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Location: wherever my daughter's running | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/devastated-parents-fallen-vet-demand-obama-resignation-scathing-open-letter-president-article-1.1924812?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fnets+%28Sports%2FBasketball%2FNets%29
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Location: Online | komet. - 2014-09-02 2:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:42 PM komet. - 2014-09-02 2:34 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:30 PM ISIS is our enemy, like it or not. Sooner or later we have to kill them. The Mujahadin were not our enemies at the time. In fact, they were adversaries against our Cold War ally, the Soviet Union. Big difference. YES!! That's my point!!! As soon as the USSR pulled out WE became the bad guy!!! Let the Muslims solve their OWN PROBLEMS FROM NOW ON... As you like to say. It's a domestic affair.... None of our business!! It's not a domestic affair. It is an international affair involving the entire Middle East, especially Syria and Iraq, but if their dream of a caliphate becomes reality, you can rest assured they will turn their focus on the western world. What do you think they intend to do about the "big Satan"? Just like Bin Laden warned us he was coming after us and made no distinction between military and civilian targets, these people have warned us. If you don't believe they are a threat to the world, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you real cheap. Judging from the way they slaughtered all those Christian-Arabs and Kurds, do you seriously think they will leave us alone under any circumstances? They need to be hunted down and vaporized. In case you have not been paying attention. The Muslims in the Middle East want to deal with their own problems.... I say let them!! If they lose all control then we can step in again IF they want help. If you and Rodeomom want to kill them so bad... Grab your guns and get over there!!
I think Komet is missing the point. Leaving them be is not going to stop this. They thrive on violence. This particular extremist group does not think like we do. They can't be reasoned with. They want us all dead. Look at what getting out of Iraq has done. It's just made things worse. No one over there can be trusted. We have helped the Iraqis with weapons and training, then many have turned those weapons and training against us. How do you deal with that? You cannot reason with a screwed up idiology. I wish someone knew the answer to resolve this the easy way. The only answer I can think of is annihilate ISIS. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:05 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:30 PM
ISIS is our enemy, like it or not. Sooner or later we have to kill them.
The Mujahadin were not our enemies at the time. In fact, they were adversaries against our Cold War ally, the Soviet Union. Big difference.
Our enemy that we funded and armed?
This is correct...we funded and armed the Mujahadin back in the 80's after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. It actually worked and drove them out. up until then they were not our enemies. That came later after the Taliban and Al Queda got control and ousted the Northern Alliance. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | There are a number of terrorist groups vying for the position of top dog in the Middle East. Yes, they are fighting amongst themselves, but I don't think we can afford to stand by and let them become more emboldened, while they continue to slaughter innocent people.....keeping in mind their ultimate goal is to slaughter us. Time to throw down. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-03 1:15 PM There are a number of terrorist groups vying for the position of top dog in the Middle East. Yes, they are fighting amongst themselves, but I don't think we can afford to stand by and let them become more emboldened, while they continue to slaughter innocent people.....keeping in mind their ultimate goal is to slaughter us. Time to throw down.
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| I dont think throwing down is called for, I think throwing every last one of them out of this country is a good place to start. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:20 PM
I dont think throwing down is called for, I think throwing every last one of them out of this country is a good place to start.
How do you do that? Throw all Arabs out? Throw all Muslims out? |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | rodeomom13 - 2014-09-02 3:48 PM This deal is so screwed up, we are fighting and idiology that no one understands. Obama thinks he can stomp his foot, point his finger and say "stop that you meany heads". It ain't gonna work that way. They don't play by the rules. He of all people should understand that....  The only way to stop them is kill them all. One way to prevent them from getting us on our own soil is to close the d@mn border!!!
Agreed about the boarders. I live in rural town far, far away from the Mexican boarder. Our governor made a formal request that she be notified if any illegals were going to be housed here. Well come to find out 321 were already here somewhere. School just started here last week. Have a friend who is a teacher, high school not elementary, she has one entire clss of high school studnets that speak no english at all. Where did they come from? Who knows who else is walking on to our soli daily. I am not an alarmist - but never - ever - ever in my 50 plus years have I seen such a mess. President, big government, little government I don't care - someone (other than terriost) has got to take charge. |
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komet. - 2014-09-02 2:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:42 PM komet. - 2014-09-02 2:34 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:30 PM ISIS is our enemy, like it or not. Sooner or later we have to kill them. The Mujahadin were not our enemies at the time. In fact, they were adversaries against our Cold War ally, the Soviet Union. Big difference. YES!! That's my point!!! As soon as the USSR pulled out WE became the bad guy!!! Let the Muslims solve their OWN PROBLEMS FROM NOW ON... As you like to say. It's a domestic affair.... None of our business!! It's not a domestic affair. It is an international affair involving the entire Middle East, especially Syria and Iraq, but if their dream of a caliphate becomes reality, you can rest assured they will turn their focus on the western world. What do you think they intend to do about the "big Satan"? Just like Bin Laden warned us he was coming after us and made no distinction between military and civilian targets, these people have warned us. If you don't believe they are a threat to the world, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you real cheap. Judging from the way they slaughtered all those Christian-Arabs and Kurds, do you seriously think they will leave us alone under any circumstances? They need to be hunted down and vaporized. In case you have not been paying attention. The Muslims in the Middle East want to deal with their own problems.... I say let them!! If they lose all control then we can step in again IF they want help. If you and Rodeomom want to kill them so bad... Grab your guns and get over there!!
I'm NOT missing the point you two want to send our troops back into that mess.... I think our country has spent enough money and shed enough blood for people that just turn around and spit in our face afterward. They might look almost the same coming across the border to Mexico but as soon as they open their mouth and say something it will become clear they are not. They can't infiltrate Mexico without Mexico knowing it. Mexico ain't gonna let that happen. From the honest Mexicans to the drug cartels, they know where their money comes from and they will not look kindly upon terrorists going after their friends/neighbors/customers. Can you imagine what our government would do if they found out Mexico was helping terrorists enter this country? Do you not think Mexico knows this? |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 3:24 PM
Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:20 PM
I dont think throwing down is called for, I think throwing every last one of them out of this country is a good place to start.
How do you do that? Throw all Arabs out? Throw all Muslims out?
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| I'd rather not lay all my huevos in a Mexican basket. Meaning. I don't trust them either. You're asking me to trust a country that has no problems breaking American Law. Terrosit have money. That's all that's needed. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | komet. - 2014-09-02 3:28 PM
rodeomom13 - 2014-09-02 3:10 PM
komet. - 2014-09-02 2:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:42 PM komet. - 2014-09-02 2:34 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:30 PM ISIS is our enemy, like it or not. Sooner or later we have to kill them. The Mujahadin were not our enemies at the time. In fact, they were adversaries against our Cold War ally, the Soviet Union. Big difference. YES!! That's my point!!! As soon as the USSR pulled out WE became the bad guy!!! Let the Muslims solve their OWN PROBLEMS FROM NOW ON... As you like to say. It's a domestic affair.... None of our business!! It's not a domestic affair. It is an international affair involving the entire Middle East, especially Syria and Iraq, but if their dream of a caliphate becomes reality, you can rest assured they will turn their focus on the western world. What do you think they intend to do about the "big Satan"? Just like Bin Laden warned us he was coming after us and made no distinction between military and civilian targets, these people have warned us. If you don't believe they are a threat to the world, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you real cheap. Judging from the way they slaughtered all those Christian-Arabs and Kurds, do you seriously think they will leave us alone under any circumstances? They need to be hunted down and vaporized. In case you have not been paying attention. The Muslims in the Middle East want to deal with their own problems.... I say let them!! If they lose all control then we can step in again IF they want help. If you and Rodeomom want to kill them so bad... Grab your guns and get over there!!
I'm NOT missing the point you two want to send our troops back into that mess.... I think our country has spent enough money and shed enough blood for people that just turn around and spit in our face afterward. They might look almost the same coming across the border to Mexico but as soon as they open their mouth and say something it will become clear they are not. They can't infiltrate Mexico without Mexico knowing it. Mexico ain't gonna let that happen. From the honest Mexicans to the drug cartels, they know where their money comes from and they will not look kindly upon terrorists going after their friends/neighbors/customers. Can you imagine what our government would do if they found out Mexico was helping terrorists enter this country? Do you not think Mexico knows this?
It sounds to me like you feel confident that we can rely on Mexico and the cartels to keep the terrorists out. If this were just a matter of helping a country in the Middle East, I can understand the idea of isolationism, but as far as I am concerned we are at war with these people and ultimately this will boil down to our own survival. We really don't have a choice. Sadly, our blood will be spilled over this sooner or later. |
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| komet. - 2014-09-02 3:34 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:30 PM ISIS is our enemy, like it or not. Sooner or later we have to kill them. The Mujahadin were not our enemies at the time. In fact, they were adversaries against our Cold War ally, the Soviet Union. Big difference. YES!! That's my point!!! As soon as the USSR pulled out WE became the bad guy!!! Let the Muslims solve their OWN PROBLEMS FROM NOW ON... As you like to say. It's a domestic affair.... None of our business!!
I totally agree but we need to quit giving them anything shore up our borders cause they are coming here |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:38 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 3:24 PM
Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:20 PM
I dont think throwing down is called for, I think throwing every last one of them out of this country is a good place to start.
How do you do that? Throw all Arabs out? Throw all Muslims out?
I'm of Arab descent.....should I be thrown out?
Are you familiar with what happened to the Japanese in this country after the outbreak of WWII? |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 3:46 PM
Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:38 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 3:24 PM
Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:20 PM
I dont think throwing down is called for, I think throwing every last one of them out of this country is a good place to start.
How do you do that? Throw all Arabs out? Throw all Muslims out?
I'm of Arab descent.....should I be thrown out?
Are you familiar with what happened to the Japanese in this country after the outbreak of WWII?
If youre a practicing muslim, yes. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Also, we don't have to necessarily throw our ground troops into that mess. We can arm the Kurds, and more lend air support. I think ISIS has their hands full with enemies right there in the Middle East. We might have to use ground forces or special ops, which are probably already there anyway. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:47 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 3:46 PM
Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:38 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 3:24 PM
Itsme - 2014-09-02 3:20 PM
I dont think throwing down is called for, I think throwing every last one of them out of this country is a good place to start.
How do you do that? Throw all Arabs out? Throw all Muslims out?
I'm of Arab descent.....should I be thrown out?
Are you familiar with what happened to the Japanese in this country after the outbreak of WWII?
If youre a practicing muslim, yes.
No I'm not. I'm Christian, but my grandfather was Muslim and he immigrated here in 1910. I'm 1/2 Lebanese. Do we kick all African American Muslims out? My point is. Don't think we need to make some wide sweep and clear out all Muslims....that is called bigotry. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 3:43 PM
komet. - 2014-09-02 3:28 PM
rodeomom13 - 2014-09-02 3:10 PM
komet. - 2014-09-02 2:01 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:42 PM komet. - 2014-09-02 2:34 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-09-02 2:30 PM ISIS is our enemy, like it or not. Sooner or later we have to kill them. The Mujahadin were not our enemies at the time. In fact, they were adversaries against our Cold War ally, the Soviet Union. Big difference. YES!! That's my point!!! As soon as the USSR pulled out WE became the bad guy!!! Let the Muslims solve their OWN PROBLEMS FROM NOW ON... As you like to say. It's a domestic affair.... None of our business!! It's not a domestic affair. It is an international affair involving the entire Middle East, especially Syria and Iraq, but if their dream of a caliphate becomes reality, you can rest assured they will turn their focus on the western world. What do you think they intend to do about the "big Satan"? Just like Bin Laden warned us he was coming after us and made no distinction between military and civilian targets, these people have warned us. If you don't believe they are a threat to the world, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you real cheap. Judging from the way they slaughtered all those Christian-Arabs and Kurds, do you seriously think they will leave us alone under any circumstances? They need to be hunted down and vaporized. In case you have not been paying attention. The Muslims in the Middle East want to deal with their own problems.... I say let them!! If they lose all control then we can step in again IF they want help. If you and Rodeomom want to kill them so bad... Grab your guns and get over there!!
I'm NOT missing the point you two want to send our troops back into that mess.... I think our country has spent enough money and shed enough blood for people that just turn around and spit in our face afterward. They might look almost the same coming across the border to Mexico but as soon as they open their mouth and say something it will become clear they are not. They can't infiltrate Mexico without Mexico knowing it. Mexico ain't gonna let that happen. From the honest Mexicans to the drug cartels, they know where their money comes from and they will not look kindly upon terrorists going after their friends/neighbors/customers. Can you imagine what our government would do if they found out Mexico was helping terrorists enter this country? Do you not think Mexico knows this?
It sounds to me like you feel confident that we can rely on Mexico and the cartels to keep the terrorists out. If this were just a matter of helping a country in the Middle East, I can understand the idea of isolationism, but as far as I am concerned we are at war with these people and ultimately this will boil down to our own survival. We really don't have a choice. Sadly, our blood will be spilled over this sooner or later.
I am confident Mexico will act in our best interests where Terrorists are concerned. After all, an attack on us is also an attack on all the Mexicans here sending money back to Mexico. As far as the cartels go, This is where most of their cash comes from. It's not like the terrorists can just waltz across Mexico and cross our border.. No more than they can do that in Canada.. We only have two borders and those countries depend greatly on this country for their livelihoods. We do not stand alone in North America. Can some get through? SURE!! But en-mass?? Nope.. Remember all the 9/11 terrorists flew right into our cities from other places.. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | So someone tell me what the solution is. Is there anything short of turning the Middle East into a parking lot that will guarantee a solution? Any thoughts as to the collateral damage (a few zillion dead innocent bystanders)? |
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