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| bingo - 2014-09-21 4:57 PM
I have to disagree w/you Jbhoot. I think the reason more and more of this is happening is BECAUSE these horses CAN'T be sold. The horse market is OVERLY flooded with horses no one wants. The proof is in situations just like this. Maybe these horses that died were sick from an illness that spread through the herd. maybe they weren't starved. Maybe selling them wasn't even an option. Time will tell hopefully, but it does not take much research to understand what is going on with the horse market. Our economy is bad, just keeping horses is expensive. Add to that an over abundance of unwanted animals and their prices go spiraling downward fast.
How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell.
The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up.
This is an extremely sad situation. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the owner.
I most cases I would agree with you but not in this one. These where for the most part not cheap horses. And there is at least one or two threads on this site a week looking for horses just like these. If they wanted to price them cheap you could have sold them or given them away. Yes I am well aware of the horse market I have been buying and selling them for over 50 years. |
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| How much do you think the owner could have sold one of these horses for? Maybe she WAS trying to sell them? |
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Location: lone star state | The stallion is dual peppy from babcock ranch. Mr CT Babcock is diligently working to get him back at this time. Such a sad shame this great horses life has taken this terrible path :( |
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Location: South Central Florida | bingo - 2014-09-21 5:57 PM I have to disagree w/you Jbhoot. I think the reason more and more of this is happening is BECAUSE these horses CAN'T be sold. The horse market is OVERLY flooded with horses no one wants. The proof is in situations just like this. Maybe these horses that died were sick from an illness that spread through the herd. maybe they weren't starved. Maybe selling them wasn't even an option. Time will tell hopefully, but it does not take much research to understand what is going on with the horse market. Our economy is bad, just keeping horses is expensive. Add to that an over abundance of unwanted animals and their prices go spiraling downward fast. How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell. The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up. This is an extremely sad situation. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the owner.
I have to agree with you here. The situation "LOOKS" horrible, but the story does not give much information. I never just assume the worst. The horses that passed away in the barn, we don't know that they did not die naturally from age. . .I don't own a loader, when we have had horses pass away, we have to pay someone to come dig for us, and we are lucky enough to own enough land to bury them here.
I guess I just don't like people jumping on someone with out knowing more of the story. Perhaps people on here know more than has been posted, but just based on the story from the link, I feel for the people. I don't see anyone offering to pay for hay or buying feed for the remaining horses.
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| bingo - 2014-09-21 6:02 PM
How much do you think the owner could have sold one of these horses for? Maybe she WAS trying to sell them?
Since he is an AQHA Champion more than a couple of bucks. |
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| Swannranch - 2014-09-21 6:30 PM
bingo - 2014-09-21 5:57 PM I have to disagree w/you Jbhoot. I think the reason more and more of this is happening is BECAUSE these horses CAN'T be sold. The horse market is OVERLY flooded with horses no one wants. The proof is in situations just like this. Maybe these horses that died were sick from an illness that spread through the herd. maybe they weren't starved. Maybe selling them wasn't even an option. Time will tell hopefully, but it does not take much research to understand what is going on with the horse market. Our economy is bad, just keeping horses is expensive. Add to that an over abundance of unwanted animals and their prices go spiraling downward fast. How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell. The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up. This is an extremely sad situation. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the owner.
I have to agree with you here. The situation "LOOKS" horrible, but the story does not give much information. I never just assume the worst. The horses that passed away in the barn, we don't know that they did not die naturally from age. . .I don't own a loader, when we have had horses pass away, we have to pay someone to come dig for us, and we are lucky enough to own enough land to bury them here.
I guess I just don't like people jumping on someone with out knowing more of the story. Perhaps people on here know more than has been posted, but just based on the story from the link, I feel for the people. I don't see anyone offering to pay for hay or buying feed for the remaining horses.
Check out the face book page there are all kinds of offers. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Holy cow people, if this person could not feed these horses, why in the He$$ didnt they just place them in a home/foster care untill he/she could take care of them themselfs why in the He$$ let these poor horses suffer the way they did/ or doing now. I dont understand the way some think.  |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Or just take them to the auction yard! There are sales every week. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | equussynergy - 2014-09-21 6:57 PM Or just take them to the auction yard! There are sales every week.
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| Well "offers", and actual "purchases" are 2 big differences. Tire kickers in the horse business are more common than buyers. |
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| I wonder if any of these horses were insured? |
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Holy Fruit Loops!
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Location: Colorado | Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
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| Do you personally know this person? Do you really think she is mentally ill? Colorado can have a booming economy but if the horse business is not booming, that doesn't mean a thing. How is the horse business doing? That is what matters.
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| Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
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While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT. |
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Location: Florida.. | THIS is NOT ok.. give him away then.. sorry I dont buy the STUCK with him.. send out a PLEA for help.. instead but dont starve them.. I do not know the story but this is pure neglect imho |
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Holy Fruit Loops!
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Location: Colorado | No Bingo I do NOT know this person. But, thanks for assuming I would knowingly let these horses or any others end up like this.
I have been involved in way too many rescues over the years and have seen it over and over. Since you obviously missed the point............. generally these situations end up being a hoarding situation. The owner starts on a down hill spiral, sometimes a financial issue starts it. Sometimes it is the death of a spouse, etc. They believe no one cares, no one can help, etc.. They believe they are the only ones capable. And yes it is a well documented mental illness.
Try reading my words and understanding that I am putting the blame on a whole lot of folks for not seeing this until now.
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Location: Colorado | suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,
I don't know where you are located. But................ Colorado's economy is booming. The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need. And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were.
Having dealt with a number of these situations. Both equine and canine. It rarely is because of the economy. It becomes a hording situation which is sadly a mental illness.
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation. What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past? How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site? How about neighbors? Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.
karen
karen While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT.
suzy,
Depends on what and where. Good horses are still bringing decent prices. This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects.
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Location: Colorado | Biblia,
Not sure where you saw that anyone was stuck with Dual Peppy. I am in no way saying this is not neglect. What I was attempting to do is explain how this can happen and what can be done by everyone to help prevent it.
But why is a past owner now a hero for jumping up and down saying he wants " his " horse back? If this Stud was so important would you not have checked on him before now? Of course you would have.
The media has a whole bunch of "interesting" information. I will guarantee all of the folks jumping up and down, calling the Sheriffs office "demanding things are not helping. There are multiple posts on FB and the other site linked stating CO does not have abuse laws. Wrong! There are posts that folks are calling the FBI demanding stuff. Honestly if someone was not trying to make a point out of this case including a Cutting Stallion with a name would there be this outcry? Probably not. I want to see this case prosecuted. But I also want people to stop and think about the ones not getting this much media/social media coverage.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Bibliafarm - 2014-09-21 8:03 PM THIS is NOT ok.. give him away then.. sorry I dont buy the STUCK with him.. send out a PLEA for help.. instead but dont starve them.. I do not know the story but this is pure neglect imho
Thank you Bibs. I don't give a rats behind what the CO economy is, what the horse economy is. This is plain and simple WRONG. Any normal human being doesn't starve animals. I dont care if they had to give these horses away free and clear at least someone would have been feeding them. I'm amazed at the people standing up for the criminals that did this. I'll starve before my horses will starve. |
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