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Location: southeast Texas | cpo61, from AUSTIN, Texas. That explains a lot right there. Little liberal pocket in Texas. What is the point of your post?
IMHO any one that is worried about someone else's wealth or lack of it, needs to get off their duff and work to achieve what they think it is that they are missing out of in life. Be the best you can be, if it's not getting you where you want to be, find the people to help you get there. If it's more education, or the right conections, figure it out and make it happen.
I'm sick of all these whiney people saying life is not fare. You bet it's not, but it's up to each individual,,,,,,, | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | roxieannie - 2014-09-05 10:51 AM cpo61, from AUSTIN, Texas. That explains a lot right there. Little liberal pocket in Texas. What is the point of your post? IMHO any one that is worried about someone else's wealth or lack of it, needs to get off their duff and work to achieve what they think it is that they are missing out of in life. Be the best you can be, if it's not getting you where you want to be, find the people to help you get there. If it's more education, or the right conections, figure it out and make it happen. I'm sick of all these whiney people saying life is not fare. You bet it's not, but it's up to each individual,,,,,,,
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Location: North Texas | The ones on this thread who are in favor of the Original Poster's line of thinking are the lazy bums who would not know what REAL Work is if it reached up and bit em in the ass!
From my personal line of thinking (Which I know is incongruous w/ 'their' reasoning) is Work equates Income.
Since the beginning of time. In the beginning when One did not Work ie produce, harvest or prepare food, One did not eat ie have Income.
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Location: Austin, Texas | I think most of y'all need to go back and re-read my original post. Or go to the Nov 2013 issue of Horse & Rider and read Juli's editorial.
Yes, there is always an exception that someone can go buy a $500 horse and win , but those are the exceptions, NOT the rule.
I am a firm believer that if you have the money and want to go pay a ton of money then go for it. It's in every equine discipline. I would suggest that some of you go to NCHA or NHRA futurities and you will quickly realize you cannot have a chance unless you have lots of dollars.
I think Juli's editorial was to get folks thinking about this and to make a point. Are we eventually headed to the point that only the "wealthy" can compete in equine events. I think the answer to that might be yes | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-05 9:43 AM
Itsme - 2014-09-05 9:30 AM If you cant see we have a problem now that needs to get ironed out one way or another then I think you're being disingenuous, a 4 year degree doesnt mean shit anymore and im truly concerned about the future. While I dont believe in wealth distribution at all, but allowing illegals to come in here and push down the wages of plumbers and electricians then seeing CEOs making record profits is disgusting. I like the people that ruin a nice high caliber horse then pull another LG branded horse out of the trailer a couple weeks later and pretty much repeat the cycle. When will people learn its more in the training and not the papers?
Not many people disgree with your sentiments regarding illegals.
What do you suggest should be done about those disgusting record profits those CEOs are making? Â Should their salaries be capped?
Have you asked yourself why CEOs make so much money? Â
It's easy to say what you did about CEOS....again, I ask, what's your solution?
Solutions? I have no idea, but I believe it would help to have less govt intrusion and shall I dare say higher tariffs...
Remember the "kook" that talked about that strong sucking sound? | |
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 Ima Non Controversial Girl
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Location: where the wind blows | Many show-group rulebooks, to this day, include a dictum that silver show equipment may not be counted over unadorned gear.
After hauling to many quarter horse shows this summer to compete in reining and ranch pleasure I have to say I honestly don't think AQHA judges are following the above rule. You need sunglasses to watch the God-Awful western pleasure classes (but that's a whole other topic).
I for one don't care too much what people pay for barrel horses or reiners or whatever. There's a young gal (about 19) hauling to the reining shows I go to now whose parents just bought her a horse that cost more than I make in a year. I just know I feel super awesome when I beat her (which I do on occasion) on my home raised and trained mare.
But I do think what the OP and Julie Thoreson are maybe getting at is that if 1% of the population continues to get wealthier while the rest aren't able to keep up with the cost of living and inflation this will affect the horse world in that the number of people who can afford to own and keep a horse of any kind will shrink which does affect us all. Less competitors means less $ to win, possibly less sponsorship and fewer people to buy those finished horses. I know I see it now at the QH shows compared to when I hauled way back when in the early 80's. Then the classes all had anywhere from 15 -30 per class in our area. Now 0 - 10. 10 is a huge class. I think the shear cost for the average income earner combined with the loss of the family farm plays a huge part in this decline. Unless the person living in an urban setting earns a very good salary they just can't afford a horse and to hual, show, barrel race etc..
If I look at our local barrel racing district 20 years ago we had 10-15 youths per race. Now we are lucky if we get 2 youth. Alot of our open riders are like me and over 40. So I think that says something right there. Not many parents can afford to have their kids in horses. It's becoming a sport for an elite few and the elite few is becoming smaller and smaller which hurts our industry as a whole.
All I know is every time I put my horse or horses in my trailer to haul to a show or barrel race I feel blessed. No matter how I end up doing I remind myself I am so blessed that despite not being rich I at least have enough $ to haul my inexpensive home raised horses down the road to do what I love to do. | |
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Location: North Texas | cpo61 - 2014-09-05 11:26 AM
 I think most of y'all need to go back and re-read my original post.   Or go to the Nov 2013 issue of Horse & Rider and read Juli's editorial.   Â
Yes, there is always an exception that someone can go buy a $500 horse and win , but those are the exceptions, NOT the rule.Â
I am a firm believer that if you have the money and want to go pay a ton of money then go for it. Â Â It's in every equine discipline. Â I would suggest that some of you go to NCHA or NHRA futurities and you will quickly realize you cannot have a chance unless you have lots of dollars. Â Â
I think Juli's editorial was to get folks thinking about this and to make a point. Â Are we eventually headed to the point that only the "wealthy" can compete in equine events. Â Â I think the answer to that might be yes
No, You and those who agree with this line of thinking need to back up and use some critical thinking skills to look into the source thinking behind this...................................
Hard Work equates "so-called" Income Equality. Somewhere, somebody had to either figure out how to do something ie think to produce something or the same somebody somewhere had to actually labor to produce something.
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Location: North Texas | Itsme - 2014-09-05 11:30 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-09-05 9:43 AM
Itsme - 2014-09-05 9:30 AM If you cant see we have a problem now that needs to get ironed out one way or another then I think you're being disingenuous, a 4 year degree doesnt mean shit anymore and im truly concerned about the future. While I dont believe in wealth distribution at all, but allowing illegals to come in here and push down the wages of plumbers and electricians then seeing CEOs making record profits is disgusting. I like the people that ruin a nice high caliber horse then pull another LG branded horse out of the trailer a couple weeks later and pretty much repeat the cycle. When will people learn its more in the training and not the papers?
Not many people disgree with your sentiments regarding illegals.
What do you suggest should be done about those disgusting record profits those CEOs are making? Â Should their salaries be capped?
Have you asked yourself why CEOs make so much money? Â
It's easy to say what you did about CEOS....again, I ask, what's your solution?
Solutions? I have no idea, but I believe it would help to have less govt intrusion and shall I dare say higher tariffs...
Remember the "kook" that talked about that strong sucking sound?
A lowered Corporate Tax would negate the requirement for higher tariffs. And hence the perceived 'sucking sound' would disappear. Aahh, but Higher Taxing Liberals cannot understand such things. A tariff is another name for tax. | |
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| aggiejudger - 2014-09-05 9:50 AM
Just because you can buy it, doesn't mean you can ride it. If people have the money to buy it, they usually lack the time to make it. I will never own a high dollar horse, but I don't know that I'll ever be a good enough rider to stay aboard a 1D horse.
As for illegals pushing the wages down of plumbers, etc., I'm going to call BS on that. You have to be licensed to be a plumber, electrician, etc. And anymore, a 4-year degree can help you get your foot in the door. What you do with it is up to the individual. Success isn't determined by a diploma on a wall or years spent in school. Sure a degree may help, but it isn't the end-all, be-all that allows a person to generate wealth.Â
Wrong! 1 licensed plumber/electrician per 4 or more apprentices...So one well paid American usually a fat lazy white guy pointing his fingers while illegals do the work, I see it all the time. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | cpo61 - 2014-09-05 11:26 AM I think most of y'all need to go back and re-read my original post. Or go to the Nov 2013 issue of Horse & Rider and read Juli's editorial.
Yes, there is always an exception that someone can go buy a $500 horse and win , but those are the exceptions, NOT the rule.
I am a firm believer that if you have the money and want to go pay a ton of money then go for it. It's in every equine discipline. I would suggest that some of you go to NCHA or NHRA futurities and you will quickly realize you cannot have a chance unless you have lots of dollars.
I think Juli's editorial was to get folks thinking about this and to make a point. Are we eventually headed to the point that only the "wealthy" can compete in equine events. I think the answer to that might be yes
Fine and dandy....what's your solution? Any suggestions, or do you just want to whine? | |
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Location: Texas | Itsme - 2014-09-05 11:35 AM aggiejudger - 2014-09-05 9:50 AM Just because you can buy it, doesn't mean you can ride it. If people have the money to buy it, they usually lack the time to make it. I will never own a high dollar horse, but I don't know that I'll ever be a good enough rider to stay aboard a 1D horse.
As for illegals pushing the wages down of plumbers, etc., I'm going to call BS on that. You have to be licensed to be a plumber, electrician, etc. And anymore, a 4-year degree can help you get your foot in the door. What you do with it is up to the individual. Success isn't determined by a diploma on a wall or years spent in school. Sure a degree may help, but it isn't the end-all, be-all that allows a person to generate wealth. Wrong! 1 licensed plumber/electrician per 4 or more apprentices...So one well paid American usually a fat lazy white guy pointing his fingers while illegals do the work, I see it all the time.
So you're saying it's the unlicensed that are getting their wages pushed down by illegals? Once again, what is the barrier of one being a licensed plumber? Time. Effort. Ambition. Not money. My mom is a licensed plumber. It's certainly not an easy accomplishment but can be done with effort.
But bump that, right? Why can't I just get my $5,000 monthly check so I don't miss The Real Housewives? | |
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Location: North Texas | Itsme - 2014-09-05 11:35 AM
aggiejudger - 2014-09-05 9:50 AM
Just because you can buy it, doesn't mean you can ride it. If people have the money to buy it, they usually lack the time to make it. I will never own a high dollar horse, but I don't know that I'll ever be a good enough rider to stay aboard a 1D horse.
As for illegals pushing the wages down of plumbers, etc., I'm going to call BS on that. You have to be licensed to be a plumber, electrician, etc. And anymore, a 4-year degree can help you get your foot in the door. What you do with it is up to the individual. Success isn't determined by a diploma on a wall or years spent in school. Sure a degree may help, but it isn't the end-all, be-all that allows a person to generate wealth.Â
Wrong! 1 licensed plumber/electrician per 4 or more apprentices...So one well paid American usually a fat lazy white guy pointing his fingers while illegals do the work, I see it all the time.
Itsme, Can You or are You willing to PROVE those 'apprentices' are illegal immigrants? Or is this just conjecture on your behalf? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Bozo, Scamper, Louie, Orange Crush, and Dolly were all those 6-figure horses, right? How much was Hot Shot when he was first purchased?
Hard work and talent is a huge equalizer. Funny how that works. | |
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Location: North Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-09-05 11:45 AM
Bozo, Scamper, Louie, Orange Crush, and Dolly were all those 6-figure horses, right? Â How much was Hot Shot when he was first purchased?
Hard work and talent is a huge equalizer. Â Funny how that works. Â
And speaking of hard work and talent together.....................Hard Work will carry one further than Talent. For with out the hard work to exploit talent, talent is wasted! I would much rather deal with someone who is a hard worker with less talent than with a talented individual who is lazy.
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| Â Horses being used for recreation have always been expensive and not everyone can afford them. This is nothing new. Maybe from the early 80's and prior you could get away with no silver. I grew up showing in the late 80's.It required a lot of money then. It trequires a lot of money now. Nothing has changed. Horses are not a necessity in life. Therefore they are an expense that not everyone can afford. It has nothing to do with income inequality. It has to do with priorities and if you can afford an extra circular activity. Not everyone can afford to snow ski. Does that mean it's income inequality? | |
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Location: Beggs, OK | This reminds me of a comment that a 12 year old girl made to my oldest daughter recently...She told her that she was spoiled and didn't deserve the mares that she's running and winning on.
The back story on these mares is, yes they are nice...but, they are former cutting horses that my daughter has trained herself. They cost nowhere near what the horses that she's outrunning in many cases cost, but they would cost a whole lot more to go buy them now!
I work everyday to make sure that my girls understand that hardwork pays off and faith in God will carry you through. If things get difficult it just means that you need to keep up the hard work and better things are coming for you. They see that this is true by the example that their father and I have set for them...it's proven to be true for us time and time again.
No we are not all created equal...and it has nothing to do physical attributes. It's all about your Work Ethic. | |
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| When I opened this post, I thought the topic would be about different wages/salaries for the same profession throughout the world, but this topic is not about inequality.
This post is about the value society puts on the job and pays the worth.
A CEO makes the money they do because they earn it, they earn the companies a gigantic profit, for the most part they sacrifice the time with their families to earn that company the profit. These people also don't only work 9-5 but have to make appearances at after hours events.
I had a discussion with my vet awhile back and he says since the last market crash that we haven't really gotten out of, he is making less money then he was before.
He said this is because the lay person cannot afford the treatments they did prior, so to keep the service and to do the best he can for the animal he has had to cut his profit margin, and sought alternatives to the procedures, for example stem cell injections 2500, versus generic stem cell injections 200.
For the question are horses going to become a rich mans game, it always has been, jumping, polo, showing. The wealthy look at horses as disposable, if they are not going to win, they move onto the next one until they find the superstar. This is why they keep winning.
The lay person, majority of the times the horse is part of the family, as we cannot afford to replace them, we develop a bond with them as we in general do not have grooms, trainers, exercisers, etc we do it all. The lay person also require their horse to do more then one job, barrel racing, roping, branding, moving cattle, etc.
Will the lay person be able to afford horses in 50 years, doubtful, if the economy and weather doesn't change. Droughts have increased the demand of hay and essential grains causing the cost to increase. The processing of the staples has also increased as metal, and fuel prices have increased therefore the price has to increase, all these increases in price the end person has to pay for, the horse owner.
I know this last year local jackpots in my area with no added money are charging 40-50 dollars per run, this has definitely made me reconsider what runs I go to.
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| We started with nothing, broke as you can be when we were first married. My husband made squat but he was the first one to work and the last one to leave. We never ate out, did not buy new clothes and had to watch every penny. 25 years later, his work ethic and skills have been rewarded with financial compensation that puts us in the top earning bracket. When our oldest finished her masters and started her career, his advice was the same: be the first to get there and the last to leave. She moved to a new city for her job and her supervisor asked her if she was adapting and making friends because unlike the other office staff who did not put in an extra minute, she was the first to show up and the last to leave. She has already started moving up the ladder in her career.
I am not an economist but my daughter is and she attributes the disparity and growing income gap to the technology age. People have been able to make huge fortunes in a relativley short time compared to the years it used to take to build a business. It skews the numbers. I don't begrudge anyone who is skilled and smart enough to make it big. They deserve it, they create a lot of jobs and help our economy.
Yes, you could see income inequality at ANHA, I saw lots of people walk away with checks when I did not get one, lol. To the OP, if you won money did you split it with those who did not??
I could complain that it is not fair that I have to compete against people who have barrel raced their whole life compared to my riding and racing for a few years. Instead, I enjoy my blessings and am thankful for the opportunities that I am given.
I don't see income inequality affecting our sport as much as I do talent or lack of it (where I fit in).
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| bocephus's mama - 2014-09-05 11:43 AM
Itsme - 2014-09-05 11:35 AM aggiejudger - 2014-09-05 9:50 AM Just because you can buy it, doesn't mean you can ride it. If people have the money to buy it, they usually lack the time to make it. I will never own a high dollar horse, but I don't know that I'll ever be a good enough rider to stay aboard a 1D horse.
As for illegals pushing the wages down of plumbers, etc., I'm going to call BS on that. You have to be licensed to be a plumber, electrician, etc. And anymore, a 4-year degree can help you get your foot in the door. What you do with it is up to the individual. Success isn't determined by a diploma on a wall or years spent in school. Sure a degree may help, but it isn't the end-all, be-all that allows a person to generate wealth. Wrong! 1 licensed plumber/electrician per 4 or more apprentices...So one well paid American usually a fat lazy white guy pointing his fingers while illegals do the work, I see it all the time.
But bump that, right? Why can't I just get my $5,000 monthly check so I don't miss The Real Housewives? Â
And she makes the same wage as plumbers did in the 90s...
Im not here to fight, if you like the direction our country is headed then good for you. 
I personally think its taking a turn for the worse in all areas... | |
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| Itsme - 2014-09-05 12:29 PM bocephus's mama - 2014-09-05 11:43 AM Itsme - 2014-09-05 11:35 AM aggiejudger - 2014-09-05 9:50 AM Just because you can buy it, doesn't mean you can ride it. If people have the money to buy it, they usually lack the time to make it. I will never own a high dollar horse, but I don't know that I'll ever be a good enough rider to stay aboard a 1D horse.
As for illegals pushing the wages down of plumbers, etc., I'm going to call BS on that. You have to be licensed to be a plumber, electrician, etc. And anymore, a 4-year degree can help you get your foot in the door. What you do with it is up to the individual. Success isn't determined by a diploma on a wall or years spent in school. Sure a degree may help, but it isn't the end-all, be-all that allows a person to generate wealth. Wrong! 1 licensed plumber/electrician per 4 or more apprentices...So one well paid American usually a fat lazy white guy pointing his fingers while illegals do the work, I see it all the time.
But bump that, right? Why can't I just get my $5,000 monthly check so I don't miss The Real Housewives? And she makes the same wage as plumbers did in the 90s... Im not here to fight, if you like the direction our country is headed then good for you. I personally think its taking a turn for the worse in all areas...
My husband builds apartments. The company he works for builds all over the US and had the most new starts last year. He said there are areas in the US where wages are the same as 15 years ago. Here in Houston wages have increased over the last few years for all types of skilled labor. His biggest problem is with the subs having enough skilled manpower to get the jobs built on time. | |
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