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The mare didnt have a fair upbringing so she took a bit more to trust but once she did, she'd do anything for you. I dont think the trust issue is bloodlines though just upbringing. We got her from a trader and she wasnt in good shape. i spent a lot of time with her and when the time came patterning was easy and she was competitive right away. Didnt take her long. She was super fast and just made her job look easy.
The gelding also had an unusual start and was downright kinda nasty when I got him but again he was not raised right. Basically left unhandled until 6. However, once he got a job, he was such an easy horse to ride. One of the most calm minded and gentle horses. He made a good barrel horse, a fanstastic 3 day eventer and was retired to a therapy barn. He liked jumping more than barrels though, he was a bit lazy and would kinda decide when he would go knock'em outta the park. He always was competitive but was capable of so much when he felt like it.
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| With her particular upbringing and bloodlines, what would you all think a fair price would be for a filly like this? She's a flashy little sorrel with two stockings on her back legs and a super thin star & stripe. I know color doesn't make a difference when it comes to "the next great one," but some people pay more for it. We're on the last few head that my grandfather raised out of his old foundation bloodlines (Wimpy, Leo and King), and they're all 16+, so we haven't been in the buying/selling market for quite some time to know what ones even worth. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I would take her in a heartbeat. Nothing "wrong" with being raised the way nature intended. She won't be "stunted" due to her upbringing. |
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Location: Texas | Let 'er Buck - 2014-08-25 10:16 PM
batkitty - 2014-08-25 11:08 PM
With those lines I'd pick her up and try her. My favorite mare is a Jackie Bee mare. Although they can be very business like, but I love her. True grit, all they way. Heck if you don't want her I just might.
What behaviors are you referring to when you say "business like?"
Duchess and TeeJay were very much let me do my job, stay out of my way type horses. They were our ranch horses. We had a Goldfinger gelding though that was the most people oriented, loving, smart horse we've had. And not a horse that wanted to out smart you, one that was just smart. If he got into trouble he'd just stop and stand there. All three of them would take care of you though. Don't ever think you could "man handle" them. None of them were buckers and typically if they refused to do something you probably should listen.
That said they were easy to handle on the ground and in the saddle. The other mare we had that was TeeJay Jackie Bee and by the Ole Man, she was a bit high strung, but still an awesome horse.
So a long answer to your question I guess. What I mean is that they weren't really pocket ponies until they got older. Now Duchess will chase you down for loving. The Goldfinger gelding now lives in England and TeeJay passed away 4 years ago. The other mare is still with us too, just hanging out.
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| I appreciate that you've all touched on the disposition of the horses you've personally had with similar lines, as that is very important to me. Just curious what kind of barrel horses they turned out to be as well? |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-08-25 8:58 PM SaraJean - 2014-08-25 8:28 PM I have no issue bringing home a yearling that's never been handled. I much prefer that over one that someone has spoiled & handled wrong as it's way easier to gentle one that it is to fix problems. It also wouldn't concern me that she's been turned out on pasture her whole life......she should know about & have respect for fences, be able to take care of herself in crummy weather, typically their feet wear nicely if they're in a big pasture & good grazing is a nice healthy diet. I'd rather have one that's been turned out over one that's been in a stall & been fed up hard...... I agree with this
me too :) Jackie Bee is one of my all time favorite bloodlines too. Good heads on them and work ethic.
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I forgot to say I also have a mare with DFC on her papers (just barely, 3rd generation). I like her a lot, although her previous owner didn't get along with her. She's not marey or mean (no bite, kick, never pins her ears, etc) but she's not really lovey-dovey. She likes being scratched and brushed but if you sit there and "love" on her she eventually gets bored and walks away. Not really what I would consider hot although she has sporadic "come apart" moments. She ran on the track for 3 years and did awful, but she's a fairly consistent 2D barrel horse and could be in the 1D more often with someone better than me. She started out as a lease and then I asked to buy her because we got along so well. The horse can definitely tell if someone doesn't like her, I think that's why she didn't get along with her previous owner and also why she clocked so much slower. I always liked her from the beginning so she's always tried for me. |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | I have two streakin six mares and they are both great minded, built like bricks and very easy to work with. Only fast when you ask. |
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Location: Texas | Mine have been ranch horses with only a little barrel training. My fave mare was super fast and could wrap up a barrel. The other two, I have no idea really. They were all very quick on their feet despite what some would think. All had lots of bone and were 15.2 or taller.
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Location: SE KS | BraysEasyKita89 - 2014-08-25 9:23 PM
With those bloodlines and if the price is right I would take the chance on her.
What she said
and if you don't, let me know & I will!!!!
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| lhighquality - 2014-08-26 2:53 PM
BraysEasyKita89 - 2014-08-25 9:23 PM
With those bloodlines and if the price is right I would take the chance on her.
What she said
and if you don't, let me know & I will!!!!
You said "if the price is right"... What would you guys consider a "good price" for this filly? We've never personally purchased anything this young, so I'm not even sure what to consider "fair" in today's market. They tend to grow up and then retire at our house... buying and selling has never been my forte ;) |
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| Let 'er Buck - 2014-08-26 3:38 PM
lhighquality - 2014-08-26 2:53 PM
BraysEasyKita89 - 2014-08-25 9:23 PM
With those bloodlines and if the price is right I would take the chance on her.
What she said
and if you don't, let me know & I will!!!!
You said "if the price is right"... What would you guys consider a "good price" for this filly? We've never personally purchased anything this young, so I'm not even sure what to consider "fair" in today's market. They tend to grow up and then retire at our house... buying and selling has never been my forte ; )
Personally, I wouldnt pay more than $600 depending on confirmation and temperment. I bought a well bred two year old before the market was crap and I only paid $1500. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would say around 600.00 maybe 750.00 but thats with her papers. |
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Location: Texas | I would say up to $1000 depending on temperment and conformation. But I REALLY like those lines. |
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| Okay, we're at least in the ballpark. Back to the main topic of my post.... I guess I should ask if anyone has had any NEGATIVE experiences with horses left to survive on their own after birth (no veterinary care, no grain or handling, no shelter, etc.)?? Today's competitive barrel horses are so impressive and advanced and as I said earlier, I'm not looking to win to the world, but am definitely looking for a competitive prospect at the larger barrel races, jackpots and ameatur/open rodeos and possibly (down the road) circuit level. Anyone ever have issues because of such care or think it might set one back or hinder them in any way? I'm just afraid of putting my time, money and heart into one that "was never going to make it" from day one. Thoughts? I appreciate all your thoughts so much BTW :) |
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| Also, would you price a halter broke weanling with similar breeding higher than an un touched yearling? Only asking because I found a weanling while I was looking for something to compare her to :) |
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| I personally would price a handled yearling higher but not by much. Usually if someone has handled them, its been worked with to a certain extent.
As far as your concerns about being raised on pasture... it wouldnt shy me away depending on the current appearance of the horse. If its head is really big compared to its body thats a sign that it is malnourished. I know a lot of young horses that are thrown out with minimal to no handeling for the first year or two if their lives and they dont have any "issues."
Every horse you buy is gonna have a risk (i'm sure you dont need me to tell you that) but I bought a prospect bred to the nines and built perfectly but he just didnt have it. My current horse is not bred anything impressive and has been the best horse ive ever had. He was the opposite of yours, he was EXTREMELY fat and a late 6 year old so it took a bit more work to get him broke due to so much body he had to suddenly learn to balance. You just never know. |
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| This little filly isn't skinny by any means; cute little head just has a bit of a belly. What's been y'all's experience breaking an older weanling/yearling that hasn't been handled? How much does their size affect your ability to "break" one? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Let 'er Buck - 2014-08-26 6:31 PM This little filly isn't skinny by any means; cute little head just has a bit of a belly. What's been y'all's experience breaking an older weanling/yearling that hasn't been handled? How much does their size affect your ability to "break" one?
If you can rope, get in a safe round pen and sit on a horse. Let her move around you and toss a loop gentley over her head. You can give and take better from the horse and as long as it is a horse that won't pin ears or kick, you can do a nice job getting one gentle from another horse. If she isn't a spook bouncing off the pen, you can also try it from the ground. We rope all ours to halter break and they take to it really well. Also I can turn them out for 2yrs and go back and rope them and as soon as that rope pulls tight, they turn and face me and usually walk up the rope to me. Most of these are gentle enough that I can rub them in pasture anyways. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Let 'er Buck - 2014-08-26 4:55 PM Okay, we're at least in the ballpark. Back to the main topic of my post.... I guess I should ask if anyone has had any NEGATIVE experiences with horses left to survive on their own after birth (no veterinary care, no grain or handling, no shelter, etc.)?? Today's competitive barrel horses are so impressive and advanced and as I said earlier, I'm not looking to win to the world, but am definitely looking for a competitive prospect at the larger barrel races, jackpots and ameatur/open rodeos and possibly (down the road) circuit level. Anyone ever have issues because of such care or think it might set one back or hinder them in any way? I'm just afraid of putting my time, money and heart into one that "was never going to make it" from day one. Thoughts? I appreciate all your thoughts so much BTW :)
Personally, If I liked the filly's conformation, I would buy her. HOWEVER, you sound much too concerned/nervous/worried about buying this filly. So, don't do it. It is such a gamble with youngsters mainly due to their conformation affecting their athletic ability, then you have extreme temperaments and the chance of injuries.
Buy a well-started prospect from a good trainer with the bloodlines, conformation and color that you like. This way, you will be way ahead and have a better understanding of what you are buying.
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