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I think JL should ban him for a few years. |
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| NJJ - 2014-10-01 8:13 AM
cindyt - 2014-10-01 7:10 AM rodeomom3 - 2014-10-01 6:50 AM  It is all over FB, said he rolled his time over from the futurity using registered name then entered under the barn name and ran.  Verified it by looking at video.  Some are calling in an honest mistake.. A post from FB: I know that Troy is an experience. Futurity rider and I want to believe it was an honest mistake. In the futurity you could carry over,but if you were a future fortunes horse,you could not,you had to run in the open. Maybe the owner made the mistake when he signed him up. Troy was just the jockey. Kendall Owen ran the 14.763 . I hope it was not intended. I just heard about this and that bites, a friend won the 3D and now what? does she have to give the money back because Troy did this? wow... Im just in awe.... (and heres my thought) how does someone like Troy not know the rules by now?  right..... using a registered name and then a barn name... hummmmmmm  That just sucks for those that won big and now.......
Im curious to see what happens...Â
He couldnt have written down a registered horses name? |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Itsme - 2014-10-01 8:40 AM What should his"punishment" be? I think JL should ban him for a few years.
I dont know who entered the horse, him, the owner, or if they asked the rules prior to entering and maybe a staff member told them wrong??- I wasnt there. But I think taking his win away is enough? I mean, I guess I dont understand the desire to burn him at the stake? |
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| Wow! It causes quite a dominoe affect down through the divisions and unnecessary problems for the producer because of the mistake, intentional or not, of one person. Such a shame for this to happen at such a large and well-known venue. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Just out of curiosity, how many horses did he actually run? I'm not sure how one would not know that they had already ran a particular horse. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I don't think they should accept any entries by barn name either. That's kind of crazy. |
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Location: The edge of no where | LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:51 AM
I don't think they should accept any entries by barn name either. That's kind of crazy.
So what do you do with grade horses? I have one that I know is papered....but I have no idea what his registered name is. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:48 AM Just out of curiosity, how many horses did he actually run? I'm not sure how one would not know that they had already ran a particular horse.
I doubt that is the case. I think it is more of a case of not knowing you couldnt just enter the open race. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | MS2011 - 2014-10-01 8:55 AM LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:51 AM
I don't think they should accept any entries by barn name either. That's kind of crazy. So what do you do with grade horses? I have one that I know is papered....but I have no idea what his registered name is.
Maybe, put a "G" behind the name. Are there that many on them out there running in these big races? I don't know, just asking. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | MS2011 - 2014-10-01 8:55 AM LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:51 AM
I don't think they should accept any entries by barn name either. That's kind of crazy. So what do you do with grade horses? I have one that I know is papered....but I have no idea what his registered name is.
Too bad they can't DNA test horses that are know to come from registered parents.......I realize that would be insane.....but, too bad. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I guess what this tells me is that it is just too easy to cheat in barrel racing. It's only natural to wonder how many additional "premier names" leading our sport are guilty of cheating, one way or another....especially when you include doping. The sport is crying out for more uniformity, in my opinion. That should include drug testing and other rules, such as using papered names, and perhaps most importantly, real CONSEQUENCES that hurt when one is busted. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | TurnLane - 2014-10-01 8:31 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished.
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Location: In a happy place | TurnLane - 2014-10-01 8:31 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished.
I understand you being loyal to an icon in barrel racing and Troy has certainly had a lot of things to do with barrel races growing from back in the dark ages.
What I don't understand is the mentality of the masses now days that people shouldn't be punished for breaking rules/laws.
Jud Little is a huge barrel race with people coming from all over the country. The American is another huge venue for barrel racing.
In my mind barrel racing is barrel racing. If a steeper penality is enforced for cheating throughout all of barrel racing then this might be a start to making it fair again.
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| To me this really isnt cheating, he still entered the horse. ran it and won on it. But if I were the prouder I would still ban him a year or two for not following rules and just being disrespectful in general/ |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. |
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| In a way, I think it is a good thing that this happened with a trainer everyone knows, at a large barrel race. Maybe it will raise some awareness of things like this going on and it will become less common practice.
Let's all remember I made a post about this kind of rule "bending" and most responses were something along the lines of "I don't care if someone does this because I'm only concerned about my own horse and my own run"...
I also don't think he needs to be hung out to dry on this. I don't think it is something he will do again. I think the toll this is taking on his reputation alone is punishment enough. Do I think people should stop talking about it? No. It should be discussed. Do we need to say he is scum of the Earth and should be banned from barrel racing, well no I don't think that is right either.
Just some thoughts I had on it...
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Has anyone said what he claims to have happened?
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| Itsme - 2014-10-01 9:38 AM
To me this really isnt cheating, he still entered the horse. ran it and won on it. But if I were the prouder I would still ban him a year or two for not following rules and just being disrespectful in general/
Never mind, he rolled his horse into the same class as he ran it in later in the day? Thats not good, but I would still ban him a year or two. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 9:32 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 8:31 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished.
I have to sit here and “scratch my head” at some of the comments…..Why don’t you just pin a medal on his chest? "Mistake"????? Cheating is not a "Mistake"!!!
Do you think he would have "admitted" THAT mistake IF HE HADN'T BEEN CAUGHT ! ! ! ! |
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Location: Washington | IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete. |
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