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| Someone informed me the breeder won't be able to file any more breeding reports, not sure if this is true or not.
I offered to pay for the breeding report and late fee. The $200 is just pretty much to bribe me if I want the papers signed. I fully paid for the bred mare in cash the day I picked her up. Got the mares papers signed over to me and got the future foals papers signed.
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Location: KS | I just went through this. This is what AQHA told me to do and this is what I did... Long story short, the stallion owner was a huge liar and I let things drag on almost up to my colts 7 month birthdate. I didn't want to pay larger fee's to get him registered so I called AQHA... And was informed there hadn't been a breeding report filled on the stallion in 3 yrs, let alone for my breeding yr.So... What they told me to do was begin a foal registration ONLINE. Full it all out, pay for it and submit it. It will go on file and remain on record for that date so even if actual registration doesn't take place till 6 months later you are locked in at that lower fee. Then, they will know that they don't have any record of a breeders report for that stallion and they will send the owner a letter requesting that they fill out the necessary paperwork or contact them with a reason as to why they refuse. They will send you a CC of all letters they send to the stallion owner. They send 2 letters asking for either the stallion breeding report or for the owner to sign a "make shift" breeders cert for that specific foal. If the stallion owner refuses to comply and doesn't contact them back with a reason, AQHA will then send them a suspension letter and they will be suspended from AQHA activities until they do. This includes any paperwork such as transfers, reports, showing, points, etc. Once the owner is under suspension I believe you do have the option to DNA the foal and prove parentage and they will in fact register them. I got to the suspension letter part. |
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| Grippen N Rippen - 2014-12-10 10:48 PM
I just went through this. This is what AQHA told me to do and this is what I did... Long story short, the stallion owner was a huge liar and I let things drag on almost up to my colts 7 month birthdate. I didn't want to pay larger fee's to get him registered so I called AQHA... And was informed there hadn't been a breeding report filled on the stallion in 3 yrs, let alone for my breeding yr.So... What they told me to do was begin a foal registration ONLINE. Full it all out, pay for it and submit it. It will go on file and remain on record for that date so even if actual registration doesn't take place till 6 months later you are locked in at that lower fee. Then, they will know that they don't have any record of a breeders report for that stallion and they will send the owner a letter requesting that they fill out the necessary paperwork or contact them with a reason as to why they refuse. They will send you a CC of all letters they send to the stallion owner. They send 2 letters asking for either the stallion breeding report or for the owner to sign a "make shift" breeders cert for that specific foal. If the stallion owner refuses to comply and doesn't contact them back with a reason, AQHA will then send them a suspension letter and they will be suspended from AQHA activities until they do. This includes any paperwork such as transfers, reports, showing, points, etc. Once the owner is under suspension I believe you do have the option to DNA the foal and prove parentage and they will in fact register them. I got to the suspension letter part.
This is great info thank you. I thought it was something like this. I will have to call tomorrow to see if the stallion had a DNA test done. Know the mare has one. I would rather pay for the DNA test then give this greedy lady my money. Fingers crossed. |
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Location: KS | If he has any other registered foals at all he HAS to be DNA'd. Good luck! I did keep in contact with AQHA through most of my ordeal. They were actually very helpful. |
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| Oh no :( I went through this last year, it is not fun! It took me about 7 months of hell to finally get my colt registered. Same situation as yours, a divorce which caused the stud to be sold and the breeding business to completely close. I contacted the wife first and she completely blew me off. Next I worked on the husband, he remembered my colt and mare. Asked him to send in the breeding report and get all the paperwork in order, but of course that was too hard. I was in contact with AQHA regularly who helped as much as they could. The husband refused to pay any fees. So unfortunately I was stuck with the stallion report fees, the required DNA test, and late registration fees. After it was all said and done, I filed a complaint with AQHA. They told me they keep record of issues with breeders for a certain amount of time. Not sure what good it is, but I figured I'd do it anyways.
I'm sorry you are dealing with this! It really is a pain.  |
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| turnedout - 2014-12-10 11:22 PM
Oh no : ( I went through this last year, it is not fun! It took me about 7 months of hell to finally get my colt registered. Same situation as yours, a divorce which caused the stud to be sold and the breeding business to completely close. I contacted the wife first and she completely blew me off. Next I worked on the husband, he remembered my colt and mare. Asked him to send in the breeding report and get all the paperwork in order, but of course that was too hard. I was in contact with AQHA regularly who helped as much as they could. The husband refused to pay any fees. So unfortunately I was stuck with the stallion report fees, the required DNA test, and late registration fees. After it was all said and done, I filed a complaint with AQHA. They told me they keep record of issues with breeders for a certain amount of time. Not sure what good it is, but I figured I'd do it anyways.
I'm sorry you are dealing with this! It really is a pain.
Do you know if i am able to register a foal with just parentage verification and no breeding report? I owned the mare when the foal was born and have signed registration papers... |
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Location: KS | They told me as soon as they reached and completed the suspension process with the stallion owner, I would be able to DNA my colt and get him registered without the breeders cert AS LONG AS BOTH PARENTS HAD BEEN DNA'D. But keep in mind in my situation we reached the suspension step because the stallion owner in my situation refused to acknowledge or respond to any correspondence from me or AQHA until threatened with suspension. At that point he decided to just sign the paper and comply and all was well. No one ever figured out what the problem was, although I have my own suspicions. I don't know how it would work if the stallion owner called AQHA back and said "I'm mad about how my horse sold so I refuse to sign". I'm not sure if that'd be considered a plausible excuse for refusing to sign a cert or not. Granted it's a crap one IMO. On the other hand, they may get the letter and decide they don't want to get caught up in that mess and just sign it. Might work in your favor especially if either of them still deal in the horse business much. One way or the other, if you go this r route, they either sign the paper and you get your colt registered, or they ignore everything and get put on suspension and you can register him anyway, or they acknowledge the letter and they have to speak with AQHA about why they refuse if that's what they decide to stay with. That's why I'd keep in contact with AQHA about the situation. |
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| All the stallion owners have to say is the mare was sold as open (they didn't know she was in foal) and the breeding report was fabricated.
Then aqha will be investigating you.
It all comes down to he said she said |
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Location: KS | Until the foal DNAs to their stallion. |
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Location: KS | Also... You can still DNA the colt even if they refuse to sign the cert. AQHA was going to allow me to purchase the kit and send it in for results as we were waiting for a response from the stallion owner. At least that's what they told me. I didn't end up needing to do that but would have because I could have at least proven his parentage even though I may or may not have actually gotten papers in the end. Moral of the story, call AQHA and talk with the registration department. |
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| Grippen N Rippen - 2014-12-11 12:20 AM
Until the foal DNAs to their stallion.
Not exactly as I do know one case where a mare was sold as vet said she was open
10 months later foal appears stallion owner will not sign breeding certificate as now owner of mare did not pay stud fee
If Aqha starts doing this I know a stallion breeding station that would breed mares under the table no stud fees paid to stallion owners. If DNA is allowed why go the legit way when you can be dishonest pay an employee a portion of the fee and still get a registered foal |
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Location: SE KS | cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 12:06 AM
All the stallion owners have to say is the mare was sold as open (they didn't know she was in foal) and the breeding report was fabricated.
Then aqha will be investigating you.
It all comes down to he said she said
True, however, after the DNA matches & it is shows said breeder lied............ |
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Location: KS | Did no one read the part where I said the purpose of AQHA contacting the stallion owner is to get their side of the story? And if the stallion owner responds and satisfies AQHA's inquiry as to why a breeders report was not filed then the person with the foal will ultimately have to work it out with the stallion owner or not get the foal registered. HOWEVER if the stallion owner DOES NOT satisfy AQHA or does not even respond as in MY case, then they will be put on suspension through AQHA and the registration process will be pushed through pending DNA verification. If the stallion owners don't like that rule then they need to correspond with AQHAs request for information. Suspension means no more ANYTHING done through AQHA until they get back in contact with AQHA and provides them with the information they wanted in the first place. In this case... Where the lady doesn't want to sign the breeders cert because she's mad about how the mare sold through the sale... I think it'd be worth talking to AQHA about. Especially if it the mare sold through the sale as in foal...which I didn't read if she was or not...
Edited by Grippen N Rippen 2014-12-11 9:38 AM
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Location: KS | And ya, I suppose you could go "under the table" and still get register foals by unreputable breeders doing it this way, but these breeder's will be on suspension and can't do ANYTHING through AQHA. Not even a simple transfer. And while this might sound simple to do to get a foal registered let me tell you IT IS NOT. It is a PITA. And the process took almost 6 months. I'm just telling the OP that there is a way around unscrupulous breeders if absolutely need be. |
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| She wouldn't be able to get away saying she didn't know the mare was bred because I had her sign the registration for the foal. I talked to AQHA and at the lady I talked to said DNA can't take place of paperwork. :( |
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Location: KS | Did you talk to the registration department? |
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Location: KS | You can't just DNA a foal and get it registered. You will have to start the registration process via online new foal registration and then go through the whole process of them requesting correspondence from the stallion owner. It's a long process. Made me mad, but I was finally able to get mine registered. |
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| lhighquality - 2014-12-11 8:40 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-12-11 12:06 AM
All the stallion owners have to say is the mare was sold as open (they didn't know she was in foal) and the breeding report was fabricated.
Then aqha will be investigating you.
It all comes down to he said she said
True, however, after the DNA matches & it is shows said breeder lied............
Not necessarily as the can plead ignorance.
If the people are not honest people if they want to they can can come up with a believable excuse |
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| I have that all submitted and they have tried contacting her. So i guess I'm on the right path. I will keep you up to date. Thanks!! |
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| cn1705 - 2014-12-11 9:53 AM
She wouldn't be able to get away saying she didn't know the mare was bred because I had her sign the registration for the foal. I talked to AQHA and at the lady I talked to said DNA can't take place of paperwork. :(
Generally the breeding reports come from AQHA already have the names of both sure and dam inserted via computer.
A hand written breeding certificate could be the first warning sign something is not right or the paperwork is not in order |
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