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| LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:54 AM
lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-06 8:48 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 8:46 AM Â You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. Â The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. Â And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. Â A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. Â It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear. said much better than I ...
hmmmmmm ... throw in some harry potter spells and let it flow! You'll need a magic wand to .... remember "the wand chooses the wizard" .... |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-06 9:29 AM LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:54 AM lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-06 8:48 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 8:46 AM You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear. said much better than I ... hmmmmmm ... throw in some harry potter spells and let it flow! You'll need a magic wand to .... remember "the wand chooses the wizard" ....
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| LRQHS - 2014-08-06 9:33 AM
lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-06 9:29 AM LRQHS - 2014-08-06 8:54 AM lindseylou2290 - 2014-08-06 8:48 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 8:46 AM Â You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. Â The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. Â And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. Â A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. Â It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear. said much better than I ... hmmmmmm ... throw in some harry potter spells and let it flow! You'll need a magic wand to .... remember "the wand chooses the wizard" ....
lift and flick --- make sure to use proper wand safety. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | You peeps are cray cray. I've never watched or read Harry Potter, but I kinda doubt he has a clue about capturing a horse's ass-energy in his hands. |
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Location: N Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 9:52 AM
 You peeps are cray cray.  I've never watched or read Harry Potter, but I kinda doubt he has a clue about capturing a horse's ass-energy in his hands.
You'd be surprised! 
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I just vomited. |
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Location: Midwest | Another good way to think is to pretend you are riding just the hind end. Imagine the horse shifting all weight and energy to that end... ignore the front and ride just the back of the horse. (in other words, don't focus on where the head is). The goal is to have the horse tracking up (the back foot will step overtop of where the front foot on the same side landed). You can see where the feet land by looking at imprints in the sand.
See here:
This horse is NOT tracking up and is on the forehand:
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Sweet love of God, I need a trainer lol. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-08-06 10:05 AM
I just vomited.Â
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| Gunner11 - 2014-08-06 10:00 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 9:52 AM You peeps are cray cray. I've never watched or read Harry Potter, but I kinda doubt he has a clue about capturing a horse's ass-energy in his hands. You'd be surprised!
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Location: The edge of no where | Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 8:46 AM You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear.
This is a good description, I will add that to be collected and lifted thru the back....they can't have their head straight up in the air.
Lightly set your hands and push with your seat and legs into them. You've got to have a light feel, don't pull....if they feel heavy, add leg, not hand.
I'd really recommend riding with a trainer if you can to at least get a feel for it. It's tough to describe.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | MS2011 - 2014-08-06 10:28 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 8:46 AM You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear. This is a good description, I will add that to be collected and lifted thru the back....they can't have their head straight up in the air.
Lightly set your hands and push with your seat and legs into them. You've got to have a light feel, don't pull....if they feel heavy, add leg, not hand.
I'd really recommend riding with a trainer if you can to at least get a feel for it. It's tough to describe.
Trouble is finding a trainer around here. I refuse to leave my horses some place that I can't visit daily or every few days now. And, just finding a teacher is near impossible too. I'm not sure what to do.
I appreciate all of the responses though. I did learn a little :) |
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Location: MI | Hope you don't mind me asking some questions...
So, most everyone is saying don't worry about the head, I get that, but it also sounds like most everyone has light contact with the mouth?
And, posting? yay or nay? |
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| Ridenrun4745 - 2014-08-06 10:47 AM
Hope you don't mind me asking some questions...
So, most everyone is saying don't worry about the head, I get that, but it also sounds like most everyone has light contact with the mouth?
And, posting? yay or nay?
It's not a firm hold on the mouth but a bump/give type action. It is also not continuous contact.
posting - meh. depends on who you are training with, how you ride, if your horse has a clue what you are asking ..... etc. Sorry I can't be more specific but this stuff is really hard to describe in general terms if you are not riding with a trainer that can see what you are doing and correct you and the horse at the same time ... does that make sense? |
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Location: Texas | I sent my horses and going to ride weekly with a WC reining trainer and what they are telling you above is what he is teaching me. I always thought mine were collected and broke in the poll. Haha what he has taught me |
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Location: Sperry, OK | LRQHS - 2014-08-06 10:33 AM MS2011 - 2014-08-06 10:28 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 8:46 AM You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear. This is a good description, I will add that to be collected and lifted thru the back....they can't have their head straight up in the air.
Lightly set your hands and push with your seat and legs into them. You've got to have a light feel, don't pull....if they feel heavy, add leg, not hand.
I'd really recommend riding with a trainer if you can to at least get a feel for it. It's tough to describe.
I appreciate all of the responses though. I did learn a little :)
Seriously, if you can go ride with Levi Olson. He is in Texas, so shouldn't be too far for you! This man can work wonders with you AND your horse! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-08-06 1:05 PM LRQHS - 2014-08-06 10:33 AM MS2011 - 2014-08-06 10:28 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-08-06 8:46 AM You don't want to put the head into position, you create energy from behind and capture it with your hands. The horse comes into your hands and onto the bit. And when they're learning, they can only collect a few strides at a time because it takes a lot of strength. A lot of people make the mistake of using draw reins or a German martingale to force the horse into a frame and call it collection, but it's not. It's only a frame without impulsion from the rear. This is a good description, I will add that to be collected and lifted thru the back....they can't have their head straight up in the air.
Lightly set your hands and push with your seat and legs into them. You've got to have a light feel, don't pull....if they feel heavy, add leg, not hand.
I'd really recommend riding with a trainer if you can to at least get a feel for it. It's tough to describe.
I appreciate all of the responses though. I did learn a little :)
Do you know where he is in TX? |
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