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Location: California | Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
This statement is true in theory, but not in practice. As a high school teacher, it is so disturbing to me to see my students sport the jerseys of players like Michael Vick. The kids idolize these men for their athletic abilities and many of them do not consider anything past that.
It is so disturbing. I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could. | |
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| phillyincal - 2014-09-14 11:48 AM
Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
 Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
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It is so disturbing. Â I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. Â It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could.
I am sorry for going off topic here. I will say one thing Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson seem to have remorse, but Hernandez never showed any softening at all during his whole ordeal. He was downright scary. | |
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Location: California | sodapop - 2014-09-15 9:51 AM phillyincal - 2014-09-14 11:48 AM Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
It is so disturbing. I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could. I am sorry for going off topic here. I will say one thing Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson seem to have remorse, but Hernandez never showed any softening at all during his whole ordeal. He was downright scary.
Yes definitely! Not trying to go OT with that example, but I totally agree. My husband's a Pats fan and we watched a lot of that coverage and yes, that man is a very scary person. | |
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| geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:50 AM Thinking if there were more spankins handed out maybe the regular mobs of 300+ gangs that happen around here might save the cops from "abusing" or heck even killing the occasional law breaker. The number of gangs seem to be increasing in all areas. That is scary. They are not just in the large inner cities anymore. I'm not sure what has led them to crime, but knowing they can get away with most of it probably is an incentive to pursue it. Probably the same reason so many dishonest politicians can do what they do...... they end up getting away with it.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | phillyincal - 2014-09-14 11:48 AM Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
It is so disturbing. I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could.
You hit the nail on the head….The NFL is an EMPLOYER…..They have “employed” big, bad, mean, steroid induced BULLIES who have beat women, beat (not just spanked) children, shot people, killed people in drunken car wrecks, arrested in bar fights, fought and killed dogs, etc, etc, etc…..Perhaps the “FAN BASE”, who, ultimately, pays their wages, has finally said……..it is time to clean up the game. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | NJJ - 2014-09-14 11:59 AM phillyincal - 2014-09-14 11:48 AM Nevertooold - 2014-09-15 9:24 AM jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Is it because we feel helpless as we have lost control of our government and we are lashing out and going to the extremes with people that we can hold accountable? I wish everyone would put this much effort into getting our country back.
The NFL is an employer and nothing more and I agree it's not their job to enforce the law.
It is so disturbing. I have to give Kraft and the Patriots a huge kudos for how they handled the Aaron Hernandez jersey situation. It was really good of them to try to get as many of those jerseys off the streets as they could.
I can see both your point and Pllyincal's point. I'm not a fan of football, baseball, or basketball. I think they are all over paid and a bit of a joke. Michael Vick is an evil POS but in reality..I think the fans will stand behind any of this thugs just like they did Vick. It seems it's the rest of us that demand justice. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:50 AM Thinking if there were more spankins handed out maybe the regular mobs of 300+ gangs that happen around here might save the cops from "abusing" or heck even killing the occasional law breaker.
I totally agree about spankings but there is a huge difference in a good old spanking versus physical abuse.
As far as Chicago...They are nothing but a bunch of animals and besides throwing them in jail and throwing the key away I don't see much hope there. They are what they are. | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | jbhoot - 2014-09-14 11:08 AM Why is the focus in both theses cases on the NFL? IMO both these cases should be in front of the prosecutor. Both of the players broke the law. Why does everyone want Godell's head? Where the heck is the law enforcement? In the Rice case the wife would not file charges Ok but the prosecutor sure as heck can. In the Peterson case charges have rightly filed. IMO both of these guys need to serve time in jail for their actions. But why is it the job of the NFL commissioner to enforce the law. The NFL should suspend them both and leave it up to the courts.
Finally the voice of reason. Seems to me if the law took appropriate action the NFL's response would become a mute point. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nevertooold - 2014-09-14 12:36 PM geronabean - 2014-09-14 11:50 AM Thinking if there were more spankins handed out maybe the regular mobs of 300+ gangs that happen around here might save the cops from "abusing" or heck even killing the occasional law breaker. I totally agree about spankings but there is a huge difference in a good old spanking versus physical abuse.
As far as Chicago...They are nothing but a bunch of animals and besides throwing them in jail and throwing the key away I don't see much hope there. They are what they are.
It's one thing to blister a butt so they're reminded of it every time they sit down for a few days (and I can't imagine doing even that much to a 4 year old...those kind of transgressions happen with older kids, not little ones), and something else altogether to draw blood. | |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | sodapop - 2014-09-14 10:02 AM Why this woman went ahead and married this guy, I have no idea.
They are discussing on tv right now why some guys in the NFL are still getting to play after things they've done. Good points. If Ray Rice is out, then so should the others who have done similar things.
LOL - I can tell you why...same reason she's so upset he's not getting to play (and therefore not getting paid)... 
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Ok, so these professional athletes are punished for bad behavior. They are expected to set good examples and be role models. OK, fair enough. I can handle that. What about our politicians?
Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury. His conduct while in office was despicable....but the cry went out that it was a private matter, and it was "just sex", etc.... He got away with it. he was let off the hook. In fact, his popularity rose after his scandals. Why wasn't he punished for his allegations? Sure, he had to go through the investigations by Starr, the scorn, the humiliation....but in the end, he got off scot free, except for what amounted to a slap in the wrist.
Mark Sanford, possibly one of the biggest scum sucking hypocrites in the history of politics, lied to public when he went AWOL and disappeared to see his mistress. He said he went for a hike in the Appalachians. He denied using public funds to see his mistress, but that was determined to be a lie as well. Ultimately, he was rewarded for his lies and malthesence by getting elected to the United States Congress.
Charlie Rangel cheated on his taxes, while serving as chairman of the House Ways and Means committee......the one that sets tax policies. Was he "punished"? Not really. He's still a US Congressman.
Barack Obama's lies and deceptions cannot be denied.......yet, there was no consequence.
Richard Nixon was dead-in-the-water of criminal acts, and could have been prosecuted after he resigned ......but he was pardoned.
Now, we have football players who are programmed to be aggressive and even take steroids that alter their behavior into a more animalistic human being.....and one guy punches his girlfriend (after she punched him) and he is basically stripped of his career....largely because of "public outrage". Peterson goes overboard and abuses his child....they are calling of the same thing.
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Location: Arkansas | HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:49 AM My point was that there is an assumption of guilt. I don't think Peterson killed his 2 yr old son. In other words, is it right that someone should be punished for an accusation? I haven't seen any photos of the kid. I know I had many ass tannings as a kid, and a lot of them left marks. I want to see photos and know more before I declare a man guilty and punish him before he has a chance to defend himself.
Doc, I saw the pictures of the kid. They were all over the internet. That wasn't a tree branch he used on the kid. It was an old fashion switch, the leaves peel off, just like a whip. And those "branchs" can cut the skin and leave a hell of a mark. As evidence by the pictures of that kid's behind.
The worst my mother threatened to use on me was a fly swater! The kind you killed fly's with. I used a plastic one on my youngest when he'd run off and I'd have to leave his baby brother to hunt him up. I'd swish that fly swater at his leg's as he ran for home (and missed most of the time.)
In our travels, we lived close to a Army Medic. He said never use your hand on a child. You'd miss the butt you were aiming at and hit their back. Causing bleeding of the kidneys. It's hard to hit a dancing behine. If you had to use your hand, swat their thigh. If you had to use something else, a folded web belt was sufficent. Never ever disipline in anger. Your brain's fall out and you lose all reasoning. | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 1:18 PM Ok, so these professional athletes are punished for bad behavior. They are expected to set good examples and be role models. OK, fair enough. I can handle that. What about our politicians? Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury. His conduct while in office was despicable....but the cry went out that it was a private matter, and it was "just sex", etc.... He got away with it. he was let off the hook. In fact, his popularity rose after his scandals. Why wasn't he punished for his allegations? Sure, he had to go through the investigations by Starr, the scorn, the humiliation....but in the end, he got off scot free, except for what amounted to a slap in the wrist. Mark Sanford, possibly one of the biggest scum sucking hypocrites in the history of politics, lied to public when he went AWOL and disappeared to see his mistress. He said he went for a hike in the Appalachians. He denied using public funds to see his mistress, but that was determined to be a lie as well. Ultimately, he was rewarded for his lies and malthesence by getting elected to the United States Congress. Charlie Rangel cheated on his taxes, while serving as chairman of the House Ways and Means committee......the one that sets tax policies. Was he "punished"? Not really. He's still a US Congressman. Barack Obama's lies and deceptions cannot be denied.......yet, there was no consequence. Richard Nixon was dead-in-the-water of criminal acts, and could have been prosecuted after he resigned ......but he was pardoned. Now, we have football players who are programmed to be aggressive and even take steroids that alter their behavior into a more animalistic human being.....and one guy punches his girlfriend (after she punched him) and he is basically stripped of his career....largely because of "public outrage". Peterson goes overboard and abuses his child....they are calling of the same thing. This is what chaps my ass. It's due to celebrity, money, social media, popularity, and cause. Those political things you mentioned for example are not known by as many as you would think. I truly believe more adults are interested in sports and celebrity in general than politics. Even when a political issue makes headlines it isn't shared on social media and discussed like celebrity incidents. Just look at how much interest the selfie of Ellen Degeneres and other celebs at the Oscars had early this year. It was talked about for weeks, overloaded twitter, and the majority of the public knew about it because they wanted to know about it.
Organizations such as domestic abuse organizations can use this high public event to make a point and when they do more people will notice or listen because more people are interested in the celebrity of it all. The organizations know how much the U.S. society in general idolizes its celebrities. The organizations know that society will give these beloved celebs a free pass for bad behavior & possibly even condone it. I mean Ray Rice socked this girl good, drug her out of the elevator face down (while she was out cold), and plopped her face down on the ground with no concern for her well being and women were singing his praises on the news wearing his jersey in a news report.
With social media, more people even not interested in sports will know what has happened and have an opinion since more people will share and discuss these incidents due to the celebrity aspect.
This is also an opportunity for anti-sports people to say football promotes violence. Everyone has a platform or an angle. The fact that these athletes get paid so much money to "play a game" also upsets people and they are looking for any reason to point out their faults.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | One thing you almost never hear about is this kind of conduct with the Minnesota Twins. They have always been a class act. They give back to the community in so many ways, and even when they have had a bad year on the field, they still exude class and humility. It comes from the top and trickles down. Former Twins who end up playing for other organizations still exude class. It's almost like you can pick them out of a crowd. Major League Baseball is full of former Minnesota Twins who conduct themselves the way we would like to see all professional athletes conduct themselves. If some ball player in the organization shows signs of being a bad apple, he doesn't stick around very long....but those instances are very rare, probably because they get weeded out promptly. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I believe in corporal punishment. I'm not condoning bloody beatings, if that's what happened with Peterson, but in my opinion, this notion that kids shouldn't be spanked doesn't seem to be working very well.
I have a feeling that if Dylan Klebald and Eric Harris would have gotten their butts kicked by their parents a time or two, we might not have seen Columbine. Same thing with inner city kids.
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| sodapop - 2014-09-14 2:19 PM
HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 1:18 PM Ok, so these professional athletes are punished for bad behavior. They are expected to set good examples and be role models. OK, fair enough. I can handle that. What about our politicians? Bill Clinton was guilty of perjury. His conduct while in office was despicable....but the cry went out that it was a private matter, and it was "just sex", etc.... He got away with it. he was let off the hook. In fact, his popularity rose after his scandals. Why wasn't he punished for his allegations? Sure, he had to go through the investigations by Starr, the scorn, the humiliation....but in the end, he got off scot free, except for what amounted to a slap in the wrist. Mark Sanford, possibly one of the biggest scum sucking hypocrites in the history of politics, lied to public when he went AWOL and disappeared to see his mistress. He said he went for a hike in the Appalachians. He denied using public funds to see his mistress, but that was determined to be a lie as well. Ultimately, he was rewarded for his lies and malthesence by getting elected to the United States Congress. Charlie Rangel cheated on his taxes, while serving as chairman of the House Ways and Means committee......the one that sets tax policies. Was he "punished"? Not really. He's still a US Congressman. Barack Obama's lies and deceptions cannot be denied.......yet, there was no consequence. Richard Nixon was dead-in-the-water of criminal acts, and could have been prosecuted after he resigned ......but he was pardoned. Now, we have football players who are programmed to be aggressive and even take steroids that alter their behavior into a more animalistic human being.....and one guy punches his girlfriend (after she punched him) and he is basically stripped of his career....largely because of "public outrage". Peterson goes overboard and abuses his child....they are calling of the same thing. This is what chaps my ass. It's due to celebrity, money, social media, popularity, and cause.  Those political things you mentioned for example are not known by as many as you would think.  I truly believe more adults are interested in sports and celebrity in general than politics. Even when a political issue makes headlines it isn't shared on social media and discussed like celebrity incidents. Just look at how much interest the selfie of Ellen Degeneres and other celebs at the Oscars had early this year. It was talked about for weeks, overloaded twitter, and the majority of the public knew about it because they wanted to know about it.Â
Organizations such as domestic abuse organizations can use this high public event to make a point and when they do more people will notice or listen because more people are interested in the celebrity of it all. The organizations know how much the U.S. society in general idolizes its celebrities. The organizations know that society will give these beloved celebs a free pass for bad behavior & possibly even condone it. I mean Ray Rice socked this girl good, drug her out of the elevator face down (while she was out cold), and plopped her face down on the ground with no concern for her well being and women were singing his praises on the news wearing his jersey in a news report.
With social media, more people even not interested in sports will know what has happened and have an opinion since more people will share and discuss these incidents due to the celebrity aspect.
This is also an opportunity for anti-sports people to say football promotes violence. Everyone has a platform or an angle. The fact that these athletes get paid so much money to "play a game" also upsets people and they are looking for any reason to point out their faults.Â
The Romans built the Coliseum to entertain the masses and kept their minds off the politico. Not much different than today. And the media falls for it hook line and sinker. | |
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My feeling is that the big difference is not so much that we try to hold athletes to a higher standard but in the nature of the incidents. Yes politicians lie, cheat, & steal...and perhaps we have just come to expect that and tend to turn more of a blind eye to it when it happens - however those aren't physical incidents. Yes it makes me mad that they get off scott-free, and I'm not saying people don't get hurt in some way...but the cases with AP and RR are far different. My gut feeling is that both instances were one-time deals involving a moment of extreme rage...but what if I'm wrong? These are extremely strong, powerful athletes that make a living by playing a violent sport - they could quite easily kill someone with their bare hands if they lose their minds. Next time it might not be welts but a broken arm, or a broken leg, or heaven-forbid a broken neck for that little boy...or a fall down the stairs or worse for Ray Rice's wife. Do I think either player should be banned for life? Not at all...but the punishment needs to be severe enough to make them stop and think if they're ever in the same situation again - and a 2-game suspension is less than a slap on the wrist for these guys...THAT'S what people are upset with Goodell about. If making them sit out a 1/2 season or a full season will make them take a step back the next time they reach that point, or encourage them to get help for their tempers (& I'm including Ray Rice's wife in that...that's a f***ed up relationship if ever I saw one) - then it'll be worth it.
As far as all football players being thugs - there are far more hard-working, decent players than there are "thugs". Unfortunately they aren't deemed "headline-worthy" by the media so you never hear about the majority of them...and equally unfortunately that leads to the youth looking up to the thugs instead of the actual pros. | |
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Location: oklahoma | HotbearLVR - 2014-09-14 10:54 AM sodapop - 2014-09-14 10:48 AM I think Ray Rice should be held accountable just like any person who abuses someone. I know he isn't the only NFL player who is breaking the law. All professional athetes, celebrities, politicians, etc. should be held to the same standard as everyone else and face the same consequences. If there had not been a video of Rice hitting his girlfriend in the elevator, there wouldn't be such as uproar. I don't think men should hit women, but I also don't think women should hit men. She of course did him no harm.
First, they punished him with a 2 game suspension. Then once the video got out he was suspended I definitely. Also, the woman hit him first, plus she went ahead and married the guy. Is his being banned indefinitely a proportionate punishment? What should the punishment be for a man who, say, b!tch slaps a woman for hitting him with a closed fist?
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