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| MS2011 - 2014-10-28 12:06 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-10-28 10:59 AM I guess your vet does things differently then any of the vets I have ever been to. I have always had my horses lead shank in my hand, and been within reach during assessments. I am not understanding why the vet tech had your horse and not you. I would also repeat the X-rays in a weeks time as blood in the joint may not show on the initial xray. Also if the horse is unable to compete, you will need to decide how far you want to pursue. Suing a vet, can cause you to be black balled therefore you may find it difficult to find a vet to assess and treat your animals. If the vet is a good vet and cares about his clients (the horse not you), he will do everything necessary to get that horse sound and competing again. That's not how the equine clinics here have worked in the last 5-6 years... the 3 I go to all have a vet tech come take your horse so that you can stand by the vet to talk what they're seeing. Kinda hard to watch when you're the one holding....
Agreed with the vets and techs taking control of your horse...that's how it's done around here as well....they almost seem to require it....I assume liability issues...not really sure. |
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| loveyatx - 2014-10-28 1:27 PM Of course the vet is responsible, but you're going to have to hire a lawyer to get them to accept responsibility and good luck with that. The lawyer is going to have to find another health care provider to testify against them that the way they did it was wrong, and they just won't testify against each other. Been there done that, only the injury mine had lead to him having to be put down at a very prestigious vet practice. And of course,..... they were sorry.
Not necessarily going to have to hire an attorney. I've known two vets to take on responsibility with a huge apology to go along with it...no attorneys or threat of in either case. One used their malpractice insurance...the other chose to pay out of his pocket the value of the horse, whether he even let his insurance know about it...who knows. There is such a thing as some people still own up to their responsibilities without it having to get so ugly...thank goodness! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Same here as soon as you are stoping to unload your horses a Vet tech is waiting to help unload and to take your horse, I dont mind it at all gives me freedom to watch what is going on and to beable to talk to my vet while hes doing some checking. And when its time to load up the Vet Techs are helping with that.
To me the Vet tech is there and knows what the Vet is wanting and I dont mine the Vet Tech doing all the work during a lameness check..
And I would think its the clinic's place to pay for what happen to your horse since it was the Vet tech that was handling your horse. |
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Location: The edge of no where | cheryl makofka - 2014-10-28 11:11 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-28 11:06 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-10-28 10:59 AM I guess your vet does things differently then any of the vets I have ever been to. I have always had my horses lead shank in my hand, and been within reach during assessments. I am not understanding why the vet tech had your horse and not you. I would also repeat the X-rays in a weeks time as blood in the joint may not show on the initial xray. Also if the horse is unable to compete, you will need to decide how far you want to pursue. Suing a vet, can cause you to be black balled therefore you may find it difficult to find a vet to assess and treat your animals. If the vet is a good vet and cares about his clients (the horse not you), he will do everything necessary to get that horse sound and competing again. That's not how the equine clinics here have worked in the last 5-6 years... the 3 I go to all have a vet tech come take your horse so that you can stand by the vet to talk what they're seeing. Kinda hard to watch when you're the one holding.... Thanks. The vets I deal with review everything with me while my horse is waking from the sedation
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| MS2011 - 2014-10-28 1:34 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-10-28 11:11 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-28 11:06 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-10-28 10:59 AM I guess your vet does things differently then any of the vets I have ever been to. I have always had my horses lead shank in my hand, and been within reach during assessments. I am not understanding why the vet tech had your horse and not you. I would also repeat the X-rays in a weeks time as blood in the joint may not show on the initial xray. Also if the horse is unable to compete, you will need to decide how far you want to pursue. Suing a vet, can cause you to be black balled therefore you may find it difficult to find a vet to assess and treat your animals. If the vet is a good vet and cares about his clients (the horse not you), he will do everything necessary to get that horse sound and competing again. That's not how the equine clinics here have worked in the last 5-6 years... the 3 I go to all have a vet tech come take your horse so that you can stand by the vet to talk what they're seeing. Kinda hard to watch when you're the one holding.... Thanks. The vets I deal with review everything with me while my horse is waking from the sedation We will discuss everything while the horse is moving or walk around and he'll point out what he's looking at. Much much prefer it to having to hold/jog my own horse. The good equine sports med clinics are always busy... much more time effienct to check the horse and talk to the owner at the same time.
Interesting,
I always sedate for xray, ultrasound, teeth.
If I need to block my vets will let the horse sit for 5-15 min prior assessing prior. I also have this time to ask the vet questions. I guess I am lucky the vets I go to still make the time.
So I ask when does your vet speak about informed consent for any assessment, and procedure about the pros/cons and risks. And when are all the options given to you on course of treatment? |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | im with cheryl on this (must be location..lol) i hold my own horse..and i have never sedated for x-rays, ultrasound, freeze branding or even injections..................
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Location: Sperry, OK | mruggles - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM im with cheryl on this (must be location..lol) i hold my own horse..and i have never sedated for x-rays, ultrasound, freeze branding or even injections..................
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Vet's here have the technicians take the horse from the owner.. as even though that horse belongs to you, if you get hurt by your own horse at the clinic, the clinic is responsible for your injuries. They try to alleviate the issue by not having you in control of your horse (this goes for small animal vets as well.. they restrain your dogs/cats so the owner doesn't get bit, etc.). |
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| ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-28 1:56 PM mruggles - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM im with cheryl on this (must be location..lol) i hold my own horse..and i have never sedated for x-rays, ultrasound, freeze branding or even injections..................
m Vet's here have the technicians take the horse from the owner.. as even though that horse belongs to you, if you get hurt by your own horse at the clinic, the clinic is responsible for your injuries. They try to alleviate the issue by not having you in control of your horse (this goes for small animal vets as well.. they restrain your dogs/cats so the owner doesn't get bit, etc.).
Ditto, I am up on the platform with vet while tech works horse in round pen and beside vet while he flexes so I can watch horse trot off with tech. I have been gong to same vet for years so we have a great relationship and I will hold the horse when I need to but I want to be able to see my horse move. |
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Location: Red Raiderland | mruggles - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM im with cheryl on this (must be location..lol) i hold my own horse..and i have never sedated for x-rays, ultrasound, freeze branding or even injections..................
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Yowza! It must be a location(Canada, ay?) thing because I have never had any vet not sedate before injecting. I have an old broodie that FIRES off every time in the stocks even when sedated but I couldn't imagine them trying to inject her when not sedated she becomes the the devil incarnate! We do our own freeze branding and just twitch them for that and x-rays no sedation needed either. |
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Location: sunny california | Kaycee - 2014-10-28 5:30 PM mruggles - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM im with cheryl on this (must be location..lol) i hold my own horse..and i have never sedated for x-rays, ultrasound, freeze branding or even injections..................
m Yowza! It must be a location(Canada, ay?) thing because I have never had any vet not sedate before injecting. I have an old broodie that FIRES off every time in the stocks even when sedated but I couldn't imagine them trying to inject her when not sedated she becomes the the devil incarnate! We do our own freeze branding and just twitch them for that and x-rays no sedation needed either.
a little off topic but funny
I got a gelding that while under sedation will stand so still while the vet is in the joint but when the tech tries to clean his sheath will try to kick her head off
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Location: Canada | kwanatha - 2014-10-28 7:35 PM
a little off topic but funny
I got a gelding that while under sedation will stand so still while the vet is in the joint but when the tech tries to clean his sheath will try to kick her head off
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Location: midwest mama | RunNitroRun - 2014-10-28 7:14 PM
Is there an update on how the horse is doing today?
Here's an update on my horse that got hurt at the vet clinic yesterday:
I took him back today and when we unwrapped his knee there was no swelling or tenderness. My vet did a full lameness exam on him, including having him move straight and in large and small circles both ways and he is moving very sound. His urine, however, has been a darker color which can indicate muscle trauma. I will definitely keep an eye on that.
My vet gave me a full apology and told me that he has now changed his policy so that no vet tech will ever handle a horse on the weight scale or ANY slippery area (cement, etc.) without someone else (vet, vet assistant, owner) helping to handle and/or steady the horse. He also took care of the expenses of the clean up, wrap, exam of the knee. He is going to do a recheck on my horse in one week and at that time if anything is suspicious he will take care of it.
Its seems that so far my vet is doing what he can to make it right, however, I want to be assured that there are no other problems. Also, if something comes up I want to know that he will take care of everything. Next week when my horse goes back for a recheck I will make this clear to him so there are no gray areas.
I am hoping that my horse is just fine and we don't have to go any further. Believe me, if I have to I will. This horse means the world to me and it will break my heart if he does end up having a problem. This situation is a huge eye opener for me and I WILL NOT allow a tech to handle my horse without my supervision. Period.
Thanks to everyone for your concern for my horse. Continued prayers for him will be greatly appreciated.
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| loveyatx - 2014-10-28 12:27 PM
Of course the vet is responsible, but you're going to have to hire a lawyer to get them to accept responsibility and good luck with that. The lawyer is going to have to find another health care provider to testify against them that the way they did it was wrong, and they just won't testify against each other. Been there done that, only the injury mine had lead to him having to be put down at a very prestigious vet practice. And of course,..... they were sorry.
Not true at all in our case. The vet in our case was dehorning a show heifer. He has a hydraulic chute and squeezed her just enough that she died. He was EXTREMELY upset and apologetic, so much so I found myself consoling him and my teenage son. Within a week we were paid for the heifer and to this day if I have a large bill if he works it up, I get a discount. Of course I request one of the other vets for big stuff, but the point is we never had to even think about getting a lawyer and were paid in a timely manner. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 12:56 PM mruggles - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM im with cheryl on this (must be location..lol) i hold my own horse..and i have never sedated for x-rays, ultrasound, freeze branding or even injections..................
m Vet's here have the technicians take the horse from the owner.. as even though that horse belongs to you, if you get hurt by your own horse at the clinic, the clinic is responsible for your injuries. They try to alleviate the issue by not having you in control of your horse (this goes for small animal vets as well.. they restrain your dogs/cats so the owner doesn't get bit, etc.).
i hold my own dogs as well...lol ...and bo(my min pin) turns in to a raving lunatic at the vet....
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Kaycee - 2014-10-29 6:30 PM mruggles - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM im with cheryl on this (must be location..lol) i hold my own horse..and i have never sedated for x-rays, ultrasound, freeze branding or even injections..................
m Yowza! It must be a location(Canada, ay?) thing because I have never had any vet not sedate before injecting. I have an old broodie that FIRES off every time in the stocks even when sedated but I couldn't imagine them trying to inject her when not sedated she becomes the the devil incarnate! We do our own freeze branding and just twitch them for that and x-rays no sedation needed either.
never put them in the stocks to inject..lol...i freeze brand at home and i dont even twitch....
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| Kaycee - 2014-10-28 7:30 PM
mruggles - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM im with cheryl on this (must be location..lol) i hold my own horse..and i have never sedated for x-rays, ultrasound, freeze branding or even injections..................
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Yowza! It must be a location(Canada, ay?) thing because I have never had any vet not sedate before injecting. I have an old broodie that FIRES off every time in the stocks even when sedated but I couldn't imagine them trying to inject her when not sedated she becomes the the devil incarnate! We do our own freeze branding and just twitch them for that and x-rays no sedation needed either.
Same here! I could not IMAGINE trying to inject one without sedation....that seems like a wreck waiting to happen. My vet sedates for x-rays as well. Time is valuable for both of us, and I'd much rather get x-rays over and done with quickly instead of having to re-take them multiple times due to an antsy horse.
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| RunNitroRun - 2014-10-28 7:48 PM
kwanatha - 2014-10-28 7:35 PM
a little off topic but funny
I got a gelding that while under sedation will stand so still while the vet is in the joint but when the tech tries to clean his sheath will try to kick her head off
Tell her to warm up her hands next time sorry couldn't resist!
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | k.maddocks24 - 2014-10-30 7:59 AM Kaycee - 2014-10-28 7:30 PM mruggles - 2014-10-28 1:49 PM im with cheryl on this (must be location..lol) i hold my own horse..and i have never sedated for x-rays, ultrasound, freeze branding or even injections..................
m Yowza! It must be a location(Canada, ay?) thing because I have never had any vet not sedate before injecting. I have an old broodie that FIRES off every time in the stocks even when sedated but I couldn't imagine them trying to inject her when not sedated she becomes the the devil incarnate! We do our own freeze branding and just twitch them for that and x-rays no sedation needed either. Same here! I could not IMAGINE trying to inject one without sedation....that seems like a wreck waiting to happen. My vet sedates for x-rays as well. Time is valuable for both of us, and I'd much rather get x-rays over and done with quickly instead of having to re-take them multiple times due to an antsy horse. OP - glad your vet is stepping up and taking responsibility, and prayers for your horse!
really guys i have never had a problem...and they stand stock still for x-rays and the injections hes so good at them the horses dont even twitch.....and i have had multiple horses to this vet.....
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