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Location: Texas | I have never heard of banamine having antihistamine properties. I just checked my veterinary pharmacology book because I'm in pharmacology right now, and it says nothing about that.
OP- best bet would be to ask your vet. |
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| casualdust07 - 2014-10-29 1:08 PM
I have never heard of banamine having antihistamine properties. I just checked my veterinary pharmacology book because I'm in pharmacology right now, and it says nothing about that.
OP- best bet would be to ask your vet.
It has to do with the cell mediated immune response, I don't have time to look it up but it is how banamine interferes with the inflammatory process some of the same pathways are blocked in the antihistamine pathway. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | DMG is a good option for allergy related heaves. |
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 Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | He hasn't been back to the vet since he choked. I literally had him in their office within an hour & a half of when he choked. It was the second time he's choked and the first time he definitely wound up with aspiration pneumonia but there was a lot more time between the choke & when we got it resolved. This time, I knew what was happening and could act quicker. She really didn't think he had aspirated much if at all, and had me give him antibiotics for the rest of the week. I think he got Uniprim Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and then I ran out so I gave him a shot of Excede Thursday since I still had it on hand and the vet clinic is 35 miles away. Vet and I talked on the phone Thursday before I did that and she said after that shot I could call it good on antibiotics and return him to work the following week.
I haven't been too aggressive with working him this week because of my work schedule but last night was disappointing. I'll give the vets a call after work today and see if they've got any suggestions for him. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Going thru this exact same thing with my gelding diagnosed with IAD.
Kicking myself for not doing a bal wash and venipulmin to begin with :( first started as slight cough,
yellow discharge,called vet told me to put him on dex and tucoprim. After a week it didn't quite clear up so
went to vet again to scope and do blood work showed
Infection, and scope showed mucus in the trac,he never developed fever,resp rate was elevated to upper 30's and had a yellow discharge,
More dex, and gentafuse ,he is much better now And would only let out one single cough during a work out after treatment and told sto start working him. I have kept his grass down and as weed free as possible, no stalling, no hay, the dust hasn't been to my advantage.:/ and He has continued to have minor episodes, went to local vet pulled more blood it was perfect!!! Still has pale discharge but not every day, never from both nostrils at one time,just one or the other. no fever, rep rate 15-20.but no coughing!! going back to vet and bite the billet do the bal wash to know for sure if it's allergen,bacterial or viral:( and get some vinipulmin to help him out will I get a better handle on his enviorment.
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Location: Florida.. | cheryl makofka - 2014-10-29 12:27 PM How did the vet clear the horse to go back to work? Did he scope the lungs? Listen to them? Since the horse is a choke I question aspiration pneumonia, if he was mine I would be getting a bronchoscopy performed to rule this out, plus a CBC to ensure wcb is normal, if all this checked out my vet generally recommends a 14 day tx program of ventipulmin and banamine (the anti inflammatory as he is opposed to dex)
AGREE!
once choke happened id be very concerned if he is having breathing issues exercising.. and wheezy.. and his age. bibs had choke.. was aspirated to lungs and did same thing in the beginning.. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | I would bring him back to the vet and possible get a scope and a bal wash. make sure he doesn't have a bacterial infection
Due to possible asperation when he choked, and also to be sure he doesn't have a structure
From the food ball being lodged and causing damage to the espohpgus. Monitor temp and resp rate. |
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Location: MS | Air power by Finish Line works great for allergies.
I have one that bleeds due to allergies. I'm thinking about renting a Transpirator by Centurion (centurionsystems.com)
It's supposed to break up any mucus in their lungs and kill bacteria.
Has anyone used one of these?
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Location: mi | I would talk to your vet about Dex. It is cheap and it works. My now retired mare has been on it for heaves flair ups for 10 years now. Just in the last year have I had to up her to 5cc every other day. she is now in her 20's while it is not necessarily good for them since he is already 21 and you are just looking to get him better for a few more runs it would be something I would talk to my vet about for sure. prior to this last year my mare would go through a 100cc bottle ($20) about every 8-10 months.
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Location: Texas | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-10-29 11:13 AM
Maybe allergy test him and see what he is actually allergic to and treat accordingly.
I would definitely get him allergy tested and started on allergy shots. It isn't that expensive and it has made a HUGE difference in my horse. Talk to your vet about it. I use BioLabs.
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | I'm waiting on a call from my vet to figure out what we're going to do. In the meantime, I'm just letting him hang out in the pasture.
Update: My regular/original/older vet called this evening to talk about Joker. He said we could scope & do other tests to see exactly what's going on, but odds are I'll have to give ventipulmin every day so Joker can breathe well enough to exercise at home. At the price of it plus his daily supplements, Flair strips, and yearly hock injections, I just don't think I can justify that additional expense when I've got three others to run. If I end up going to the vet in the next few weeks, I may take him too just to see what we can find in case there is some "miracle cure." Doc acted like it was unrealistic to expect him to make Joker 10 years younger, able to breathe better and a half second faster. LOL.
Edited by rodeowithjoker 2014-10-30 7:27 PM
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I'm a Cry Baby
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Location: n.c. | And it may just be time to retire him. With allergies/heaves it will just get worse as they get older. Good luck with whatever you decide, but retirement would be first in my mind. |
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Am I really the Weirdo?
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Location: Kansas | runningk - 2014-10-30 8:17 PM And it may just be time to retire him. With allergies/heaves it will just get worse as they get older. Good luck with whatever you decide, but retirement would be first in my mind.
That's what I keep coming back to. I hate it because running barrels is what Joker loves to do but he doesn't deserve to be asked to run when he can't breathe. Hopefully he'll decide he can behave for kids to ride him because I'm giving riding lessons once a week and could use another beginner horse. If not, I'll just check cows on him and go trail riding more often so I can enjoy him while he's still around. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | I use Animal Element Detox and Immune for allergy issues. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I prefer the use of repiratory drugs via the respiratory tract. I've just begun using essential oils this way and thus far I'm impressed.
I rented the Transpirator about 10 years ago. I currently use the BIGDWEB.com system. I have a friend that has the flexineb and although Iv'e only used it once I was impressed. So, now I'm hoping to get one.
Use the Equisilver to treat your lung issues and I use the Neb30 to mix any meds with.
Unfortunatly, we use the nebulizer a lot due to our nasty dusty conditions, aka drought. |
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