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Location: Here | Murphy - 2014-12-06 7:49 PM Lookin For Diamonds - 2014-12-06 8:10 PM Are we talking own sons and daughters... or grandget? Grandget.
There are a lot more variable in grand jet. I always figure when someone ask about a sire it is a own get.... A lot of grandget are out of hot dams... So hard to judge that |
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Location: California | Haven't owned one personally, but my friend has had quite a few, and they weren't her cup of tea. and this is a real hand around horses, not a blow them up for the sake of a buck type. She has steered clear since. IMO, we are all imperfect. I have a hard time willingly buying/taking on a horse that is a "be careful how you train" because they aren't forgiving. There are some GREAT ones out there, but like with anything, you take a chance until you get to know the indivdual horse. |
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| turnedout - 2014-12-07 7:37 PM I don't know the true diagnosis for all of them unfortunately, but my cousin had 2 with sticky stifles and 1 with cysts. The one thing I've noticed with the DTF line is their height. These 3 were all 16 hands at 2 y/o. Wonder if their height and large bone set plays into the soundness issues?
You can't just blame that on dtf it could be the mare or nutrition also |
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| aqhabarrelchic1 - 2014-12-06 11:28 PM
turnedout - 2014-12-07 7:37 PM I don't know the true diagnosis for all of them unfortunately, but my cousin had 2 with sticky stifles and 1 with cysts. The one thing I've noticed with the DTF line is their height. These 3 were all 16 hands at 2 y/o. Wonder if their height and large bone set plays into the soundness issues?
You can't just blame that on dtf it could be the mare or nutrition also
Not saying it is guarantee and thats what the DTF passes. Just saying in my experience, 3 different mares +DTF stud = 3 stifle issues. |
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Location: Here | aqhabarrelchic1 - 2014-12-06 11:28 PM turnedout - 2014-12-07 7:37 PM I don't know the true diagnosis for all of them unfortunately, but my cousin had 2 with sticky stifles and 1 with cysts. The one thing I've noticed with the DTF line is their height. These 3 were all 16 hands at 2 y/o. Wonder if their height and large bone set plays into the soundness issues? You can't just blame that on dtf it could be the mare or nutrition also
I agree Nutrition is a huge key with these bigger framed hard working horses. |
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Location: Texas | cysts are just as much a management problem as they are potentially genetic. mare nutrition while she is pregnant is huge, as well as foal nutrition (excesses or deficiencies of nutrients are just as significant), as well as foal exercise. There are so many factors before the horse is even 2 years old that will predetermine the health of their bones and joints. as far as sticky stifles go- that is also just as much a fitness problem as it can be genetic. We have had horses who were totally normal get stifles to stick after time off due to loss in muscle tone. Especially after a procedure or stall rest.
I had someone tell me once that FGs threw OCDs and for a short time I fell for it but honestly, OCDs are multifactorial... can be just as much a man made problem as it predisposed genetically. Anything developmental has a huge nutritional and physiologic component to it. |
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Location: Here | casualdust07 - 2014-12-07 10:17 AM cysts are just as much a management problem as they are potentially genetic. mare nutrition while she is pregnant is huge, as well as foal nutrition (excesses or deficiencies of nutrients are just as significant), as well as foal exercise. There are so many factors before the horse is even 2 years old that will predetermine the health of their bones and joints. as far as sticky stifles go- that is also just as much a fitness problem as it can be genetic. We have had horses who were totally normal get stifles to stick after time off due to loss in muscle tone. Especially after a procedure or stall rest. I had someone tell me once that FGs threw OCDs and for a short time I fell for it but honestly, OCDs are multifactorial... can be just as much a man made problem as it predisposed genetically. Anything developmental has a huge nutritional and physiologic component to it.
Exactly And pasture raised with free exercise with ANY bloodline in a foal is in important. To blame a blood line is just wrong. As far as chipping on the track... Hello lots of "bloodlines" chip. You know why? Lots of variables, the horse wasn't physically developed yet to run and train that hard, Nutrition, raising environment. There is documentation regarding stall raised with walker vs pasture raised to show stall raised has high risks of skeletal problems. |
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Location: Here | One last thought and I will hush... Hot? well hello these are running bloodlines. The industry is demanding faster quicker turns. More and more race blood is becoming the standard in barrel "Racing"... If you are looking for a 3D 4D horse then you might want to stay clear of running bloodlines... |
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| SG. - 2014-12-07 11:30 AM
One last thought and I will hush... Hot? well hello these are running bloodlines. The industry is demanding faster quicker turns. More and more race blood is becoming the standard in barrel "Racing"... If you are looking for a 3D 4D horse then you might want to stay clear of running bloodlines...
The hottest horses I've ever been on were the cutters I used to ride.
After reading this thread, if there weren't tons of evidence to the contrary you'd think DTF threw a psycho cripple LOL. I'm excited to see my chromed out red baby arrive in March! |
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Location: Okemah,OK | I have 2 DTF's, a 2 year old gelding (the one in my avatar) & a yearling filly (out of the yellow mares daughter). The gelding is very laid back, smart (but not too smart) & people friendly. The filly was pretty touchy as a baby but we put her in with one of our ranch type horses and she's really calmed down and come around. I have no doubt she's gonna be hotter and a little more work than the gelding but they're both pretty nice to be around. She just took more time whereas he was born that way. |
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Location: Denver, but a Nebraska native -- GO BIG RED!!! | What is OCD? |
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Location: IN | My best friend have a filly grow too fast. She was on stall rest for a year. And couldn't do anything with her till she was 5. She's an amazing horse now! |
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Location: Kentucky | kuhlmann - 2014-12-07 8:55 PM SG. - 2014-12-07 11:30 AM One last thought and I will hush... Hot? well hello these are running bloodlines. The industry is demanding faster quicker turns. More and more race blood is becoming the standard in barrel "Racing"... If you are looking for a 3D 4D horse then you might want to stay clear of running bloodlines...
After reading this thread, if there weren't tons of evidence to the contrary you'd think DTF threw a psycho cripple LOL. I'm excited to see my chromed out red baby arrive in March!
That's what I'm thinking too. Too many people have them and too many have seen success to be dealing with cripple psychos, lol.
I am heavily considering breeding my mare to a son of DTF, and that line really hasn't made it's way in my area yet so I haven't really seen many run in person.
Thanks to everyone for their opinions and experiences! |
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| Look at it like this. There are department store Santas and then the big man himself. We all know the department store ones have a large degree of variability. The big man though, he is legendary.
I bred to the big man. If I were to go to a department store I'd just make sure he had a real beard and no padding in the suit.
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Location: Texas | kuhlmann - 2014-12-08 7:55 AM
Look at it like this. There are department store Santas and then the big man himself. We all know the department store ones have a large degree of variability. The big man though, he is legendary.
I bred to the big man. If I were to go to a department store I'd just make sure he had a real beard and no padding in the suit.
I swear I haven't been drinking this morning LOL!
you just made my day before my pathology final exam. Thank you :) BTHO Path! |
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Location: In a happy place | kuhlmann - 2014-12-07 7:55 PM SG. - 2014-12-07 11:30 AM One last thought and I will hush... Hot? well hello these are running bloodlines. The industry is demanding faster quicker turns. More and more race blood is becoming the standard in barrel "Racing"... If you are looking for a 3D 4D horse then you might want to stay clear of running bloodlines...
After reading this thread, if there weren't tons of evidence to the contrary you'd think DTF threw a psycho cripple LOL. I'm excited to see my chromed out red baby arrive in March!
I agree with the cutters. They can be really hot. |
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Location: Kentucky | kuhlmann - 2014-12-08 8:55 AM Look at it like this. There are department store Santas and then the big man himself. We all know the department store ones have a large degree of variability. The big man though, he is legendary.
I bred to the big man. If I were to go to a department store I'd just make sure he had a real beard and no padding in the suit.
I swear I haven't been drinking this morning LOL!
I wish I had the budget for the "big man breeding" haha! If I did, that's what I would do, no question. |
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Location: Online | Never owned one, never will, unless I got one to start and flip because people will buy them just because of the DTF. They are fragile. I have many friends who train and run them. Every one of them has some sort of soundness issue. It's rare that they make it through a whole year without having some issue that causes them to have months off. Usually it's in the back end. Yes, they are fast and come along fast, but I think that may be the reason for the soundness. Too much too soon? Hard to say. But you rarely see one compete consistently for more than a couple of years.
Yes there are some older DTF's that are still running, but they have had their share of time off due to soundness. |
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