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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RocketPilot - 2014-10-16 3:58 PM When he was first started, we sent him for 30 days with someone who rides a lot of young horses for people. The day we went to pick him up, he bucked. (sigh) We hauled him and his 3/4 sister 250 miles to another guy who had a good reputation for starting horses. My nephew took him for several months. I went out to catch him a pasture and he was standing by another horse. As I walked up to him and put my hand on his neck he wheeled, kicked and ran off. He almost nailed me in the head. My son cannot afford to get hurt on him either. He has always had the kicking problem and has never been mistreated. This behavior has been going on for so long. We are too old to mess him and are frankly scared of him. It breaks my heart, but we can't keep spending money on him.
That just sealed it for me, a horse that trys and wants to kick you would not have a place here with me and my family, I would just put him down are give him to someone that deals with problem horses, I had a filly that I raised and she was just a mean soul she would kick you just for the heck of it if she had the chance to and I did not trust her at all, told a race horse friend that I was thinking of putting her down he then try to buy her off of me and no I told him he could have her if he really wanted her he came and picked her up that afternoon, this was about 2 years ago and I never asked about her I really dont want to know, but I think he made a recept mare out of her{I guessed I spelled that right}. If you are scared of this gelding get rid of him are put him down. |
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Location: Heart of Texas | Sounds like EPM or something. Have you tried a horse hair analysis? Something sounds not right. I have a hard time believing he's just plain evil so I have to think EMP, kissing spine, ulcers, something. If it is something incurable, at least you know when you put him down that it was the humane thing to do and not a frustrated motive. But from what I've heard those HHA can tell you some pretty amazing things. I have a stall waker that will walk a 12 ft diameter left circle in a 100 acre pasture and i'm curious if it's something he's "lacking" or just a weird tick that nobody can explain. But Good Luck! I wish you the best. |
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| Can EPM cause a horse to kick with no provocation? I have had no experience with EPM, thankfully. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GLP - 2014-10-16 4:56 PM Can EPM cause a horse to kick with no provocation? I have had no experience with EPM, thankfully.
I really dont think so, the horses that I knew that had EPM could hardley move fast enought to kick and run off. My mare sure didnt have EPM she was just a mean bit**,lol.. |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | rachellyn80 - 2014-10-16 2:17 PM First of all consider the fact that they are animals...and are just as predisposed to mental illness as any other living thing.
Sometimes letting them go on to greener pastures is the kindest thing that you can do for them and yourself. Once he leaves your hands you won't know how he's being handled...and often times someone that will take one on like that is looking for a cheap project and they aren't the kind of people that you would want handling a horse you ever cared about.
I have one that has been in the pasture for two years that will not see the winter. He's too dangerous to compete on and too expensive to maintain for just a riding horse... Tough, tough decision, but I felt better once I said it outloud and know that he won't ever be mistreated for something that he just can't help.
well said! Sometimes thats the best answer. Its sad but heck i'm all for recycling horses too! |
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| My gelding was broke at 2 he was kindest horse and all of a sudden the fall of 3 year old if you did not keep him worked everyday he would buck take him toa 2 or 3 day show first day he was a angel the longer show the worse he got. I had to,inject his hocks as a five year old he the got more reliable. The when my husband got sick imcoukd not,keep him ridden up he got worse after my husband died imstarted riding more he never as reliable one of the vets tested accupressure points he tested pos for ulcers, got him on omeprizole he turned in to a nonbucking angel. This did not fix his other problems but i am at this moment giving him oroquin an time will tell after i,finish with the meds i will do a week on omeprizole. before you put him down get 2 weeks of omeprizole get the compunded stuff and see what happens. If that does not fix it. I,dont know but if younhave kept him this long you must see some good in him. |
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| Sounds like you have done the right thing with him...like someone else said...horses can have mental illnesses too and he sounds to be off in the head pretty bad. The bucking is one thing but the kicking thing puts the nail in the coffin for me if he were mine. I'd put him down...don't sell him and don't keep putting time into him which only puts you in danger. If you kept messing with him and he hurt someone bad the guilt you'd feel KNOWING he was more than capable of that would be unbearable IMO. You would be doing the right thing to put him down and save yourself from danger and save him from a long life of possible abuse, starvation, or slaughter and the possibly of hurting someone else down the line. |
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Location: Mississippi | Have him checked for PSSM. $35 @ Animal Genetics |
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Location: Iowa | You have to decide to 1. let someone else try him, and not knowing where he would go after that or 2. put him down and know he didn't suffer cruel treatment. A tough decision but only you know in your gut what is right for you and that horse. Not every horse can be fixed and there are enough bad ones out there. |
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Location: IM A DUDE!!!!!!! | haven't read all the replies
but if you don't want to put him down, maybe sell or give him to a rodeo company. Im sure they would take him off your hands for bucking stock
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| I had one like that.. I sold her after she almost killed me and the vet. She was h&ll bent on hurting herself. Long story short she almost killed the next two owners and hurt them bad in the process. I saw her several months later at the killer sale. Some are just not right in the head. I let the person know that bought her she said it was me whatever. |
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Location: Texas | cowboynsouthtx81 - 2014-10-16 9:16 PM haven't read all the replies
but if you don't want to put him down, maybe sell or give him to a rodeo company. Im sure they would take him off your hands for bucking stock
We tried bucking him with the hope that he would buck good enough for rodeo stock or get it out of his system. Didn't happen. He doesn't buck hard enough to be good but he is smart enough to surprise you. You can never trust him. |
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No Tune in a Bucket
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Location: Texas | rowdy256 - 2014-10-16 9:46 PM I had one like that.. I sold her after she almost killed me and the vet. She was h&ll bent on hurting herself. Long story short she almost killed the next two owners and hurt them bad in the process. I saw her several months later at the killer sale. Some are just not right in the head. I let the person know that bought her she said it was me whatever.
This is what I am afraid of. I care too much about him to send him to the kill pen. If I gave his away, there is still nothing to say he still would not end up there. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | RocketPilot - 2014-10-16 10:10 PM rowdy256 - 2014-10-16 9:46 PM I had one like that.. I sold her after she almost killed me and the vet. She was h&ll bent on hurting herself. Long story short she almost killed the next two owners and hurt them bad in the process. I saw her several months later at the killer sale. Some are just not right in the head. I let the person know that bought her she said it was me whatever. This is what I am afraid of. I care too much about him to send him to the kill pen. If I gave his away, there is still nothing to say he still would not end up there.
Exactly and I can about gaurantee thats exactly where he would end up. No horse deserves that. Do the right thing for yourself and the horse and just put him down. That way you KNOW he will never be mistreated, nor will he hurt anybody. That is the kindest thing you can do. |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | I have to admit that I didn't read all the comments, but I have to leave shortly and wanted to comment. I had a horse that would spook at ANYTHING! He occasionally would take advantage of that and buck & jump around after spooking. I switched his feed to Purina Ultium Competition, and he became a completely different horse. He stopped spooking at stuff. The main reason I switched him was his reaction to high protein feed, but the change he had after switching was amazing. I believe Geronabean also had success with switching to this feed with a horse. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Southtxponygirl - 2014-10-16 4:59 PM GLP - 2014-10-16 4:56 PM Can EPM cause a horse to kick with no provocation? I have had no experience with EPM, thankfully. I really dont think so, the horses that I knew that had EPM could hardley move fast enought to kick and run off. My mare sure didnt have EPM she was just a mean bit**,lol..
EPM has no absolutes. It can absolutely show in hundreds of different ways. We recently bought a very nice cutting trained three year old super cheap because he was waspy to the point of dangerous on the ground. Fantastic to ride and work cattle like a dream.....but, very unpredictable on the ground. I brought him home and did a Power Pac and then decided to try a round of ReBalance on him just to see if he would gain a little weight. He didn't look or travel like the EPM horses that we have seen, but five days into the treatment his mind had just melted and he is the sweetest little horse to be around. No more snorty, spooky, untrusting colt. You can go out to his pasture and catch him, pick up all of his feet, and even lift his tail straight up. Before treatment he acted like he might not even be halter broke and you couldn't get near his tail. |
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Location: MD | You know the answer, it might not be the answer you want, but you sound like you know it. give him a really special few weeks until a vet can come out and do it and bury him on your property. It's obvious you care about yourself and the well being of others to consciously let him leave your property knowing what he's capable of. The world needs more RocketPilots!
Edited by Crowned Image 2014-10-17 9:55 AM
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Vegas By Storm - 2014-10-16 3:50 PM Whiteboy - 2014-10-16 2:08 PM It sounds like you have put the time into him. If I couldn't find a treatable pain related problem, I would put him down. No animal is worth getting someone hurt or killed. agree
Agree agree. I am kind of in the same situation but ours is an EPM that we have treated with no improvement and he is unrideable for safety reasons. |
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| Whiteboy - 2014-10-16 3:08 PM
It sounds like you have put the time into him. If I couldn't find a treatable pain related problem, I would put him down. No animal is worth getting someone hurt or killed.
I agree with this only after you have tried fluphanize or reserpine....just like ppl horses can have psychotic conditions too.
Also, you may want to remove ALL corn from his diet too. A friend had a PSSM horse that would flip over and pull back and act crazy and it was because his muscles would hurt and he would freak out. Diet change and meds he became a totally different hose.
The poster that said EPM might be the cause may be onto something. We had one in for training that had always been a witch to be around on the ground but was never off. Had a mystery lameness the owner has trying everything on and one vet randomly pulled an EPM tier. They treated for EPM and the mare has a completely difference personality.
If may help "even him out" and if it didn't help then I would put him down. You've given him every change in the world it sounds like and a horse like him would get badly mistreated.
I have to think about cost and can't keep every horse. Prayers with your decision. 
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | With the exception of the spooking, I think I have his twin. He's 10 and has been hauled everywhere, won a one man sorting jackpot for me and has Extreme Cowboy Race and Ranch points, and I've even roped and doctored a calf at a ranch clinic off of him with no trouble. I give lessons on this same horse in the pen. Two weeks ago, he gave me the worst buck fit ever at a show and demolished the trail pattern the first go. Srcond go was better but the last few obstacles he did like a pro. Then a little while later he had a bucking fit at the trailer. He carries on whether he's worked or not, if he's worked it just not as bad. When he's good, there's no better. When he's bad there's no worse. He tries you on the ground until you whip his hiney and then he quits so I dont feel like its a real pain issue except he's a pain in my hiney! Have had several folks tell me to send him down the road amd I did lease him out for a while and the only reason he came back was because the teenager didnt have as much time as he thought he was going to have. He'll stay right where he's at because I know aside from a bunch of ropers he'd wind up in a bad place. But I know him, know what to expect and I think in the long run it makes me a better horseman. But, not everyone is up for a challenge like that! I do think that addressing pain nd good training can cure the majority of issues out there but I think with those few that will only take you so far and then you just have to decide to deal with it or not. A bullet is far kinder than a lot of roads out there but if you could find someone able and willing to give him a shot that would be best. Maybe you could send a video to Chris Cox or <> Parelli. Might be an option. |
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