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Location: Kentucky | lookout hill - 2014-12-11 10:44 AM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-12-11 8:42 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2014-12-11 8:28 AM SG. - 2014-12-11 8:14 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2014-12-11 8:12 AM Ms. Linda, I'm with you. I started shaking when my "unconscious me" realized the ground was shifty top with hard pan again. The only one I didn't worry about was Nancy as Fred works those horses on every conceivable dirt there is to prep them for rodeos. A young lady in our area blows us away on hard trashy ground thanks to Fred's tactics. Love his training. Fuzz has an amazing dirt aptitude!
Now, will you not be able to watch next year when your gal Kelly is running? Would you look into your looking glass and tell me if I'm ever going to run on that crap? Thanks for that insight My heart goes out to these women
She said this last night:
Barrel racer Lisa Lockhart, who won Round 2, took another victory lap after she won the event with a time of 13.73 seconds, the second fastest time at this year's WNFR. Lockhart was the first to compete in the event, and said it was beneficial.
"I do think running at the top helped some tonight," she said. "It did seem that some of the horses were struggling a bit, so being first proved to be the time to ride smart and take advantage of that position."
Fallon Taylor, who took second, leads the world standings with $218,821 - that's $26,558 more than Lockhart. Taylor leads the average with a time of 103.08 seconds, just .06 ahead of Lockhart. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | lookout hill - 2014-12-11 9:44 AM sorrel horse ranch - 2014-12-11 8:42 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2014-12-11 8:28 AM SG. - 2014-12-11 8:14 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2014-12-11 8:12 AM Ms. Linda, I'm with you. I started shaking when my "unconscious me" realized the ground was shifty top with hard pan again. The only one I didn't worry about was Nancy as Fred works those horses on every conceivable dirt there is to prep them for rodeos. A young lady in our area blows us away on hard trashy ground thanks to Fred's tactics. Love his training. Fuzz has an amazing dirt aptitude!
Now, will you not be able to watch next year when your gal Kelly is running? Would you look into your looking glass and tell me if I'm ever going to run on that crap? Thanks for that insight My heart goes out to these women
Well said Lookout. We're praying in our home for riders and horses. |
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 Miss Laundry Misshap
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| Not only did the barrel horses slip, but one of the bareback horses went down again last night too.
I'm sorry, but when those ranch roaming, super sure footed animals go down....There is a MAJOR problem. |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | Nateracer - 2014-12-11 9:08 AM Not only did the barrel horses slip, but one of the bareback horses went down again last night too.
I'm sorry, but when those ranch roaming, super sure footed animals go down....There is a MAJOR problem.
I also noticed the steer wrestlers had footing troubles last night. Several were drug around because they couldn't get a solid plant in the ground. |
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Location: MS | I'm very disappointed in the barrel racing this year because the ground is so bad. It scares me to watch it. I'm not nearly as excited as usual because I'm so worried one these amazing animals or riders are going to get seriously injured. This is the NFR not some annual rodeo in the disk up infield of a race track (like one local PRCA rode we have here). The contestants should not have to worry about the ground conditions.
I feel sorry for all of them but especially for the newbies. I know I always wonder what my horse would clock in the Thomas & Mack just out of curiosity (and we would not clock anywhere near any of these horses). I figure these girls came in thinking the same, even wondering if they could break the arena record, and now they have no idea how their horses would really clock because of the ground. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Does anybody have a link to last nights video? |
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Water Weight Barbie
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Location: Oz, Kansas | Here are times from round 7 from 2013 & round 7 2014.
1 Taylor JacobCarmine, Texas13.47$18,629.81
2 Michele McLeodWhitesboro, Texas13.48$14,723.56
3Mary WalkerEnnis, Texas13.54$11,117.79
4Trula ChurchillValentine, Neb.13.67$7,812.50
5Sherry CerviMarana, Ariz.13.72$4,807.69
6Lisa LockhartOelrichs, S.D.13.83$3,004.81
2014
1Lisa LockhartOelrichs, S.D.13.73$19,002.40
2Fallon TaylorWhitesboro, Texas13.89$15,018.03
3Carlee PierceStephenville, Texas14.04$11,340.14
4Nancy HunterNeola, Utah14.08$7,968.75
5Michele McLeodWhitesboro, Texas14.11$4,903.85
6Jana BeanFt. Hancock, Texas14.14$3,064.90 |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-12-11 7:48 AM
Hat's off to Nancy hunter and that sorrel, he did a great job being last!
He is my favorite and Louie! I would take that big sorrel in a heart beat! |
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| Blueridgedreaming - 2014-12-11 10:59 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-12-11 7:48 AM
Hat's off to Nancy hunter and that sorrel, he did a great job being last!
He is my favorite and Louie! I would take that big sorrel in a heart beat!
I agree!! I think he needs a little bit more aggressive riding by her and they would be placing every round. |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| I am BEYOND disgusted. This is like going to the World Series and not having the baselines drawn on the field. As I said before, with the American now, the NFR might not look as appetizing. I would be scared to DEATH to run my horse there and he runs straight up and down like Nancy Hunter's horse does. I'm sure they are all insured but boy, what a way to RUIN a priceless horse. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | No, it hasn’t been good, and is frustrating for everyone. But, they aren’t giving up on getting it right.
They are trying to get the ground the best they can. They are not just smoothing it out before each perf and saying to hell with it. They are not trying to ruin the NFR for anyone.
The ground is different this year. They added more sand again, trying to make it even better. It has also been warmer in Las Vegas this year than in the past. Last weekend it was 70 degrees. Ground is going to dry out faster.
There is a fine line they have to find between enough and too much water. I keep reading and hearing…they need to get the right amount of water…and use the right equipment.
I’m sure if any of you know what the right amount is, that Shawn D would love for you to tell the grounds crew.
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2014-12-11 11:19 AM No, it hasn’t been good, and is frustrating for everyone. But, they aren’t giving up on getting it right.
They are trying to get the ground the best they can. They are not just smoothing it out before each perf and saying to hell with it. They are not trying to ruin the NFR for anyone.
The ground is different this year. They added more sand again, trying to make it even better. It has also been warmer in Las Vegas this year than in the past. Last weekend it was 70 degrees. Ground is going to dry out faster.
There is a fine line they have to find between enough and too much water. I keep reading and hearing…they need to get the right amount of water…and use the right equipment.
I’m sure if any of you know what the right amount is, that Shawn D would love for you to tell the grounds crew.
I think the D & G crew could tell them EXACTLY what the RIGHT amount and the RIGHT equipment is! Bottom line, this is THE NFR and the gound is a pathetic crying shame - they ought to have the people who KNOW how to work ground there from the get go and not try to "experiment" the whole 10 rounds. |
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Location: MI | ThreeCorners - 2014-12-11 11:39 AM Does anybody have a link to last nights video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBLIausJLn8
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Wishing I were a Wildcat
Location: 'Hawk Country | Griz - 2014-12-11 11:28 AM .
I think the D & G crew could tell them EXACTLY what the RIGHT amount and the RIGHT equipment is! Bottom line, this is THE NFR and the gound is a pathetic crying shame - they ought to have the people who KNOW how to work ground there from the get go and not try to "experiment" the whole 10 rounds.
You are right, the D&G crew probably could get dang close one day, then for sure the next. Wish they could be there to ask.
The girls were asked after the first round what they wanted done. So, they aren't just doing what they feel. They are willing to listen and try.
That's all I was trying to say.
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| lookout hill - 2014-12-11 9:37 AM I just have to say that I am super impressed with Carlee's young'uns. They are going to be superstars and earn her trip back next year.
I agree!!!! Those young'en look awesome out there! She should be dang proud! |
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Location: Northeast SD | I'd be so darn scared if I had to run on that crap! Especially Lisa with Louie sitting out the whole year and coming back for this rodeo only to be running on crap ground and risking injuring himself again! |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2014-12-11 11:54 AM Griz - 2014-12-11 11:28 AM .
I think the D & G crew could tell them EXACTLY what the RIGHT amount and the RIGHT equipment is! Bottom line, this is THE NFR and the gound is a pathetic crying shame - they ought to have the people who KNOW how to work ground there from the get go and not try to "experiment" the whole 10 rounds.
The girls were asked after the first round what they wanted done. So, they aren't just doing what they feel. They are willing to listen and try.
That's all I was trying to say.
Oh gosh yeah, I wish they were there too - I totally get what you meant - I shouldn't have SCREAMED in caps - LOL. This is just so maddening! I would just be heartbroken to make it that far and have to deal with that - I really feel for those girls, it's not like they can draw out. |
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I just read the headlines
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| Still the fact of the matter is, it should be a standard practice to have a knowledgeable ground crew there to take care of the ground every year. If it is, then this year's crew should not be used next year. I don't think there is any excuse for this bad ground at the NFR. |
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| Should the ground be better? Yes.
Is it as simple as bringing in the "best ground" winner in? Absofreakinglutely NOT!
There is a tremendous difference in perfecting ground in a permanent pen and in a building not built and never meant to have a rodeo. I have run many a hockey arena and basketball court. I have also worked for an outfit who put on a major indoor winter rodeo at outfit paid a guy year round to obtain ground for his winter rodeos, so I have some idea as to what it takes.
IMHO, if they brought in MORE sand in an attempt to improve the ground, that was a mistake. You have to put some type of clay base on the concrete floor in order for the ground not to push away TO the concrete any time a horse/bull is accelerating, turning or stopping. If you put sand on top of clay, then add water, the water tends to go right down to the clay and make a greasy base under the sand. If you don't add other dirt at all, the clays can dry out to be as hard as concrete in a heated building. Add in factors like the moisture content of the ground coming in (if it is not covered for months before being hauled in to the building you can be left with a mucky mess). Also, you have to deal with dirt available locally, which is NOT consistent throughout the country. Then you have the outside temperature. My guess is after the first couple of rounds they tried to address the problem with additional watering and improved the ground....for those days. Now someone said that a cold front came through. So they turn up the heat in the building and the ground dries out faster and more completely. If they add the same amount of water that they did on the days the ground was improved, it is now not enough. Should someone be astute enough to figure that out? Yes, but with thousands of other details to attend to, it can get lost in the shuffle. I don't think anyone deliberately sets out to make the ground bad, especially at the NFR. Not only do you have barrel racers breathing down you neck but all of those stock contractors.
I read a lot of complaints on here about bad ground at rodeos. There is a reason for that. A large number of rodeos are held in facilities that are not meant to house this kind of event. Particularly in the middle of large cities, where the spectator pool is the largest, giving the potential for larger added money. Most those folks are not going to drive out to the boonies to attend a rodeo just because it is a permanent pen. No spectators, no sponsors, no added money. There are those individual contractors out there who could give a rip about the ground, but a GOOD one is concerned about it, if nothing else, than for the safety of his own livestock. And you can bet that it is a topic of conversation at NFR organizational meetings.
I am not excusing the ground ('tho I have seen much, MUCH worse), but think that they are doing the best they can. You can have the greatest ground in the world but if you do not have all the same factors and the same people in charge, the variables and the ground WILL change. It's not as simple as some of you seem to think it is. |
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| FlyingJT - 2014-12-12 10:10 AM Blueridgedreaming - 2014-12-11 10:59 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-12-11 7:48 AM Hat's off to Nancy hunter and that sorrel, he did a great job being last! He is my favorite and Louie! I would take that big sorrel in a heart beat! I agree!! I think he needs a little bit more aggressive riding by her and they would be placing every round.
Sometimes you take the health of your horse before the win!! Nancy is smart and is riding correct. Yes she could win more money, but she could also have a career end to Fuzz if she rode stupid. Nancy Hunter knows what she is doing, give her a little more credit!! She obviously knows how to ride or she wouldnt be there!! |
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