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  Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | NBHA rule book does allow up to 10 between drags. When I first started running 10 was the norm. You might see 7 or 8, but never 5. I was just curious because in the last ten years I've not seen more then 5. I guess I'm aggravated that some folks want to get rude with me for asking how they are doing the drag. I could care less that they drag every 10. Rules allow it. Ground will probably be fine. I just needed to know because I don't want to go if it's every ten and there was another race I could enter that doesn't take late entries. I was able to get in the other race |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | mtcanchazer - 2014-08-31 11:12 PM Here it depends on the number of entries. The place I go to most usually only has about 18-20 runners usually fewer, but if there is 18 runners, they usually rake/drag every 6. Our NBHA shows tend to rake/drag every 5. Here I'm not sure they know the difference between a rake and a drag...I always just say drag because they get the tractor out each time and go over it with the barrels gone.
When you say rake/drag what are you suggesting is the difference? When you say rake are you meaning specifically moving the dirt by hand with yard rakes? Not trying to be snarky, just curious! I've never been to a show where they rake (meaning by hand inbetween each runner), but I think I've watched it on a webcast before.
Around here they drag after every 5, but I've never been to a weeknight jackpot that did a big drag after 50 entries. They will on weekend/added money events, but not for the run of the mill weekly race.
Old Fort Days finals drug after every three. That was tedious to watch, but I know that it's better for the horses.
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| Big shows around here are every 5, big drags at 50 and the tractor drivers know how to put it in gear and get it done.
Our local jackpots we typically go every 5-7 depending on entries and make sure we have good tractor driver's.
I was at a jackpot this weekend I'd consider to between the big shows and our local ones and the tractor was waaaaaay too slow. Nice tractor, good drag, just needed to shift it up a gear and go a bit IMO. |
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Location: iowa | i appreciate good ground and i do understand what it takes to get it good. so i dont complain ever about the dragging or how long it takes. i appreciate any show committee who cares enough to ensure the ground is good. i was at the same show that Oh Max was at this weekend. the ground stayed great for the entire race. that pen does not always have good ground so i was thrilled with the efforts made to keep it safe and even for everyone. |
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 Dr. Ruth
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | In the three years I have been in Texas I am not sure I have seen anything but an every 5 drag. And I have yet to see either an every 50 or an every 100 big drag...until this weekend. I pre-entered and asked for every 50 between by three and assumed a big drag would occur. Nope! That is what happens when you assume!!!! But like kaycee said, the ground was so awesome they didn't need to.
I am fine with being patient with a tractor driver as long as they don't drag the entire friggin arena. Drag where the girls are running, get in and get out. I have been to pens where they drag the entire place and that will keep me from coming back for sure. |
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 Miss Laundry Misshap
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| Most of the pens I run at need it every 5. There are a select few that are ok at 7, but I think 10 is too many.
But I still find it exceptionally amusing that we used to run 100 head (over the course of a night) at open shows and they never would drag!! Now the horses and/or people can't handle that! We are SO spoiled with dragging every 5!! |
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Location: Kentucky | We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here. |
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 Living within my means
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Location: Randolph, Utah | Most of the bigger races here drag every 5, and big drag every 50 or 75 depending on the conditions. The weekly races usually rake every 7.
I did go to a rodeo series this year that hand raked between every barrel racer. |
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 Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | Murphy - 2014-09-02 9:29 AM We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here.
Just kinda curious, trying to figure out if it's a regional thing. What kind of shows do you have in your area? What's an ave turnout? |
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 Husband Spoiler
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Location: North Dakota | Our state show this past weekend did every 10. It was a lake for the beginning runners and by the end it was dry but getting deeper and deeper. The arena didn't have lights so they tried to get it done before we ran out of daylight. I definitely would have liked to see them dig it at least every 7 especially with the conditions we had to deal with due to the rain. My horse is a lefty and when he got into the backside of his first barrel he hit a huge deep burm and got stuck and practically had to trot out! Luckily the draw was reversed the 2nd day. |
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 Tough Patooty
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Location: Sperry, OK | Longneck - 2014-09-01 3:36 PM mtcanchazer - 2014-08-31 11:12 PM Here it depends on the number of entries. The place I go to most usually only has about 18-20 runners usually fewer, but if there is 18 runners, they usually rake/drag every 6. Our NBHA shows tend to rake/drag every 5. Here I'm not sure they know the difference between a rake and a drag...I always just say drag because they get the tractor out each time and go over it with the barrels gone. When you say rake/drag what are you suggesting is the difference? When you say rake are you meaning specifically moving the dirt by hand with yard rakes? Not trying to be snarky, just curious! I've never been to a show where they rake (meaning by hand inbetween each runner), but I think I've watched it on a webcast before.
Around here they drag after every 5, but I've never been to a weeknight jackpot that did a big drag after 50 entries. They will on weekend/added money events, but not for the run of the mill weekly race.
Old Fort Days finals drug after every three. That was tedious to watch, but I know that it's better for the horses.
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 If you knew me you would want to be me
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Location: Utah | My hubby is a tractor man at alot of the races we run at including hs rodeos. HS rodeos around here drag every ten. Races drag every five. He says it is quicker to drag every five than it is every ten if you want the ground even for all the runners. Extra passes are needed with the tractor when 10 are run. He also says that the ground has to be different for 10 runs than for 5 runs so it will hold 10 horses safely. Most places around here are 5 runs to a drag. 7 drives me nuts because it is hard to figure which drag you are in, lol. Who came up with 7 anyway. |
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Midget Lover
Location: Kentucky | MS2011 - 2014-09-02 1:33 PM Murphy - 2014-09-02 9:29 AM We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here. Just kinda curious, trying to figure out if it's a regional thing. What kind of shows do you have in your area? What's an ave turnout?
We mainly have IBRA and NBHA. It's nothing to have over 100 in open. |
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Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | Murphy - 2014-09-03 8:01 AM MS2011 - 2014-09-02 1:33 PM Murphy - 2014-09-02 9:29 AM We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here. Just kinda curious, trying to figure out if it's a regional thing. What kind of shows do you have in your area? What's an ave turnout?
Maybe it's what people are used to running in regionally.... I'd consider an open with less than 100 to be small on a wknd.... I'd be ticked if they didn't drag every 5. Most of the weeknight jackpots are anywhere from 60-170. Depending on the producer run anywhere from 35-70 an hour. |
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 Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nateracer - 2014-09-02 9:19 AM Most of the pens I run at need it every 5. There are a select few that are ok at 7, but I think 10 is too many.
But I still find it exceptionally amusing that we used to run 100 head (over the course of a night) at open shows and they never would drag!! Now the horses and/or people can't handle that! We are SO spoiled with dragging every 5!!
I remember those days too. Even the big, prestigious barrel races would only drag every 10 and our open shows dragged before it started. LOL. Now I don't remember the last time I saw them drag on 10 outside of a rodeo. Even the small barrel races are dragging every 5 these days because we have gotten spoiled and expect it. |
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Midget Lover
Location: Kentucky | MS2011 - 2014-09-03 9:16 AM Murphy - 2014-09-03 8:01 AM MS2011 - 2014-09-02 1:33 PM Murphy - 2014-09-02 9:29 AM We drag after 10 here. I can't imagine dragging after 5.... shows already end late enough here. Just kinda curious, trying to figure out if it's a regional thing. What kind of shows do you have in your area? What's an ave turnout?
I am sure there are more barrel horses/races in Texas than there are in Kentucky :) |
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-09-02 1:49 PM Longneck - 2014-09-01 3:36 PM mtcanchazer - 2014-08-31 11:12 PM Here it depends on the number of entries. The place I go to most usually only has about 18-20 runners usually fewer, but if there is 18 runners, they usually rake/drag every 6. Our NBHA shows tend to rake/drag every 5. Here I'm not sure they know the difference between a rake and a drag...I always just say drag because they get the tractor out each time and go over it with the barrels gone. When you say rake/drag what are you suggesting is the difference? When you say rake are you meaning specifically moving the dirt by hand with yard rakes? Not trying to be snarky, just curious! I've never been to a show where they rake (meaning by hand inbetween each runner), but I think I've watched it on a webcast before.
Around here they drag after every 5, but I've never been to a weeknight jackpot that did a big drag after 50 entries. They will on weekend/added money events, but not for the run of the mill weekly race.
Old Fort Days finals drug after every three. That was tedious to watch, but I know that it's better for the horses.
Well, that's awesome!! |
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Husband Spoiler
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Location: North Dakota | There is a small rodeo association I run in that doesn't drag at all! They run about 15 jrs and 15 sr barrel racers during the perf and then usually have another 15 sr girls in slack after the rodeo and they don't drag once! We are lucky they finally agreed to get an electric eye this year!!! lol It's a fun little rodeo association to season young horses at though. They definitely get use to different ground since most of the rodeos are in their portable arena that they set up in a dug up area in some small town. It's a small pen so the horses get use to crowds being right at the fence next to the barrels, loud music, announcer, bulls in the chutes, people all around in the way of the gate, etc. Definitely a good place to get the horses use to the rodeo environment for a cheap entry fee and most are local towns. I usually make $90-$100 after entry fee and gate fee is taken out. Not a ton but hell $100 is $100 plus it's a fun time in small local towns. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | When I started running we would drag 5, 7, or 10 depending on the arena. That was in 2002, and I remember running every 7 at some pens and even every 10. That ended not long after I started running.
Now our local shows and big shows alike drag every 5, big drag every 50, and we have a random 1-5 drawing before the race to set when we drag, so people can't get there and pick top of the ground before everyone else.
Rodeos drag every 10 and it is what it is… I thnk we could get away with more horses in the drag but when you do that and go against the industry standard you are basically begging for people to complain about your race. |
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| Longneck - 2014-09-03 9:22 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-09-02 1:49 PM Longneck - 2014-09-01 3:36 PM mtcanchazer - 2014-08-31 11:12 PM Here it depends on the number of entries. The place I go to most usually only has about 18-20 runners usually fewer, but if there is 18 runners, they usually rake/drag every 6. Our NBHA shows tend to rake/drag every 5. Here I'm not sure they know the difference between a rake and a drag...I always just say drag because they get the tractor out each time and go over it with the barrels gone. When you say rake/drag what are you suggesting is the difference? When you say rake are you meaning specifically moving the dirt by hand with yard rakes? Not trying to be snarky, just curious! I've never been to a show where they rake (meaning by hand inbetween each runner), but I think I've watched it on a webcast before.
Around here they drag after every 5, but I've never been to a weeknight jackpot that did a big drag after 50 entries. They will on weekend/added money events, but not for the run of the mill weekly race.
Old Fort Days finals drug after every three. That was tedious to watch, but I know that it's better for the horses.
I saw a PRCA/WPRA rodeo recently and they didn't hand rake around each barrel after each run...... or at least I don't remember it. Is this something that is being done at every PRCA/WPRA rodeo. Also, if they do hand rake after each run, do they also hand rake after each during the slack? It would seem to be fair they would. |
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