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Location: Where I am happiest | SKM - 2014-12-11 9:43 AM The two that made the big bucks at Houston and Calgary were Kaley and Nancy. Kaley has qualified for the NFR 3 years now. Nancy is clocking great times and she did very well at the rodeos she did go to. Do you honestly believe they shouldn't be there because if so, I have to question if you are watching the same rodeo I am. I don't agree with Houston and Calgary counting. But to say anyone there at the NFR doesn't deserve to be there is crazy. I say that anyone there deserves to live that dream.
Exactly! Nancy would have won 3 rounds if it werent for hit barrels. Just wait for next year when the added $4 mil kicks in! It will pay $28,000 to win a round and the average will pay $80,000. You wont have to use your horse up during the regular season. Just go to enough to secure your spot because if you have a horse that likes that building, you could go in at 15th and come out with the title. Sure will make for a even more exciting finals.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now.  Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA
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Location: Duvall, WA | I kind of feel the exact opposite--I'm always impressed with those who made it going to the fewest rodeos. Do you think the person with three different rigs and horses going to every rodeo there is is really more talented than the one who can go out there and win a few of the really big ones? Seems like a much nicer life for both horse and rider to me. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | There is a reason individuals get that all important "invite" to the big money shows. |
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| 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:29 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now. Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA
Well its coming (I hope) and the American is opening up the door. Oh I want to say sooooo much more but I'll be good and sit on my hands so this thread stays around.... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Personally, I don't think ANY money won at ANY "invitational" should count. And the WPRA screwed their members by allowing that to happen. That being said to say that any of the ladies there at the NFR don't "deserve" to be there is asinine. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 12:14 PM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:29 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now. Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA Well its coming (I hope ) and the American is opening up the door. Oh I want to say sooooo much more but I'll be good and sit on my hands so this thread stays around....
I can't agree with you on this one - it is Women's Pro Rodeo and in my opinion men should not be allowed. Not at the NFR, not at the Houston, not at Calgary, not at any all women's barrel race.
However, the American, etc., any other barrel race where it is not a women's organization - have at it. Lots of talented individuals at both. |
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Location: The stix of Utah | You also have to keep in mind that while $50,000 is a ton of money to win at one rodeo it took a lot more than that to qualify in 15th place let alone 4th where Nancy was. She more than earned her place at the NFR this year. She definitely worked smarter, not harder. |
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| I don't really see much difference in the invitational rodeos vs. the big rodeos that only accept a certain number of top-ranked girls, or even card-only rodeos. Yes they all do disadvantage the new members trying to fill a permit and climb the ladder, but you have to let the committees run their rodeo in the way that will make them the most profitable and allow for all the added money. A point system would be terrible. It would just make it more of a trailer race and those who can afford to go to more rodeos will have an extreme advantage. I love the ladies who can make it in just a few rodeos. And who is to say that if Nancy wouldn't have entered 100 rodeos in 100 different set-ups she wouldn't have placed at almost all of them and been #1 coming into the world. Some people don't want to be on the road 50 weeks of the year. I love the American and the possibilities it brings. Look at Richie Champion. I don't know his story, but it seems like he may have not had the opportunities to really "go" until he only had to haul 3 weekends all last year to win a million. Now he has the funds, publicity, support, you name it.... and here he is at the NFR the next year and winning rounds. Coincidence? Doubtful. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 12:14 PM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:29 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now. Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA Well its coming (I hope ) and the American is opening up the door. Oh I want to say sooooo much more but I'll be good and sit on my hands so this thread stays around....
However, the American, etc., any other barrel race where it is not a women's organization - have at it. Lots of talented individuals at both. Â
Getting a little off track here but I'm curious...
Are women permitted to compete in any of the other events in professional rodeo? Is it prohibited or just not traditionally done?
I could exercise my google talents...but you all likely know.
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| All that I know is if I could just GET to Thomas and Mack, I believe that I could give them a run for their money in that small pen on that ground. 13 seconds and under is my comfort zone (and the T&M would be a 12 sec or faster if the timer line was farther in the arena and no ramp to stop on), lol, and I seem to find horses that work in them and on crap ground. However not many big, qualifying rodeos are held in those conditions and they are all far, far away. Heck almost all PRCA/WPRA rodeos are a long way away these days around here. To qualify in this circuit you would be hauling a minimum of 500 miles one way to get to one rodeo. Sigh...
Now on as standard pattern (which I have rarely run on, the pens are just not that big around here) I get lost. Not only lost, but out of breath before I get to the 3rd barrel.  And nice groomed ground? My horses seem to get buried in it.....so I guess that there is no Thomas and Mack in MY future.
I agree that the invitational rodeos counting is going to make getting to the NFR more and more rarified. It will mostly take big money to buy horses, rigs fuel, etc. just to try and qualify without those invitational rodeo opportunities. One of the things I have always liked about rodeo is that the little guy can show up and if he/she outruns or outrides the rest, they can win. But if they don't get the opportunity to compete in the first place, the chance of them getting there is greatly reduced. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM
All that I know is if I could just GET to Thomas and Mack, I believe that I could give them a run for their money in that small pen on that ground. 13 seconds and under is my comfort zone (and the T&M would be a 12 sec or faster if the timer line was farther in the arena and no ramp to stop on ), lol, and I seem to find horses that work in them and on crap ground. However not many big, qualifying rodeos are held in those conditions and they are all far, far away. Heck almost all PRCA/WPRA rodeos are a long way away these days around here. To qualify in this circuit you would be hauling a minimum of 500 miles one way to get to one rodeo. Sigh...
Now on as standard pattern (which I have rarely run on, the pens are just not that big around here ) I get lost. Not only lost, but out of breath before I get to the 3rd barrel. And nice groomed ground? My horses seem to get buried in it.....so I guess that there is no Thomas and Mack in MY future.
I agree that the invitational rodeos counting is going to make getting to the NFR more and more rarified. It will mostly take big money to buy horses, rigs fuel, etc. just to try and qualify without those invitational rodeo opportunities. One of the things I have always liked about rodeo is that the little guy can show up and if he/she outruns or outrides the rest, they can win. But if they don't get the opportunity to compete in the first place, the chance of them getting there is greatly reduced.
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:18 PM
rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM
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Well, you aren't my Mom afterall........ : (
Sorry?
Methinks that you should be relieved. I don't think anybody wants me to be their momma....well except my furbabies and ponies. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:58 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:18 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM . Well, you aren't my Mom afterall........ : ( Sorry? Methinks that you should be relieved. I don't think anybody wants me to be their momma....well except my furbabies and ponies.
Depends....do you have a trailer with sleeping quarters, fridge and are going to the LG Sale??? |
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| TrailGirl - 2014-12-11 11:48 AM
3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM
astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 12:14 PM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:29 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:24 AM 3canstorun - 2014-12-11 11:23 AM astreakinchic - 2014-12-11 11:20 AM I'll open another can of worms. They should let ALL slot race and futurity/derby money count, since we are letting some open 4Ds count now. Correct only the 1D money counts. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure RP was pushing for this and it is one of the many reasons she stepped down as director of the futurity and derby program for the WPRA Well its coming (I hope ) and the American is opening up the door. Oh I want to say sooooo much more but I'll be good and sit on my hands so this thread stays around....
However, the American, etc., any other barrel race where it is not a women's organization - have at it. Lots of talented individuals at both. Â
Getting a little off track here but I'm curious...
Are women permitted to compete in any of the other events in professional rodeo? Is it prohibited or just not traditionally done?
I could exercise my google talents...but you all likely know.
PRCA events only require that you have a permit or card and be 18. They do not state one sex in their rules. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:59 PM
rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:58 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:18 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM . Well, you aren't my Mom afterall........ : ( Sorry? Methinks that you should be relieved. I don't think anybody wants me to be their momma....well except my furbabies and ponies.
Let's see.....my LQ is a 22 inch short wall WITH the tack inside. I do have a cooler that I can plug in, not very big though. Will that do?
I am not going to the LG sale (keep repeating to myself need anymore horse....)"
Heeeeeyyyyy, how old do I have to be to be your mom anyways? However old, I am NOT that old (I keep repeating to myself, "I am not that old, I am NOT that old....."). |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:22 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:59 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:58 PM LRQHS - 2014-12-11 12:18 PM rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 12:16 PM . Well, you aren't my Mom afterall........ : ( Sorry? Methinks that you should be relieved. I don't think anybody wants me to be their momma....well except my furbabies and ponies. Let's see.....my LQ is a 22 inch short wall WITH the tack inside. I do have a cooler that I can plug in, not very big though. Will that do? I am not going to the LG sale (keep repeating to myself need anymore horse.... )" Heeeeeyyyyy, how old do I have to be to be your mom anyways? However old, I am NOT that old (I keep repeating to myself, "I am not that old, I am NOT that old....." ).
You look ancient in your avatar. Perhaps you should find a younger chicken lol.
And, you're only coming to the sale to give me a place to sleep....I won't let you buy anything. |
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| It would probably be farther to come get you than it would be to go straight to the LG sale, but that would make me a BAAAD mom, wouldn't it? Besides, I know you young lady and you just don't want a place to sleep, you want me to haul horses too!
edited to add: And that was a bad hair day when that pic was taken.
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | Isn't the reason the American got started is because it let the person that can't afford to be on the road all the time have a chance. But I think that if you are going to have invitational events only then they should not qualify for the NFR or the dollars counting towards the NFR should max out at like $25,000 no matter how much you win. I know the ones that get invited deserve it but are we only letting the ones that get invited to the big payout events get an unfair advantage. Last years American proved that their are other horse and riders out there that are just as good as the top pro's but don't have a chance at going to the invitational only rodeos. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeoveteran - 2014-12-11 2:29 PM It would probably be farther to come get you than it would be to go straight to the LG sale, but that would make me a BAAAD mom, wouldn't it? Besides, I know you young lady and you just don't want a place to sleep, you want me to haul horses too!
That is soooo not true, Mom! I have a truck and trailer. Just no sleeping quarters :( That's why I need a sugar daddy or a sweet Mommy :) |
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