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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WebMD is a very good reference for patients. |
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| All I know is it's been around forever and a highly reputable vet in Texas is recommending it.
There are a ton on medications and procedures for humans I'd call wallet biopsies but that's another forum discussion.
I was just curious for this that have done it and have experience with it what their thoughts were.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | bris2125 - 2014-11-18 10:05 PM
All I know is it's been around forever and a highly reputable vet in Texas is recommending it.
There are a ton on medications and procedures for humans I'd call wallet biopsies but that's another forum discussion.
I was just curious for this that have done it and have experience with it what their thoughts were.
What's his name? I want to make sure I don't use him. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-11-18 9:12 PM
I'm open to learning, and I would be willing to change my mind, but only if you can provide me with GOOD evidence. Testimonials do not constitute research. Please share your research/evidence.
Let's start with your remarks about "medical oxygen". How does that differ from non-medical oxygen? Oxygen is oxygen.
Atmospheric oxygen is not pure oxygen. It is mixed with other particles. Medical oxygen is clean, pure oxygen.
Yes oxygen is oxygen. Let me be more correct. Dirty air vs oxygen. |
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| http://www.understandingozone.com/docs/Scientific_References_Ozone_...
http://healthychristianliving.com/ozoneaids1.htm
" If there's something that may be very effective and may under sell the average drug company, of course their not going to be very pleased if that gets developed."
The FDA is run by pharmacists, of course they don't want ozone to have a good name! Ive personally done cancer, non sweaters, and EPM in horses. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | AfleetEquine - 2014-11-19 7:06 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-11-18 9:12 PM I'm open to learning, and I would be willing to change my mind, but only if you can provide me with GOOD evidence. Testimonials do not constitute research. Please share your research/evidence. Let's start with your remarks about "medical oxygen". How does that differ from non-medical oxygen? Oxygen is oxygen. Atmospheric oxygen is not pure oxygen. It is mixed with other particles. Medical oxygen is clean, pure oxygen. Yes oxygen is oxygen. Let me be more correct. Dirty air vs oxygen.
Do you realize you are arguing with an M.D. HotbearLVR is a human medical doctor. Just asking. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | And a Scientist lol....just had to throw that in there little buddy :) |
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Location: Sperry, OK | LRQHS - 2014-11-19 8:02 AM And a Scientist lol....just had to throw that in there little buddy :)
Thanks.. I was working under the assumption that being an M.D. went hand in hand with being a scientist... LOL, but we all know what assuming does to you.. haha. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-11-19 8:05 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-19 8:02 AM And a Scientist lol....just had to throw that in there little buddy :) Thanks.. I was working under the assumption that being an M.D. went hand in hand with being a scientist... LOL, but we all know what assuming does to you.. haha.
No, lol, Alison is the Scientist lol. |
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I can always predict when these kinds of discussions arise, invariably there is a switch in focus away from the topic to the FDA, doctors, and pharmacists.
That's usually a last resort when logic and reason titers get dangerously low.
I'm actually a little embarrassed that I even jumped into this discussion. My hope is that maybe someone benefits, avoids quackery, and saves themselves money in the process.
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It love Jesus, but it saddens me to report that "Healthy Christian Living" is not a highly regarded, peer reviewed medical/scientific journal.
Another thing - just because some article says it has "scientific references" doesn't mean they are real references, or references from reputable publications.
As far as I know, Ozone has no legitimate place in the treatment of any illness or condition in humans or animals. In theory one can see where it might be attractive, just like "blood letting" for infections was attractive to practitioners in the 15th century, but there is no good evidence that it works for anything. There has been some debate over whether ozone might be beneficial with vertebral disc disease, but even that is hotly debated, as the evidence supporting it's use is weak, at best.
Bottom line: follow the money. If you can't do that, then just listen for quacking. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | AfleetEquine - 2014-11-19 7:06 AM
HotbearLVR - 2014-11-18 9:12 PM
I'm open to learning, and I would be willing to change my mind, but only if you can provide me with GOOD evidence. Testimonials do not constitute research. Please share your research/evidence.
Let's start with your remarks about "medical oxygen". How does that differ from non-medical oxygen? Oxygen is oxygen.
Atmospheric oxygen is not pure oxygen. It is mixed with other particles. Medical oxygen is clean, pure oxygen.
Yes oxygen is oxygen. Let me be more correct. Dirty air vs oxygen.
You need to learn the difference between oxygen and air. Ask anyone who scuba dives. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | LRQHS - 2014-11-19 8:06 AM ACEINTHEHOLE - 2014-11-19 8:05 AM LRQHS - 2014-11-19 8:02 AM And a Scientist lol....just had to throw that in there little buddy :) Thanks.. I was working under the assumption that being an M.D. went hand in hand with being a scientist... LOL, but we all know what assuming does to you.. haha.
Oh.. LOL.. oops.. See you learn something everyday. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-18 10:43 PM bris2125 - 2014-11-18 10:05 PM All I know is it's been around forever and a highly reputable vet in Texas is recommending it. There are a ton on medications and procedures for humans I'd call wallet biopsies but that's another forum discussion. I was just curious for this that have done it and have experience with it what their thoughts were. What's his name? I want to make sure I don't use him.
I'd like to know his name too. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-19 8:46 AM Bottom line: follow the money. If you can't do that, then just listen for quacking.
Got to love this statement....I wish more people would listen and QUIT promoting "junk science" !!!! |
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Location: Midwest | AfleetEquine - 2014-11-16 4:53 PM I do my own horses IV and bag wounds for other's. I love it. It saved my horse from Lyme's disease, that's why I started doing it. So you perform this service on yourself, your horses, and others' horses?
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-11-19 10:55 AM
AfleetEquine - 2014-11-16 4:53 PM I do my own horses IV and bag wounds for other's. I love it. It saved my horse from Lyme's disease, that's why I started doing it. So you perform this service on yourself, your horses, and others' horses?
I am by law allowed to do my own horses IV and do external for other people.
There are many vets that do have ozone therapy that are very highly recommended, and respected that do use ozone. It's a shame you only want to bash something because you have never experienced it.
I am thankful for someone introducing it to me as it is the only reason my horse is here today. I am not going to get rude and ugly like you are doing. I didn't believe it at first, I had to see it work for my own eyes; but after spending thousands of dollars trying to find out what was wrong with a horse and only got told that's not it and we still don't know, the cost of ozone was NOTHING.
I do know the difference between air and oxygen. Again, excuse me for not being politically correct. |
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| Thank you for your reply since you do have experience with it. I had a horse on his death bed, that 4 different vets couldn't diagnose after spending thousands of dollars. They were trying to schedule the date for me to euthanize him. In a last ditch effort, I went to someone that was a holistic vet, that all the other vets said was a quack. (Ironic the wording bc it's a lot of what I'm hearing here from a doctor and others). Anyhow, that quack saved my horse when they couldn't and in 6 weeks he was back 100%!
I will take holistic and non modern medicine all day long, I watched modern medicine kill my healthy 62 year old father last year. I grew up in the medical industry with dr's and pharmacist and I know how they generally work. But that's neither here or there. Thanks again for stating you EXPERIENCE over just an uneducated opinion.
As for the vet, you would prob be surprised bc some of the best in the industry, including a couple nfr gals, use this clinic and vet often. I have also come to find out that Scamper received a ozone treatment before every run. That wasn't out of Charmaynes mouth, but from a friend that hauled with her. Take it as you wish.
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Location: lone star state | I am with the Doc on this one it is quack science and I have my own testimonies to share but I will spare you.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | AfleetEquine - 2014-11-19 10:43 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-11-19 10:55 AM
AfleetEquine - 2014-11-16 4:53 PM I do my own horses IV and bag wounds for other's. I love it. It saved my horse from Lyme's disease, that's why I started doing it. So you perform this service on yourself, your horses, and others' horses?
I am by law allowed to do my own horses IV and do external for other people.
There are many vets that do have ozone therapy that are very highly recommended, and respected that do use ozone. It's a shame you only want to bash something because you have never experienced it.
I am thankful for someone introducing it to me as it is the only reason my horse is here today. I am not going to get rude and ugly like you are doing. I didn't believe it at first, I had to see it work for my own eyes; but after spending thousands of dollars trying to find out what was wrong with a horse and only got told that's not it and we still don't know, the cost of ozone was NOTHING.
I do know the difference between air and oxygen. Again, excuse me for not being politically correct.
So, do you make any money from the promotion or sale of ozone treatment? |
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