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| Let me know if you want to get rid of him! No advice besides get away from the pattern unless you are walking! |
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Location: Iowa | see if your vet will give you a script for chlorpromazine. Use it on him to take him into the arena, but don't run a pattern. Just walk out into the pattern and stop, get off and let out the cinch. Walk away with him. Do any circles and work outside the arena. The chlorpromazine takes away the anxiety. I would still get another vet check done on him and check out your saddle with a person who is knowledgeable in fit. |
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| kramerica - 2014-10-16 8:50 PM
I am not getting this straight. You have only had him for almost 3 weeks yet you talk about all the stuff you do to leg him up but then say he only gets on the hot walker. Huh? You just bought him a few weeks ago and he just freaked on you WHILE you were showing him to someone to buy?? Double huh? 
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Location: Somewhere Over The Rainbow | GLP - 2014-10-16 5:45 PM
Somehow you need to make the alley way a good place to be for him. I used to take my horse in the alley and just stand there during drags and fed him a few cookies and have even gotten off and loosened my cinch in the alleyway, much like I have seen ropers do to their horses in the roping box. I have also worked them away from the arena then walked up and down the alley to catch their breath.
I rope and the box is our horse's 'happy place' . They get worked in the pasture , the arena , etc but as long as there're in the box they get to rest . We also get off , unboot , loosen the cinch , etc. in the box . Lots of just walking in and out of the alley can help too . Walk in and don't even acknowledge the barrels , walk out , and repeat until he's calm . |
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| TurnandBurn (: - 2014-10-16 9:08 PM
GLP - 2014-10-16 5:45 PM
Somehow you need to make the alley way a good place to be for him. I used to take my horse in the alley and just stand there during drags and fed him a few cookies and have even gotten off and loosened my cinch in the alleyway, much like I have seen ropers do to their horses in the roping box. I have also worked them away from the arena then walked up and down the alley to catch their breath.
I rope and the box is our horse's 'happy place' . They get worked in the pasture , the arena , etc but as long as there're in the box they get to rest . We also get off , unboot , loosen the cinch , etc. in the box . Lots of just walking in and out of the alley can help too . Walk in and don't even acknowledge the barrels , walk out , and repeat until he's calm .
Plus since you just got him, he doesn't know you. I give mine time to settle in. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | This is totally from my experience but sometimes horses just don't like to barrel race.......even with turnout pasture time trail rides never work on the pattern etc all the above they just go sour and all the vets, adjustments etc can't fix them.....I wonder if it's just the stress of competition.....oh and did i mention checked for uclers.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CJE - 2014-10-16 9:42 PM This is totally from my experience but sometimes horses just don't like to barrel race.......even with turnout pasture time trail rides never work on the pattern etc all the above they just go sour and all the vets, adjustments etc can't fix them.....I wonder if it's just the stress of competition.....oh and did i mention checked for uclers.
Been there done that got a couple T shirts.
I have one that is bred to run barrels, but he hates them so hes in the back pasture with my retired gelding and broodmare and he is happy just being out there. Hes not in the same shape that he used to be when I had him up front when he was on feed, hes not thin but in pasture shape I guess you would call it,  |
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Location: Florida.. | horse was FINE ... until she bought him 2 -3 weeks ago and now acts blown up... something must be the riding or he hasnt settled in .. id not be drugging yet.. try to figure out why.. let him settle in.. try to get to know each other.. an styles.. |
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Location: Texas | I am always blown away by the statement I never work them on barrels?! Seriously this is why horses get "Issues"! Hot horses need structure and routine. They don't need pasture ridden! ?? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | If I'm reading correctly....the only time the horse goes to the arena is to make a run. Then you wonder why he has alley issues? HELLOOOOOOOOO!! |
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| Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2014-10-16 5:10 PM
i bought a gelding with a alley issue. super nice gelding, runs 1d, fancy broke. will run in anything and run the same thing every time. but his alley way problem is bad… and it is getting worse. He will walk in the arena, lope circles, stop back, etc no problem but once you ask him to go for a run its all hell breaks loose. well today it got really bad. he decided to run back to trailer, and rear up and we almost caught the end of my flat bed trailer. It is getting so scary i don't know what to do. he isn't hurting, doesn't need chiro. i do feed a 13% protein !2% fat feed. i have NO GRASS so i HAVE to feed a feed with high fat. i keep him legged up (hot walker) and thats it. no tuning no nothing but i don't know what to do. please someone give me some kind of idea?? i have thought about just selling him but don't know where to price him at with his problem? but like i said he is a 1D horse if you can get him in the alley. please someone help. any supplements, etc? some said resurpen in the muscle every 28 days?? HELP!!
This is how my bleeder acted prior to figuring out what was going on with him
Treated him with antibiotics gave him 3 months off and then pulled him up and scoped him and made sure he was clear of infection
Legged him back up - he is still a little hot but goes right in
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| If you decide to move him let me know. I love these types of horses. |
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| I would have a vet who knew what they were looking for scope his throat. One of my vets who worked on the track said that flap surgery can alleviate a lot of anxiety in barrel horses who might not be able to breathe the entire run leading to panic and alley issues. I had a horse he did the tie back on and it did seem to lessen his anxiety and improved his times by more than a second. To clarify, my horse was nothing like the one described here. If that was the problem, he would need breezed away from the barrels to let him know that running didn't equal no air. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | mollibtexan - 2014-10-18 6:09 AM I am always blown away by the statement I never work them on barrels?! Seriously this is why horses get "Issues"! Hot horses need structure and routine. They don't need pasture ridden! ?? this blew me away......my horses never see the arena at home (unless they are just getting started) and when i go to a jackpot i do not take my horses in the arena, and i have NEVER had a blown up or hot nasty horse, my horses know that when we are goin in the arena its to work not piss around loping mindless circle after circle and to get picked on constantly(not saying this is the case here but i see it all the time) i ride out in the pasture every ride from my 2 yr old to my 15 yr olds.......thats just my 2 cents
as to my opinion on the op's horse...ULCERS, would be my first check
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| Barrelhorsehelp1 - 2014-10-16 6:33 PM
no no no.. lol i never work him at home. i only put him on the hot walker at home to keep him legged up. and when i want to go run somewhere i take him. i never exhib, i warm up away from the arena. i keep him as calm as possible.
you should exhib and put him in the alley way, let him set there, show him its not a bad place to be. When they drag go and stand in the alley way. |
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| How in the world do you know anything about your horse? You've had him 2-3 weeks, you don't ride him and then expect him to function at a race. I don't feel like a walker is going to really keep your horse in running shape. Racehorses might go on a walker, but they certainly train on the track as well. It takes some people 6 months to a year to get "with" a horse, and that's riding them all the time. Maybe they don't practice barrels all the time, but you don't have to! But they are in tune with their horse because they've gotten to know them by spending time with them!
Get yourself out there, spend the time and effort to get to know your horse, and know how he reacts to your actions, as well as learn his quirks! Same reason people can't ride a horse that's been at the trainers for months...they don't "know" the horse and their actions are different than their trainers! |
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Location: Keeping up with the numbers! | Contact the buyers you purchased from. Ask them about the situation. Make sure you are on the same feeding regimen. Stop putting this horse on the hot walker and ride the horse. I agree with the above posters this could be ulcers. Why are you showing a horse you just purchased 2-3 weeks ago? Just curious. |
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| Whats wrong with showing a horse you bought 2-3 weeks ago? If its a finished 1-2D horse then shouldnt be a problem. If I bought a 1D horse, tried the horse, I would expect to be able to enter them same day as purchase if necessary. My guess is the horse may have been drugged DURING the sales process, now has worn off. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2014-10-17 12:24 PM
Whats wrong with showing a horse you bought 2-3 weeks ago? If its a finished 1-2D horse then shouldnt be a problem. If I bought a 1D horse, tried the horse, I would expect to be able to enter them same day as purchase if necessary. My guess is the horse may have been drugged DURING the sales process, now has worn off.
Why is it that the horse is always DRUGGED in these situations? I have taken several blown up 1-D horses from people who couldn't ride to the horses style and within a short time the horse has gate issues. From my experience, 95% of the time the horse is having gate issues because of the rider. Some people are not able to understand what each horse needs or doesn't need; the rider has no feel for soundness or anxiety issues and just keeps pounding away doing the same thing that the horse doesn't like. The OP states this horse has a history of gate issues- I would imagine its the riding style that is setting him off not that he was drugged by the previous owner. |
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| Does your horse have access to ANY forage? I agree with others, it could quite possibly/most likely be ulcers. If he is stressed, has nothing to keep his gut moving (forage), and is only eating a highly concentrated feed.. That could easily turn a "slight" gate issue into a huge one because he is HURTING. Also, a far as the feed possibly making him hot: neither protein or fat produce "hot" behavior. Starch makes horses hot. Check the level of starch in your feed. High fat+low starch= happy, calm horses. I hope you get everything worked out! |
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