|
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 369
 
Location: Go Sooners!! | They may be cloned but they won't have the same heart.....:) |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 557
Location: Kansas and loving it | Thanks for all of the replies. Any plans for the Frenchman clones? Running or stud? |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1611
| Herbie - 2014-11-19 4:13 PM
There was a Clayton colt that ran at the BFA this past year I think and I know our BB Dash4KJ has a goreous son out of her good Dash Ta Fame mare.
He was Jud's and Janae Massey rode him. Named Scamper to Dat cash he got 7th in the superstakes at OKC. Anyone heard from him since? |
|
| |
|
 Expert
Posts: 2457
| GoGaited - 2014-11-19 4:22 PM
I hope not. I am totally against cloning and the idea of them becoming registered stock disgusts me. Hey, they are not identical and do have traits from the recipient mare, so it's ALL BS.
ummmmm .... Do tell what these traits are that supposedly come from the recip mare? |
|
| |
|
 Not Afraid to Work
Posts: 4717
|  |
|
| |
|
 Thread Killer
Posts: 7545
| GoGaited - 2014-11-19 5:22 PM I hope not. I am totally against cloning and the idea of them becoming registered stock disgusts me. Hey, they are not identical and do have traits from the recipient mare, so it's ALL BS.
*Edited because I don't want to spread misinformation*
Clones are not physically identical because of the way that the genes are expressed. The genetic makeup of two individuals may be identical (genotype), but what you see on the outside will probably be different (phenotype). This is why Scamper and Clayton do not look identicle.
The science behind it all isn't BS (unless you believe that all scientists are commies. Then, I can't help you).
Edited by Just Plain Lucky 2014-11-19 10:16 PM
|
|
| |
|
 Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| total performance - 2014-11-19 3:15 PM
Herbie - 2014-11-19 3:13 PM There was a Clayton colt that ran at the BFA this past year I think and I know our BB Dash4KJ has a goreous son out of her good Dash Ta Fame mare.
Question? Are they able to register these clones now?
The court said yes. AQHA is trying to appeal it. IMO they won't win. |
|
| |
|
  Angel in a Sorrel Coat
Posts: 16030
Location: In a happy place | Whiteboy - 2014-11-19 3:08 PM total performance - 2014-11-19 3:05 PM Hey...Whiteboy? Could you send me that purty thing in your avatar?!!! I think I'm in love! 
He is absolutely gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
|
| |
|
Angel in a Sorrel Coat
Posts: 16030
Location: In a happy place | teeally - 2014-11-19 5:09 PM They may be cloned but they won't have the same heart.....:)
I am not an expert on clones so I am glad to learn that they won't have the same heart.
Very interesting.
 |
|
| |
|
 The Color Specialist
Posts: 7530
Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Just Plain Lucky, what about the MtDNA that IS passed from the egg donor to the clone? |
|
| |
|
 Always Off Topic
Posts: 6382
Location: ND | i won't say that they necessarily have genetic traits from the recip mare but personality development has a big influence from the recip.....that's why you don't want to just grab some recip off the shelf... |
|
| |
|
Thread Killer
Posts: 7545
| RacingQH - 2014-11-19 10:34 PM Just Plain Lucky, what about the MtDNA that IS passed from the egg donor to the clone?
You're right, I hadn't even thought about that. I thought the donor egg was stripped of everything (DNA included) and was just an empty vessel. But now after doing some reading, only the nucleus is removed. It wouldn't work if they took everything.
Interesting. AAnnndd good thing I'm not a scientist.  
Edited by Just Plain Lucky 2014-11-19 10:13 PM
|
|
| |
|
Elite Veteran
Posts: 1034
| Just Plain Lucky - 2014-11-19 10:11 PM
RacingQH - 2014-11-19 10:34 PM Just Plain Lucky, what about the MtDNA that IS passed from the egg donor to the clone? You're right, I hadn't even thought about that. I thought the donor egg was stripped of everything (DNA included) and was just an empty vessel. But now after doing some reading, only the nucleus is removed. It wouldn't work if they took everything.
Interesting. AAnnndd good thing I'm not a scientist.
Mitochondrial DNA does not express. |
|
| |
|
Always Off Topic
Posts: 6382
Location: ND | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-11-19 9:31 PM teeally - 2014-11-19 5:09 PM They may be cloned but they won't have the same heart.....:) I am not an expert on clones so I am glad to learn that they won't have the same heart.
Very interesting.
but someday they could....stem cell and 3D printing technology as well as advances in nanotechnology may make this a reality.........to have an identical heart..... |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 2457
| HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-11-19 10:14 PM
Just Plain Lucky - 2014-11-19 10:11 PM
RacingQH - 2014-11-19 10:34 PM Just Plain Lucky, what about the MtDNA that IS passed from the egg donor to the clone? You're right, I hadn't even thought about that. I thought the donor egg was stripped of everything (DNA included) and was just an empty vessel. But now after doing some reading, only the nucleus is removed. It wouldn't work if they took everything.
Interesting. AAnnndd good thing I'm not a scientist.
Mitochondrial DNA does not express.
Precisely .... ! So the egg "vessel" doesn't matter when you insert the genes of the clone.
I will agree that the attitude of the recip mare will influence the attitude of the colt by her side, HOWEVER, that is NOT a major issue in my book in the whole cloning thing and I don't consider it an "attribute" that would then be passed on to the offspring of the clone. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 2457
| dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 10:19 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2014-11-19 9:31 PM teeally - 2014-11-19 5:09 PM They may be cloned but they won't have the same heart.....:) I am not an expert on clones so I am glad to learn that they won't have the same heart.
Very interesting.
There have been some absolutely AMAZING things done with 3D printing! I think we have a ways to go to develop the correct polymer that the body will "accept" when it comes to tissues but I LOVE the idea! |
|
| |
|
 Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | This is STRICTLY a HYPOTHETICAL question. Say Frenchman's Guy went sterile and they collected off of one of the clones and shipped it as Frenchman's Guy semen---would the reulting foal pass the AQHA DNA Test as being by Frenchman's Guy ?????? Again, I am not suspecting that this has happened---just had me wondering. |
|
| |
|
 Expert
Posts: 2097
Location: Deep South | Mighty Broke - 2014-11-20 8:41 AM
This is STRICTLY a HYPOTHETICAL question. Say Frenchman's Guy went sterile and they collected off of one of the clones and shipped it as Frenchman's Guy semen---would the reulting foal pass the AQHA DNA Test as being by Frenchman's Guy ?????? Again, I am not suspecting that this has happened---just had me wondering.
In my opinion, AQHA does not have the technology to differentiate between the two. So I would say, yes, it would pass the DNA test. |
|
| |
|
 Hugs to You
Posts: 7551
Location: In The Land of Cotton | Mighty Broke - 2014-11-20 9:41 AM This is STRICTLY a HYPOTHETICAL question. Say Frenchman's Guy went sterile and they collected off of one of the clones and shipped it as Frenchman's Guy semen---would the reulting foal pass the AQHA DNA Test as being by Frenchman's Guy ?????? Again, I am not suspecting that this has happened---just had me wondering.
At this point in time - yes the AQHA can't tell a difference with the tests they use. |
|
| |
|
 Neat Freak
Posts: 11216
Location: Wonderful Wyoming | and that is one of the reasons some people have written off any bloodlines that have been cloned. |
|
| |
Folks on-line