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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | winwillows - 2014-11-11 10:07 PM I wish those feed company reps would take a picture of the weaning digestive system and show us where 6 pounds of concentrate is supposed to fit in that immature system. They have a warehouse full of bags that they want to put in your colt. We feed many of the best performance horses in the world, and can't put that much concentrate in them without doing four feedings per day. These are roughage eating animals. Hit protein requirements (15% to 16%) with quality roughage and a balancer, and leave the starch, sugar and fillers in the bag. Most developmental problems are directly feed related, and many don't show up until later years where you don't realize where the problem came from. We never feed a baby over three pounds of total concentrate per day, and spend the money we save on better roughage.
I have to agree. I just hate the thought of a baby having 6# of grain in their belly. I fed my HUS yearling that was huge and was probably a good 1000+ lbs already, what the bag of Ultium Growth said to, he was always in top form, but man it was a lot of grain. I pulled him off that to Ultium when he was 2 1/2 and it was still too much (and that kind made him goofy) so I switched to ADM and he gets 2lbs, actually recently cut him to 1# because he's not doing a thing but hanging out in the corral and he was getting too fat. So my one and only weanling is on 2# of ADM JuniorGLO and looks really good. Mine all get free choice grass hay too. |
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| My 8 month old filly is getting 4 pounds of Strategy divided into two feedings; Seminole Alfa Balancer 12:12; and about 5 to 10 pounds of orchard hay per day. Although she may be starting to look like a "feed 'n lead" halter horse lol
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| I had my hay analyzed and it came back 20% available protein, 1.94% Ca and 0.3% Phosphorus.
they are getting 2# of ADM junior glo AM and PM.
My CA:P ratio is off, what is the best way to balance it? |
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Location: Smack in the middle of WA! | I guess I am the odd one out on this! I grain before and after I wean, omolene 300, for about a month then taper off the grain and go to straight hay. We free feed an orchard grass mix and they get 5 to 10 lbs of alfalfa each day. We also provide free choice Vitalix tubs. I like the way they grow without all the grain in there diet! I put the extra I would spend on grain towards good quality hay! I guess if access to good quality hay is difficult I could see adding a supplement but 5 and 6 lbs of grain just seems like to much. I don't even feed my performance horses that much grain  |
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| I would like to feed renew gold to my weanies with free choice Bermuda and a flake or 2 of alfalfa twice a day. I will cut out grain if they get to fat. I also want to use the lick tubs. |
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | Just watch your protein...too much and you'll run into growth problems...need it around 12 to 14 percent. ..12 being better....i agree with good quality hay is the main thing to concentrate on. ..i feed mine free choice grass hay and a flake of alfalfa morning and night. ...i feed nutrena products for grain the mare and foal one but if they are growing too fast or too hot they can bump down to safechoice original and safe choice special care is like 50 cents more a bag than original but same nutrient percentage with no corn and low nsc if you have a hot one or sensitive one..if you have a harder keeper ultium growth is the bomb...i always feed the grain at the bottom of the range recommended on the bag since they get free choice grass and good quality alfalfa twice a day...vitalix are good too if they have free access to it and hay...if you have fast growers feed em msm...its cheap and most of the old racehorse breeders i know use it as well as my vet recommended as keeps the inflammation away from their joints and keeps epiphysitis away til they are 2 or 3...i feed it to all of mine baby to senior and makes manes n tails grow like crazy too :) and did i say it was cheap lol.. |
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| achildres - 2014-11-11 9:46 PM
For my chunky monkey of a baby, she is getting 1 pound a day of Triple Crown 30% and roughly 1 pound of alfalfa a day along with 1 pound of coastal. She used to eat the TC Growth along with the 30%, but her belly kept on gettin bigger (on a regular worming schedule), so we cut out the Growth.
This nutrition plan was worked out for me by the nutritionist that works for Triple Crown, fine tailored for her! She is just about 7 months old and at a very awkward stage haha, once she hits another growth spurt I will add the Growth back in!
This is what I feed too, mine is coming 2 but has been on this since she was a weanling.
With colder weather coming I thought I would add back in some TC Growth to help her keep condition, but she is starting to get pudgy again, so I guess I will cut the Growth until/unless she starts to lose weight.
It is what I fed her mom during her pregnancy too. She is an easy keeper, and the vet said not to let her gain too much weight during pregnancy. This gave the nutrition without the excess calories. |
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| Feed exactly what your bag says for the appropriate age. Its the only way to ensure they are getting everything they need out of the feed. |
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Location: MI | While I can appreciate that there might be new research that says there is better alternatives to feed youngsters, dont think anyone can deny that many many thousands of horses for centuries have been raised on oats and alfalfa and went on to have productive careers. Also cant deny there has also been many hot house flowers that were overfed, raised in a stall, pushed too soon, and then wonder why they have outrageous vet bills? |
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| I am now feeding my 7 month old filly adm juniorglo . I am liking it . I feed her 5 lbs a day bc she gets free choice grass hay , but it isn't great quality . What do you all think on the juniorglo ? I know it's high protein .. Do you think it's too high or just fine ? |
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| I have mine on about 3lbs of whole oats, a good vit/min supplement and a fat supplement. They are all growing good and no problems. I also feed then a mixed grass/alfalfa 3 or 4 times a day to keep them busy. |
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Location: texas | BBrewster - 2014-12-18 9:46 PM
Just watch your protein...too much and you'll run into growth problems...need it around 12 to 14 percent. ..12 being better....i agree with good quality hay is the main thing to concentrate on. ..i feed mine free choice grass hay and a flake of alfalfa morning and night. ...i feed nutrena products for grain the mare and foal one but if they are growing too fast or too hot they can bump down to safechoice original and safe choice special care is like 50 cents more a bag than original but same nutrient percentage with no corn and low nsc if you have a hot one or sensitive one..if you have a harder keeper ultium growth is the bomb...i always feed the grain at the bottom of the range recommended on the bag since they get free choice grass and good quality alfalfa twice a day...vitalix are good too if they have free access to it and hay...if you have fast growers feed em msm...its cheap and most of the old racehorse breeders i know use it as well as my vet recommended as keeps the inflammation away from their joints and keeps epiphysitis away til they are 2 or 3...i feed it to all of mine baby to senior and makes manes n tails grow like crazy too :) and did i say it was cheap lol..
BBrewster I sent u a pm......
I feed safe choice special care and will be a first timer breeder come spring 2015..... |
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| BBrewster - 2014-12-19 7:46 PM Just watch your protein...too much and you'll run into growth problems...need it around 12 to 14 percent. ..12 being better....i agree with good quality hay is the main thing to concentrate on. ..i feed mine free choice grass hay and a flake of alfalfa morning and night. ...i feed nutrena products for grain the mare and foal one but if they are growing too fast or too hot they can bump down to safechoice original and safe choice special care is like 50 cents more a bag than original but same nutrient percentage with no corn and low nsc if you have a hot one or sensitive one..if you have a harder keeper ultium growth is the bomb...i always feed the grain at the bottom of the range recommended on the bag since they get free choice grass and good quality alfalfa twice a day...vitalix are good too if they have free access to it and hay...if you have fast growers feed em msm...its cheap and most of the old racehorse breeders i know use it as well as my vet recommended as keeps the inflammation away from their joints and keeps epiphysitis away til they are 2 or 3...i feed it to all of mine baby to senior and makes manes n tails grow like crazy too :) and did i say it was cheap lol..
They need about 16% protein... For growth.. As long as you have a higher protein percentage and have your cal phos ratio balanced all your amino acids like lysine you should be fine.. |
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