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Location: PNW | Lol I had a similar experience to the girl in your story. I had a SOLID 3D gelding, nothing blazing fast, but broke broke and ran a nice, honest, solid pattern. At a race one time somebody made a comment to me about what a nice style he had and asked if he was Biankus bred - I said no, he's pleasure and halter lines. As soon as I said that, the lady's posture and attitude totally changed. It's not like we were running holes in the wind by any means, but he was a nice horse for sure - and a bang up barrel horse considering what his bloodlines were (or weren't?). |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Someone needs to answer the person thats asking what bloodlines the horse is that's being ran and answer with The lines that you would love to have and just leave it at that.  |
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Location: In the land of peanuts and cotton | I couldn't care less what's on a horses papers. If I like it and it fits my style then I get it regardless of what a peice of paper says. I've bough one horse by only looking at papers. It's was a daughter of Streakin Six crossed with a Coup De Kas daughter. She stayed at 2 different trainers for almost 2 years and I put thousands of dollars into her trying to make a barrel horse out of her. Now, she's the most expensive trail horse you will find. A horse can't read his/her papers. A horse with a lot of heart and ability are worth more than one with a fancy set of papers. |
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| TessBelle - 2014-11-02 10:28 PM
I couldn't care less what's on a horses papers. If I like it and it fits my style then I get it regardless of what a peice of paper says. I've bough one horse by only looking at papers. It's was a daughter of Streakin Six crossed with a Coup De Kas daughter. She stayed at 2 different trainers for almost 2 years and I put thousands of dollars into her trying to make a barrel horse out of her. Now, she's the most expensive trail horse you will find. A horse can't read his/her papers. A horse with a lot of heart and ability are worth more than one with a fancy set of papers.
Yup. 
And to Cheryl about the number of "culled" horses...I also wonder how many were culled due to being immature for their age/ fragile minded and what they became with time to mature? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | You know, there are people out there that would ride a mule in a barrel race if that was all they had.....You make the best with what you've got. |
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| It is meant to be fun. Scamper wasn't the top lines of his day and look at what he did. I think if you get along with the horse and you are having fun who cares. There are bloodline snobs in every arena out there. |
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Location: Midwest | Most local folks by me don't fancy schmancy bred horses, and they can still take home some money
Honestly, everyone has lines they like and lines they hate. I'm not a cowbred fan and love the big racy bred horses- nothing against the cowbreds, because many are kick but horses! It's just a personal preference. Don't let the snobby b's get to you... they are everywhere, and if you want to compete in ANY sport, you just need to learn to ignore them. Go out and have some fun! It's a hobby for most, and if it's not fun.... why do it?
Here's my horse- he's not fancy bred (actually bred for HUS) but he gets the job done and is a solid 3D horse running against the best of my area. He's so solid, easy to haul, and honest. I can run him and just let him do his job. I know many that would not touch him because he has Impressive way back, but he's N/N and sweet as can be. He will be with me to the end. He's earned it.
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-11-03 7:43 AM
Most local folks by me don't fancy schmancy bred horses, and they can still take home some money
Honestly, everyone has lines they like and lines they hate. I'm not a cowbred fan and love the big racy bred horses- nothing against the cowbreds, because many are kick but horses! It's just a personal preference. Don't let the snobby b's get to you... they are everywhere, and if you want to compete in ANY sport, you just need to learn to ignore them. Go out and have some fun! It's a hobby for most, and if it's not fun.... why do it?
Here's my horse- he's not fancy bred (actually bred for HUS) but he gets the job done and is a solid 3D horse running against the best of my area. He's so solid, easy to haul, and honest. I can run him and just let him do his job. I know many that would not touch him because he has Impressive way back, but he's N/N and sweet as can be. He will be with me to the end. He's earned it. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/harbor+moonÂ
Just using Allison's horse as an example, looking at this pedigree, some people would steer clear of this horse due to impressive.
With impressive in the pedigree this would be a flag for me to have the horse tested for hypp if the horse wasn't already tested.
Pedigree also helps inform the person looking of any genetic concerns such as HERDA, HYPP, etc. The 5 panel testing will probably show more lines with genetic weaknesses.
To the op also look up all topics on back yard breeder, pedigree has been discussed at length.
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | FTR, he's N/N |
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Location: OH | As was already stated, when looking at prospects, papers matter, it shows they are bred for a certain discipline and are moe likely to excel there. With that being said, it is still not an absolute.
BUT, once a horse is clocking I could absolutely care less what it is bred like if it is winning and has good conformation to hold up and KEEP winning.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-11-03 9:12 AM
FTR, he's N/NÂ
He, also, never hits a barrel. |
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Location: Washington | Mighty Broke - 2014-11-03 7:16 AM As was already stated, when looking at prospects, papers matter, it shows they are bred for a certain discipline and are moe likely to excel there. With that being said, it is still not an absolute.
BUT, once a horse is clocking I could absolutely care less what it is bred like if it is winning and has good conformation to hold up and KEEP winning.
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| rowdy256 - 2014-11-03 6:42 AM
It is meant to be fun. Scamper wasn't the top lines of his day and look at what he did. I think if you get along with the horse and you are having fun who cares. There are bloodline snobs in every arena out there.
I have always felt scamper was pretty nicly breed.
He was born to be a ranch horse, and he was working for charmaynes parents when they bought him for her.
I personaly feel that a good quality ranch horse can absolutely hold its own in the barrel pen. They have to be tuff, give 110% when they feel only 90% good. Have gas to run down rude cattle, the build to cover alot of ground effortsley and the mind to handle the craziest situations you can't even dream up.
Alot of qualities you want in a barrel horse IMO!
Like i said in another thread though, i really like different horses than most. And look at build and stride and movement a lot, scamper had all that! He was a NICE horse.
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I don't CARE what other people think. (About ANYTHING.) Never have and never will!
This isn't the most fashoinable pedigree out there:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/wonders+cowboy+dan
Didn't stop him from being the AQHA/PRCA Barrel horse of the year this year! Nor did it stop him from helping Kaley Bass earn over $155,000 SO FAR this year. And they are leading the world going into the NFR. You think SHE cares that he doesn't have DTF, FG, FWF, etc... on his papers? I SERIOUSLY doubt it!
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Location: SE KS | I like "fashionable" bloodlines too, but as someone else said, those aren't always affordable!!
My horse does all the things I want to do, we may not be the best at any one of them, but he does Western Pleasure, Reining, Barrels, Poles & Flags at the showdeos & usually places, & not only for me he does them for Youth riders as well!!!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/searles+trick+ernie
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Location: North Dakota | LOL, I think the point everyone is missing here, is that there are Bitches in every walk of life and you can never please hardly anyone anymore! Apparantly it is more fun to be catty and snotty than genuinely nice and polite :)
Edited by LMS 2014-11-03 12:25 PM
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Iwish - 2014-11-02 9:25 PM
You just proved my point... all those studs you mentioned, I (and many others) cant afford to buy direct sons and daughters of theirs, I cant afford to buy a grandson of them that is out of a proven son of theirs (like firewater on the rocks, pc frenchmans hayday, lions share of fame etc.) So im left with the choice of either buying a great great grandson of them out of a stud that is not proven or to go looking for "other" bloodlines. Which then falls into the category of what i mentioned before that so many say, "everything that is "recognizable" is to far back to count, i wouldn't buy it." Which leads me right back to this post.. Obviously a top cutter would have no use for a son of Dash Ta fame. It doesn't matter whether it barrels, cutting, reining etc. not everyone can afford the top bloodlines, so again does that mean that i shouldn't even bother trying since i can only afford a great grandson of them that is out of a un-proven son?
Keep this in mind. Those studs may be out of your price range but there are a lot of nice studs out there that won't be, maybe from completely different lines.
I love pedigrees. I think of them like a puzzle. And I breed so I tend to care. But if I'm going to buy one to perform, and not breed prospects to sell, their performance record matters more than their papers. If I'm going to breed, I'd like both, pedigree and performance. That being said, a thread on here back a while ago asked people whether they were more concerned with the mare's pedigree or her performance for a prospect. Pedigree won the day.
It just depends what your interest is. If you just want a solid horse to haul on the weekend and enjoy, you can do that with lots of different types and lots make solid winners, especially in the lower Ds. But if you are going to breed then you will find that those interested in buying care about pedigree. It's not all about being a 'pedigree snob.' Some of it is just business. |
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Location: the high desert | Thank you everyone, you are all helping me see this in a different light. I always let people get to me, I dont know why, and it always brings me down. In the end, everyone is going to have an opinion (some nice and some just down right ugly) and I just have to learn how to not let their opinions affect me in a negative way. |
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| LMS - 2014-11-03 12:11 PM
LOL, I think the point everyone is missing here, is that there are Bitches in every walk of life and you can never please hardly anyone anymore!  Apparantly it is more fun to be catty and snotty than genuinely nice and polite :)
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Iwish - 2014-11-03 1:50 PM Thank you everyone, you are all helping me see this in a different light. I always let people get to me, I dont know why, and it always brings me down. In the end, everyone is going to have an opinion (some nice and some just down right ugly) and I just have to learn how to not let their opinions affect me in a negative way.
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